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Danielle La Belle
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A message for so/wives and friends of CD's.

Post by Danielle La Belle »

I have given considerable thought to the concept of finding out that someone close to you is a CD. Let’s consider several factors before forming an opinion pro or con.

When someone is born, they are this precious little bundle named “baby” for most involved with the process. Not “baby boy” or “baby girl”, just “our baby.” Immediately following birth, just minutes into this routine, if not fundamental way of arriving here, someone, without warning says, “you have a wonderful baby girl/baby boy.” STOP. From that moment on, this is not just your “baby” any more, the delegate becomes a “boy” or a “girl”. All of this based upon the presence or absence of familiar anatomical characteristics that for the most part are recognized world-wide as the defining moment that we are assigned our birth sex. Not our birth gender, that is, how we think about it but rather what someone else thinks about it.

No one upon arriving casts a vote for anything or than the comfort of mom close by a loud and notorious cry, “I want my mommy” type of cry. Just having been evicted from a warm, comfortable dark place, into the harsh lights and atmosphere of a large sanitary environment, coupled with loud noises and indistinguishable gibberish coming from very large beings. Perhaps that is why we cannot see yet, it would be just to scary for anyone that new to see the surroundings. We are temporarily protected from having to deal with “the world-at-large.”

During the years that follow, no one in their right mind wishes to be anything other than what we appear to be. A boy or a girl. Simple. Life is one on one. Sports activities be it football or chess. Married. Any combination that expresses our humanity and all of it’s complications and complexities. So when we introduce the concept of difference, it just does not play with our way of thinking. If you were taught to think differently from the age of one until 21, you can be sure that this new thinking would then be “your truth” as we call it. “Your truth” is what you think everything is. The room is blue, the room is red. We often demonstrate this by calling 10 people into the room and asking them, “what color is this room?” Providing that they do not have any known visual acuity problems, they for the majority will give the same answer that you gave and all is right with the world as “we know it.”

One if one of those 10 say something different. We immediately turn and point at this person and say, “what’s wrong with you?” Well guess what? The person that you have come to know as a CD person is the 1/10 that sees things differently. If you are going to live 100 years and then die, get your calculator out and tell me what percentage is that if you use the primary number , “infinity” to divide by to get your answer? You say, that cannot be done. Infinity or eternity cannot be measured. You would of course be right. The mathematical answer would be so small that we have no description for so little time percentage. It is trivial.

Some will never get this. They would rather argue and disagree and stammer and stomp but the bottom line is, “what is your truth?” What are you willing to consider as acceptable behavior. Each person in a marriage is part of a legal contract. Setting aside religion for there are so many different concepts we just need to look at civil law. A contract of agreement that each party will participate to the best of their ability. More to the point, “human ability.” Which for the most part is formulated on “our own truth.” I cannot be better than what I believe about myself. Nor am I any worse for it.

Well this is fine so far right? It is yes or no? But, one day, someone threw in a “maybe” and then the entire concept of living became hectic. Thinking about this concept, yes I will do that or no I will not do that or well, maybe, I will or I won’t. Phew! It is enough to give one a major headache. That is what we have come to call sharing, caring, consideration, and perhaps, even, agreeing to disagree or “meeting one half way.”

CD people have a distinct advantage on this subject. They have had time to get accustomed and acquainted with the concept. Some of us for many, many years before telling anyone else. If you have been recently told about this, it is like hearing that someone near and dear just died? You had no idea. No warning. No chance to prepare for the impact. Whack! You were hit with a proverbial pie in the face. Just like that, please accept me as the “girl” that I am sometimes. Phew! I bet that goes down like a giant dry peach pit. It leaves a lump in your throat as a myriad amount of crazy video passes before your mind.
Here is something to consider before passing judgment. Men have been trained to think several things. One is that women should all look like the models they see in magazines and on television. An old song says, “and He (God) rolled up is sleeves and went around picking up clay, just 100 pounds, to make a woman for a man to love”. Ah, hmm, make that more like 150 pounds on average today in the USA. We are bombarded with how a woman should look and act and dress and behave. Women can dress in men’s clothing and we call it a power suit even if it is cut for their figure, that is just a means to excuse the cross dressing factor and the attempt to perhaps compete or dominate. There are many ways that this can all be taken and distorted. Keep your cool folks, this was not to inflame but to provide a concept and a parallel with how we are educated.

