A question for GGs.

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:34 pm

Hi all,

Since I was born a male the feelings and experiences I get while dressed are obviously from a male point of view.

What I am interested in finding out is how does a real girl/woman feel about things like:-

Uncomfortable bra straps. Do you put up with it or do you just have to get used to them?

Do you wear thongs for the sexy feel of dress material on their bare skin (like I feel)?

Do you enjoy the deliberately tight feel of some outfits or is it worn this way in the name of fashion?

Do you feel different out fits allow you to feel different about yourself? And I am not referring to how a man would feel between being dressed in say work clothes as opposed to a suit and tie.

In short do different clothes do different things to you? (if yes please explain?)

Love Darlene.

Jassmine(SO) · Post by **Jassmine(SO)** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:19 am

Hi Darlene

Uncomfortable bra straps. Do you put up with it or do you just have to get used to them?

I always found bras to be to restrictive, for years I put up with it, and then one day I just decided to say the heck with it and quit wearing them all together. Being an A cup, I really don't need the support from a bra.

Do you wear thongs for the sexy feel of dress material on their bare skin (like I feel)?

Ah, I do indeed wear clothes for the feel of the fabric

I dress for comfort first and foremost and I am very picky as to what fabrics I wear.

Do you enjoy the deliberately tight feel of some outfits or is it worn this way in the name of fashion?

Nope, I don't. I prefer looser fitting garments, again for comfort. Oh, I don't follow fashion

Do you feel different out fits allow you to feel different about yourself?

In short do different clothes do different things to you? (if yes please explain?)

Ah, I would have to answer yes to both. Why??? Hmmmm.....

I have some garments that just make me feel more in touch with the seasons. I have dresses that just make me feel springish...Ummmm...Is that a word. Same goes for the other seasons. Not sure if I can explain it any better. I have a few outfits I wear when I am feeling naughty

Sigh....I could go on a bit but I have to get going....My ferrets are getting restless...

*Hugs & Love*

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:15 am

Thank you for the information Jassmine.

You probably are unable to understand how much that means to me. You have confirmed some of my assumptions, and have given me some things to think about.

Love Darlene.

Virginia · Post by **Virginia** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:06 pm

Hi Sis,
Hope you don't mind my butting in, but I just have to reiterate what we have discussed before. Now I can not address the "uncomfortabel bra" scenerio, but as for the clothes, all I have to do is go out to eat or to a movie or the mall and look at the way GG's dress (Please, no offense Jassmine) -- How do I say this tactfully - 99% seem to dress "comfortably." That includes little if any make-up, unkept hair, jeans, or very loose slacks and some type of oversized pullover. Even younger girls on dates do not seem to put much effort into their appearance any more. I see the new "spring" fashions in the newspaper ads and in magazines and wonder - where will I see those cute, feminine, flowery, skirts and tops on GG's ?? I keep hoping, maybe this spring will bring a resurgeance of feminity, but I guess I am hoping against hope.
Virginia, will continue to dress in her "conseratively sexy" style and I guess if I get called a "slut" I will just live with it. Sorry, I just enjoy looking feminine and to this girl, jeans, and boots and oversized sweatshirts and ratty hair and no make-up - AIN'T FEMININE!!!!!!
Sorry to hog you thread!
Virginia

Jassmine(SO) · Post by **Jassmine(SO)** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:53 pm

Howdy Y'all

You are welcome, Darlene

Virgina, no offense taken

I guess I should explain what my idea of comfortable is...I usually wear nice loose fitting dresses or skirts. When I am feeling a wee bit naughty, I will wear one of my little black dresses or one of my minis. I am also tired of jeans, unfortunately Ahzz has only one pair of nice, causual slacks I like. Sigh....It is so difficult to find nice staright leg slacks. I don't care for the style of most womens' or mens' slacks out there. Same goes for comfortable mens' or women's shirts. I as I stated earlier, I am very picky as to what fabrics I wear. Ahzz, fortunately has several very comfy shirts I can wear

So, I am not always stuck wearing my flannels during the colder months. Oh, have I ever metioned that I HATE shopping....

As for make-up, I only wear it on very special occassions. I have extremely sensitive skin and most anything I use causes me problems

I also prefer the "fresh washed" look.

I may not always wear womens' clothes or make-up, but judging from the looks, stares, whistles, etc...I get, I guess I have no problem looking feminine. Although, there are certainly times, that I would prefer I didn't.

*Hugs & Love*

Jamie Ann · Post by **Jamie Ann** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:16 pm

Jassmine(SO) wrote:I always found bras to be to restrictive, for years I put up with it, and then one day I just decided to say the heck with it and quit wearing them all together. Being an A cup, I really don't need the support from a bra.

It is hard to imagine a well-fitting bra being too restrictive for ordinary activities. On the other hand, according to one large retailer, an astonishing 80% of women wear the wrong bra size! (link) Maybe that explains it.

The almost identical version of this post (link) that appeared by someone else on another forum got some humorous responses, which were interesting. For example, Question: How do GGs feel? Answer: You really should try getting next to one and see for yourself how she feels!

Curly(SO) · Post by **Curly(SO)** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:34 am

Hi Darlene,

Bras...V. uncomfortable, will never get used to them, but have to wear them for support (and creates nice shape under clothes).

Thongs...Reasons for wearing:

1. No VPL

2. Knickers ride up, annoying to keep oiking them out (TMI?

)
Might as well wear thongs...they are already there and stay put

I don't like over tight clothes, I don't like baggy clothes, I like clothes to be quite fitted, it looks good and feels good.

Yes, different outfits do different things for me, I particularly like to look feminine and pretty, sometimes I like a more sophisticated, glam look. (NEVER sparkly). I am quite obsessed with clothes, accessories and looking good. I read anything fashion related and belong to a fashion forum

Virginia, maybe you need to move?! Most of my GG friends are as equally passionate about clothes and looking good as me. I have spent many an hour poring over clothes catalogues and discussing latest lipstick purchases with my girlfriends (after discussing world affairs first, of course....no, that is a lie....after talking about our men, our kids, our hair and our jobs ##oo##

Seriously, Virginia, do you think it is where you live? I can assure you that where I live, I don't see many women dressed as you describe. I do notice differences in different countries though. For example, on our visit to Italy last year I noticed that the women tended to have a more glamourous, polished look, French women look different again. I can normally spot American tourists, they have a certain look too.

The girls where you live must be buying some of the pretty clothes you see, or the shops would stop selling them, or even go out of business, it can't be just crossdressers keeping these businesses afloat methinks!

Anyway, a small point I'd like to make...Without causing offence I hope

..... Us women have won the right to go out dressed any way we please. This is what a lot of crossdressers are hoping to achieve (and I actively support BTW. I promote the right for men to crossdress whenever the subject comes up in conversation) so don't you think it a bit rich to criticize women who are dressed unfeminine? After all, CDers who want to go out in public are, quite rightly, hoping to be able to go out 'unmasculine' without being criticized... (just a small slap on the back of your hand Virginia, I'm not expecting to create a Third World War here

)

Love,
Curly(SO)

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:00 pm

Hi Curly,

Thank you for your honesty. You have helped to confirm some of my suspicions. Wearing woman's clothing has more to do with it than simply wanting to be a woman, or expressing my feminine side etc. IMO.

I wear a large and/or a size 14 dress. I have a medium size short black (very mini) dress, that I look like I am poured into, when I am wearing it. (it is made of a stretchy material) (and I do not own any shape wear or padding).

What I am saying here is that my male form is very evident. Even with a wig and makeup the best that I can hope to achieve is to look like a pretty man in a dress.

I have enjoyed many pleasing hours on end in that dress. (it is one of my favorites). If I would ever find that it would be important for me to be accepted by society (in regards to passing) It would need to include the freedom to be able to present myself as described in that dress.

Love Darlene.

Ahzz · Post by **Ahzz** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:19 pm

Jamie Ann wrote:
Jassmine(SO) wrote:I always found bras to be to restrictive, for years I put up with it, and then one day I just decided to say the heck with it and quit wearing them all together. Being an A cup, I really don't need the support from a bra.

It is hard to imagine a well-fitting bra being too restrictive for ordinary activities. On the other hand, according to one large retailer, an astonishing 80% of women wear the wrong bra size! (link) Maybe that explains it.

The almost identical version of this post (link) that appeared by someone else on another forum got some humorous responses, which were interesting. For example, Question: “How do GG’s feel?” Answer: “You really should try getting next to one and see for yourself how she feels!”

I've measured Jassmine myself. Trust me, she has the right sizes.

I just think that she just doesn't like having bands around her body like that, which I can understand. *grin*

Youi are right though that the vast majority of women wear the wrong size. Mostly because the manufacturers can't get their acts togeather and settle on just ONE method of sizing and measuring. The other (personal opinion/noted attitude of others) is that a lot of women will either subconsciously or delibrately get a size too small just so they feel better about the size they can "squeeze into". 8-P How often do we see women in too-tight jeans, and griping about shoes that "pinch", etc, etc, etc?

Self inflicted pain. That I believe to be the reason why so few get the right size of anything. 8-P

Oregon (SO) · Post by **Oregon (SO)** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:47 pm

HI Darlene,

Darlene wrote:Hi all,

Since I was born a male the feelings and experiences I get while dressed are obviously from a male point of view.

What I am interested in finding out is how does a real girl/woman feel about things like:-

Uncomfortable bra straps. Do you put up with it or do you just have to get used to them?

I found once I started wearing a bra that fit properly that feelings of too tight or 'spilling' over ended. i have grown from high school from a modest 'b' cup to a new mom 'dd'. So when I was uncomfortable I never got used to it, i would go in and get refitted for a bra. And usualy it had to do with me growing in some way.

Darlene wrote:Do you wear thongs for the sexy feel of dress material on their bare skin (like I feel)?

I only wear thongs when I am being intimate with my hubby. Otherwise I feel like they are crawling up my butt and I don't find that comfortable or sexy in any way.

Darlene wrote:Do you enjoy the deliberately tight feel of some outfits or is it worn this way in the name of fashion?

