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Hi girls,

I know many of you are dismayed by California's voters who decided to use a document designed to preserve rights, to take away the rights of a select few.

However, under California law the Voter referendum can only be used to amend the Constitution, not to revise it. This will prove to be the undoing of this proposition. The amemdment as written would take away a fundemental provision of California's constitution that requires equal protection under the law. Specifically that all Californian's be treated equally.

In order for the new amendment to take effect, it literally changes the provisions that guarantee equality. This revision is unconstitutional and will be struck down by the same Court that struck down the ban on gay marriage. However, by doing it this way, there will not be a new propostion at every election trying to re-instate it.

Look for the amendment to be stayed and overturned. We can not allow the majority to take away the rights of the few. Everyone who voted yes on prop. 8 has something in common. They will not be affected by it. That alone tells us it's wrong.

Love always,
Elizabeth

When are those for gay marriage going to figure out that the politicians and lawyers are for it only for what they can get out of it? How much does that license cost in Cali? and if they decide that they aren't happy after they get married and have to file for divorce, how much money are the lawyers and courts going to make off of those who previously could have just cut their losses and walked away. What you do in your bed room is your business, but the Benjamin's the liers for hire stand to make is another matter.
I've gone through three hetro divorces, it ain't cheep, easy or quick.

Elizabeth,

I'm new here but please keep us posted on the status of Prop 8 in the California Court System. I hope for saner heads to prevail.


Jenna

I may get some heat for this, but I am generaly a consertive. I am all for civil unions, but am against changing the definiation of marriage. Come to think of it, in our system marriage is a civil union or contract because the government has to get involved with lic and fees.

But then even us of the consertive belief can change our minds on some things.

I could probably go on for a long time with this , but don't want SL putting me in the cornor and useing the wet noodle on me lol.

Leeza

I am in complete support of same sex unions. This is an important step to ensure that the rights of both are protected, suvivorship, social security, health care, legal representation etc.
However, I am also a very conservative person by nature and resolve the conflect that the term "marriage" can not be used in the creation of this union. Being that this is a civil and not a religious issue, the state should be able to issue a document indicating the joining together of two people in a "union" of one that ensures there full protection under the law.
Stephanie

Hi Leeza,

Leeza wrote: I am all for civil unions, but am against changing the definiation of marriage.

Where is this definition of marriage? Marriage existed long before any of the current religions. Marriage is an agreement to share lives between people who love each other. There is no reason to exclude gays from this. It harms no one's marriage. Thousands of gay people have already married and it caused no harm to anyone's marriage.

Preventing marriage between gay people is nothing more than a punishment for being gay. To somehow discount their love as not being genuine or as real as any heterosexual's love. My biggest problem with these gay marriage bans is that the people voting for these laws will never be affected by them. That is not equal protection under the law. How would you feel if your marriage was made illegal because of some trait you or your spouse had? Would it make your love any less?

The bottom line is? Who's business is it? No one's marriage is anyone else's business but their own. No one has the right to tell anyone else who they can love and who they can marry. Each person's personal beliefs only belong to them. No one has the right to impose their beliefs on others.

At least that is how I see it. I mean if you really want to defend marriage let's outlaw divorce. Let's not let people who drink or do drugs marry. Or people who have tempers. An perhaps we should ban people who can't have children. Or we could say that people who belong to cults can't marry. Where does it end?

What are human rights? What rights do we have that we don't need the approval of the majority? That is what rights are. Ironically the same people who want to ban gay marriage are the ones who did ban inter-racial marriage. And they said the same things. It's wrong, it's not natural. If god wanted races to mix, he wouldn't have made different races. What about the kids of mixed race marriages? All the same stuff.

18,000 gay Californians married and to the best of my knowledge it did not harm even one heterosexual marriage. It just made a lot of people happy.

Love always,
Elizabeth

I was blessed to be able to attend my two best girlfriend's "marriage" in Yosemite back in September of this year. I have known them for quite a while. One for nearly 15 years and I know how she has struggled emotionally to try and "find her way." Now she has someone who loves her and it makes her happy, as happy as I have ever seen her. You see them together and they are in love, just two people who have had the great fortune of finding someone who loves them, cares for them, accepts them for who they are, (warts and all). We only go around once in this life and I think it is up to us to find our own happiness.

If I may digress a bit, it is just like many of our sisters here. They love to dress up. They may not understand it, that desire to dress. Some never have to face the complexities that others of us have had to deal with, because that is the extent of their desires. They are content to "hide in the closet" dress, undress and go on their way. with no one the wiser, and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!!!!!

There are those of us who, on the other hand have had to deal with the internal nagging, wondering, feeling -- why?! We have explored it and for some of us found it to be 'JUST WHO WE ARE!" AND we took a stand and said, I am who I am, I like who I am and if others can't deal with it, that is their problem. I am going to be happy in this "trip around the sun." Some of us it cost us --- a lot or so others seem to think, but we are happy and for those of us who either have found some one to share this "gift" with and who accepts us for who we are, we both gain from that. Others are fortunate enough to have "come out" to whomever, SO. spouse, family, etc and have been accepted. It is called love = LOVE, some of the girls here have on going stories that they don't share, cause it ain't none of our business, but it would tear your heart out to know some of the trials and tribulations they endure for "our gift."

It is the same with our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. If they are fortunate enough to find someone to share their lives with, who the hell should care what's between their legs, its what's between their ears that counts.

These bigoted, self-centered, egotistical idiots who have the gall to not only create God in their own image, but to put words and thoughts into "HER" mouth, well as I said, they are idiots and most of us don't suffer idiots gladly.

I guess I am perhaps too much of a romantic, but "love can conquer all!"

Love,

Virginia

Marriage is not just a religious term. Once the government became involved and required couples to obtain a license it ceased being a religious term. Separation of church and state.

And what about atheists? Their unions are deemed to be marriages. People united outside the church, their's is deemed to be a marriage.

Under the law.

And under the law, there should be no discrimination. We are all supposed to be equal.

civil unions are not equal to marriages because the federal government refuses to recognize them. Same sex couples don't have the same tax breaks. And there are a whole lot of other privileges for married couples that same-sex couples do not have.

And, How. In. The. World. is a "definition" going to detrimentally affect man/woman marriages in any way? They are just words.

It's the equality issues/privileges that are most important.

I wholeheartedly agree with Donna, Elizabeth, and Virginia!!



- SL

Hi Ladies
Who defined what a marriage is? Was it Jesus? Maybe Moses or the Evangelicals might know. It might also be in every holy book that was written by men. Let me know. I can't wait.
Better yet,just ask God what the answer is and get back to me. Has he ever answered a question?
If you're doing nothing this weekend call up Jesus and see if he wants to hang out with you. Fat chance. Hugs.

Love
Auntie Jeannie the damned.

PS "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

KARL MARX, Criticism of Hegel's "Philosophy of Right"

Thanks for the link, Donna.

I liked it.

Hi, Donna -

Thanks for the link, hon . . . the video is not only very cute but also very much to-the-point!


((Hugs))

- SL and Virginia

An interesting look at the Prop 8 debacle. lol

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cca5e8 ... than-smith

So, if you feel like signing an online petition...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/protec ... it-divorce

http://prop8trialtracker.com/

Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional