Sad state of affairs

Rony · Post by **Rony** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:11 pm

This link is to what we have come down too.
These people were screened just like everbody else getting on the plane.
I'm sorry this makes me sad.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44501310/ns ... ?GT1=43001

Ronnie
:-(

Carolynn · Post by **Carolynn** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:09 pm

Homeland Insecurity is mostly a law unto itself. I hope she pursues legal options to compel these, er, ah, "officers of the law" to do more than "thank her for her coperation " in allowing them to strip search her and turn her tavels into a day of negative memories. They have admitted to profiling before, and no one calls them on it. They have more discretionary powers to un-reasonable search and rights viollation than any other agency in the government, other than the IRS maybe.

Absaroka · Post by **Absaroka** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:34 am

On one hand, folks have in fact tried to blow up planes (shoe bomber, underwear bomber). On the other hand this sort of thing means Bin Laden acccomplished at least some of what he set out to do, namely disrupting things.

It's probably worth noting that his big successful bombings in the transportation area have lately been on trains.

I guess this is a blow for feminism. Now women can also fit a description

Zari

Michelle Miller · Post by **Michelle Miller** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:46 am

Homeland Security - Keeping you safe from brown people, no matter the cost!.

Post by **DonnaT** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:29 pm

Maybe she should sue the airline for sitting her between two Indian men!

Ralitsa · Post by **Ralitsa** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:24 pm

Incredible

So much for being the land of the free.
I do like the F-16 escort bit. Just in case the plane failed to blow up they can always shoot it down.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:48 pm

What does this say for the TSA folks having done their job to start with.
I think those folks are paid $$$$, to insure that bombs don't get on the plane at all.
I mean why do I have to submit to a BODY scan, xray of the carry on and my laptop swabbed for explosives, then some stewardess thinks I'm acting weird and I'm subject to a strip search.

I'm sorry TSA is largely federally funded welfare IMHO.

Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone. The United States is the only country that I have to remove my shoes to get on a plane.

Ronnie

Post by **DonnaT** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:13 pm

Rony wrote:What does this say for the TSA folks having done their job to start with.
I think those folks are paid $$$$, to insure that bombs don't get on the plane at all.
I mean why do I have to submit to a BODY scan, xray of the carry on and my laptop swabbed for explosives, then some stewardess thinks I'm acting weird and I'm subject to a strip search.

True that!

Anthony Simon · Post by **Anthony Simon** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:49 am

On 7/7, the day suicide bombers targeted London, I was standing under a flyover with my bike like I often do. Two police officers drove their car into the area and started questioning me. They came across as being lost at what was happening, like in a panic mode reacting to everything and anything. Eventually I just go fed up with it. I didn't want to stay there all day (or worse) and, as sometimes happens, a "look" came over my face. It must have been something like "this is daft and silly" - and, miraculously, they got the point (which probably also means they were a bit lost) and let me go.

The next day out-of-uniform police officers shot Jean Charles Menendez in what was essentially a targeted killing, an execution, on the Underground. They had followed him out of a block where a suspect was, mistaken him for that suspect and when he decided to get on the Underground (where the previous day 3 bombs had gone off), they killed him in cold blood. He was completely innocent.

Because of what happened to me the previous day, this has always seemed to me a case of systemic panic. I mean there are multiple levels of decision-making and responsibility that went into that, horrible, act and it played out of a period of time. Yet still it happened. Like the whole of the police force was infected with a kind of "shooting at shadows" state.

Because of the level of tension surrounding the 9/11 anniversary in the States, I imagine that might have been the root of the incident in this thread. This is not to defend it. Just to try to understand where it can come from. Because these sorts of actions come from somewhere. And that's what terror does, it makes people panic.

Absaroka · Post by **Absaroka** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:11 am

Idoubt that the folks working at TSA are terribly well paid.

Paula G · Post by **Paula G** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:18 pm

Mostly I'm just glad my hoemland is in Europe