Okay, so the bottom line is, “what we think as our truth” is going to be significant in how we react to finding out our sweetheart is CD’ing. Keeping an open mind to something that is “Taboo” in Western society would be like accepting the fact that I go naked on weekends in the public park for some. I am going to get arrested because that is not an acceptable level of behavior in our society. Remember the “10 people in the room” analogy. What answer are you going to get when asking those same 10 people, what they think of you going naked in the public park?

Marriage is a contract and contracts can be broken, dissolved etc. The question is, “whit is your truth” and what have you invested in this marriage or relationship? Can it ever be the same again? Should you really have to adjust your way of thinking just to serve another’s interests? “For richer or poorer, in sickness and in health”, nothing about cross dressing there. Hmmm. The door is wide open for your input!

One last idea! When I dress, I feel like I have just crossed an invisible boundary. I have made it over to the other side of humanity. Whom is to say that I should not have this experience? Remember, only 100 years to experience life as we believe it to be!
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Post by Alexandra »

Danielle, somehow I think "being a naked park weekender" a LOT more acceptable to society than the CD/TG thing. Maybe a 3/10er? Why I'm willing to bet that society as a whole is more willing to accept a known white collar thug into their circles than a CD/TG person. Its amazing to me that otherwise rational people in our society can be conditioned to think being TG/CD is unacceptable behavior.
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Post by Jessie »

:shock: DEEP :shock:

I mean really deep thinking. I for one CD because I like it no other reason no cares about the other 9 people in the room, though I probablywould not be in a room with 9 other people CD at this time, still the idea is really deep and it's a good one I am guessing as some of it is well deep.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

For me, there is something magical if not mystical about crossing over. I discovered this years ago when pursuing my identity through photography. I began to "look" for Danielle La Belle. With each photograph, my art improved and so did Danielle's ability to reach the other side.

There is a curtain, between men and women. Some will say it is for a reason and even add theological musings to further emphasize the idea that we should not tempt fate or breach this curtain of gender.

The miracle of life is that we are living at all. That we arrive here in some form (perhaps) are encased in this body form for a short period and then without warning, (thank goodness) leave or move on (a leap of faith will do here).

I am still looking for Danielle. Every so often in photographic form as I have posted in the "Photo section" I manage to find her. But she can be rather faint at times and I go on another quest, looking behind all of the emotional confines of living to see if she is still here and in what outfit she will appear.

There are several photographs that I have printed and have mounted here in my office. When I look at them, I get a euphoric feeling of kindness, and consideration. As I might from looking at other similar photographs of the female persuasion. Now before you run to your dictionary of terms, one might refer to that as being "narcissistic";

Main Entry: nar·cis·sism
Pronunciation: 'när-s&-"si-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: German Narzissismus, from Narziss Narcissus, from Latin Narcissus
Date: 1822
1 : EGOISM, EGOCENTRISM
2 : love of or sexual desire for one's own body

but I am here to say that it is a more deeper appreciation for my art form than as described above. Think of it this way. Find a photograph from a war scene that is horrible and see how you feel emotionally, then peer at a well done photograph of your enfemme self. Clearly the feelings are not the same and clearly, that person smiling back at you is you in another form. That's it! Another form!

A new born baby after 30 - 90 days, looks up at you smiling and begins to smile back. This reflex is a measurable milestone in the developing human child. We still do this and get this same feeling when we are 100 years old. Providing of course that the specific part of the brain stimulating the response is functioning.

It is hard if not impossible to "hate" or be stressed at a photo of a human smiling back at you, no matter whom that human is. I have been testing this idea for 2 years now and I am not breaking new ground in the world of social science and human behavioral science. This is a well known fact about human behavior.