I am a total fashion addick..I love attempting to wear what is fashionable and if it happens to be something tighter then I am there. Some stuff does look better with a more snug fit, but if my body is not in shape for a particular look then I pass it all together.

Darlene wrote:Do you feel different out fits allow you to feel different about yourself? And I am not referring to how a man would feel between being dressed in say work clothes as opposed to a suit and tie.

Yes, i love the way certain outfits let people know who I am and also allows me to go along with the look I am projecting. If I want to look professional or if I want to look like a punker. I can do both and non one would know I can be the other just as easily.

Darlene wrote:In short do different clothes do different things to you? (if yes please explain?)

I was not sure what you are looking for in this question. Do they do different things....I just feel like clothing is basically my way of expressing what ever image I feel like sending out. I can and have always been able to dress down when I want to blend in or dress up when I want to be noticed. I also dont' stop at just clothing and usually change my hairstyle every three months as well. I don't know if they 'do' anything to change my real inner self, becuase I am always 'me', but I like the power that dressing particular ways can bring. When I was younger (like high school and college) if I wanted a particular job and was not qualified, I dressed as provacatively as I could get away with and I usually got the job. But that would usually be the last time I ever dressed like that again in front of the person who hired me. I was after all, not a slutty girl, but I knew what needed to get done to get doors opened, at least back then. As I got older and eventually came to help my dad run our business I tried to dress as casual as possible. Mainly becuase I worked with my parents and secondly most every person I dealt with was a male. The less I did to draw sexual attention the better was my reasoning. But what I later learned was all my casual clothing and turlte necks did not make someone who found me attrative find me any less attractive. All the covering up actually made me seem more provocative than if I had been dressed sexy. Really silly too as I was married (to a different guy then) and was completely monogomous. But I later had several different work acquantiences look me up once it was found out I was single again. Just had me shocked as I tried so hard to be wearing as baggy, plaid, grungy (well it was the mid 90's) clothing, Doc Martins as possble kind of girl. I dressed like a female Eddy Veder.

So, I do know that the power of clothing can make you try to feel or look different, but also, some people will draw conclusions or ideas really no matter how you are dressed.

sincerely
kathy in canada

ps (now a capri-pant & concert shirt wearing stay at home mom!)

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:52 am

Hi Darlene,

Great thread!

Beauty

Kay(SO) · Post by **Kay(SO)** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:29 pm

I hate wearing a bra but unfortunately after having twins I now must. I miss my B-cup boobs and now have D's. It's one of the parts of me my husband envies. That and my hair. The first thing I do when I get home from anywhere is to take off the bra and my girdle-type undies. I'd walk around butt nakey if I could. The kids would probably laugh their hineys off though. Anyhoo, I have the right size and I still don't like the way they fit. Bleh. And I'm looking into having a tummy tuck so I can quit wearing the girdle undies. They are sooooo unattractive but they do the job. $3000.00 dollars for the tuck. Now I have to decide if it's worth it. As for how women dress. It's really quite easy to explain from my perspective anyway. I have to dress up for work so when I'm out shopping, going to the movies, grocery shopping, etc... I want nothing more than to be and feel comfortable. It's supposed to be my leisure time. In the summer I do tend to wear more sun dresses and no pants at all. Sometimes shorts. I did just buy this really cute pale yellow pair of capris with a matching blouse and a white tank top for under. And I'm excited about being able to wear it too. The colors for spring this year are sooooo pretty. Okay, enough babbling.

Kay(SO)

GalicianGirl(SO) · Post by **GalicianGirl(SO)** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:14 pm

Darlene,

On the topic of bras... I only buy ones that feel comfortable. I usually go for ones with wider straps and bands and stay away from the thin spaghetti strap ones. All they do is dig into your skin and leave marks...

I can't get away without wearing one since I am a C cup. I love some of the new Victoria Secret bras with no seams and and lace. I found one particular style that is so comfortable that I bought a bunch of different colors with undies to match...

Speaking of undies... I love thongs!!! I hate panty lines so to me that's the only solution... And yes they make me feel sexy... I did buy a few lacy boy panties that are really comfortable but I only wear them with my baggier pants...

I really don't like tight fitting clothing except for maybe a sexy, tight formal gown that hugs your skin but unfortuneately you have to have a perfect body for that... Yes Kay, the tummy tuck is next on my list too...

My mood really dictates what I wear. Usually I'm in jeans and a nice clingy sweater... But I have noticed that if I dress up more it can definately change my mood...makes me feel more feminine and sexy...

Sharon(SO)

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:31 pm

Thank you ladies,

There is no way I would be able to find the appropriate words that would let you know how much this thread has meant to me. This is the kind of stuff that is Pure Gold for me. (nuggets that is) I can not thank you all enough for your openness and honesty. (Bless you all.)

I find that if I listen closely to my inner self as to what she wants to wear, and follow through with it I am rewarded emotionally. Yes it has a lot to do with moods, something that I have found unavailable in men's fashions.

As for me (panty lines) on a well formed women's behind...In tight fitting jeans? Ah la la.....Me says that's "Eye Candy". But I understand how you feel about it, and acknowledge your right to feel the way you do.

Love Darlene.

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