People that portray the CD personality are just exploring the other side. Women (gg) do this all the time and think nothing of it. I have come to a theory that male CD's have a thicker cortex connection as do women (gg) so that they use both sides of their brain more uniformly than just being "male" alone. "male" alone the connection is much thinner as shown in cat scans and does not permit the high speed communication that occurs within the male CD.

So male-CD people tend to be more brain balanced than if they were just typical "male" only. This is beginning to come to light in the scientific community slowly as funds become more available for study on this subject. There are some in the CD community that prefer the aloofness and actual social outcast branding so they can merely complain and avoid their own shortcomings.

There will be a time when we are more accepted but that time could be rather distant as all good things take time.
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Post by LeftyRainbow(SO) »

Danielle,

Your "maybe" theory and introducing "meeting halfway" in order to coexist peacefully in relationships is very insightful.
My partner and I have had to work on this in some areas of our relationship, ironically, none of them have to do with gender issues as we are in sink in that area. :wink:
The differences we've encountered are surely a clash of our established "truths" that were developed when we were growing up.

Thank you for sharing your feelings and ideas on issues with the forum.
I find it a pleasure to read them !

Lefty

P.S.- Just a foot note to mention that I finally was able to see the Subway commercial during television viewing time with my 12 year old.
When he saw how excited I was to finally see it he exclaimed, " Mom, you've never seen this before? I've seen it a hundred times!" and that was that .
Other peoples gender issues and /or the way society veiws them is the last thing on his mind right now.
My partner and I are raising both of the boys to draw their own conclusions on a personal level with regards to many issues in life and not to let other peoples limitations become their limitations in the way that they think . :wink:
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Post by Danielle La Belle »

Children are not inherently discriminatory about social subjects, i.e., race, gender, and a host of other “learned” attributes of human behavior. I have had the recent opportunity, these past 7 years to study in detail both my grand-daughter and grand-son during the learning process. Living just 5 minutes away has provided me abundant opportunities to observe their mental development. To see up close, with my present frame of mind, the various ways that one can become “jaded” if not down right prejudicial on social behavioral matters.

I am not surprised to hear that [Leftyrainbow]’s son was not miffed over the “Subway” commercial. Children are far more flexible than we give them credit for. It is when they reach their “teen years” that most prejudices develop that they may well carry the rest of their life. That is when “fitting in” seems to become most important. When perhaps for the first time, in our socialization education, we begin to splinter off into “clicks” for security from the otherwise complex adult world that they are preparing to enter.

We first notice the various “tribes” that seem to co-exist. There is the Federal Government tribe, the State Government Tribe, the County Government Tribe. The Legal Tribe and all of it’s sub-tribes, the Medical Tribe and related sub-tribes. So, it is any wonder that our children beginning to notice this adult behavior, adopt their own style of, prejudice and control methods. I myself was in a “click” called the “Group.” Now there was a complicated collection of children! Or so we thought! :lol:

My point today is that, for the most part, we all have opinions as well I admit to having, and we formulated these opinions based on “our truth” as we believe it. Until someone can demonstrate something different for me, my “truth” will not change. It is then that with clearly demonstrated differences that I choose to remain with my “truth” against all scientific proof otherwise, that prejudice takes root. Operating with a “closed mind” policy is akin to what many Countries did over the years with “closed border” policies. No new information coming in that cannot be controlled, and skewed by those in power. Sounds a lot like a “click” to me! :idea:

We must be mindful of this thinking and not become as a “cult” of T* girls, allowing only one way of thinking to exist. Us against them! Rather, it is up to us to be better than they and to show understanding and compassion for our fellow human beings. In all walks of life, we must hold our heads high, demonstrate an intelligent, capable personality, considerate of others and mindful of our special gifts!
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Post by Beauty »

Hey Lefty,

Wow! What a great p.s. :)

That's cool that he said that and was also enlightening. :)

Thank you for sharing that!!! :)

Beauty
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