Tom Cruise is a MORON

Jessie · Post by **Jessie** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:35 pm

With the new War of the Worlds Movie comming out he goes on all these TV show promoting then on the today show I see him say Psycharatry is not a real scince he gone about how they are just there to pump you with meds or give electric shock treatment. Why do celberties spout such complete none sense that is not true. I know it works especial for me as I am thinking clearly since taking this new medication. It just pisses me off he idea that his speduo religion "scientolgy" a made up religion for the rich as said by the person who created it. I then see I a CNN show about a leader of the "religion" say pscogy is all fake and keeps saying that they just want to pump you with drugs or use electirc shock treatment on you. He would not talk about the beniets of talking with a theropist.

This just makes me so made as I want to see the new steven spilberg film but I am now more and more hating seeing anything to do with Tom Cruise as he spots his lies.

Lorna · Post by **Lorna** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:28 pm

Is that what he said? What does he (or any movie celeb for that matter) know about psychiatry (or any legitemate science) anyway? And there is no doubt in my mind that people will eventually believe his BS.

Just another Hollywood prettyboy shooting his mouth off simply because there are idiots out there who will listen, simply because they "love him in his movies".

The majority of the people in this country are morons anyway, and will sooner listen to a Hollywood face than listen to a true expert who has actually GONE TO SCHOOL and studied and researched for years.

Such is our society. This is nothing new.

Carolynn · Post by **Carolynn** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:34 pm

Awww Jessie, Mr. Cruise is often a decent actor, but as a psychiatrist he just makes an even better roll of duct tape!

Yeah, he should stick to what he's good at.

After all, he is human, and flawed like the rest of us, though his successes blind him to that perhaps. But, don't let his foolishness ruin your opportunity to enjoy a good performance on screen. He isn't the end-all of the movie.

Love, Carolynn

Aeryn · Post by **Aeryn** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:57 pm

I knew TC was a whack job but his comments about Brooke Shields and follow up comments on Today has put him on my banned list. No War of the Worlds for me.

I have worked in community mental health and can attest from personal experience that medication works. But if you are a Scientologist and believe you are infected with an alien spirit, meds probably are not the right answer! LOL

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Post by **DonnaT** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:54 pm

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Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:08 am

YAY!

I'm going to be in trouble.

I don't disagree with him and I'm not a scientologist. Doctors over prescribe things all the time. The whole ADD thing to me is a bit of a show. I do believe in ADD I'm a member of the club, but it's turned into a freakshow where doctors are over medicating kids and have moved on to adults.

The mind is very powerful and we don't do enough to harness it's power to stop mental illness. Instead we weaken it's strength by conditioning it to believe and to become dependent on drugs.

I have friends at work who won't come off of depression medication because they don't want to feel the pain of life without them. One of them tried and it just didn't work out, so she's back on them. The medication probably saved her life though. I can relate because when I stopped testosterone from raging through my body and then decided to stop the second time I about lost it. I hate testosterone as much as some people hate to even feel anything like depression.

I can't say anyone is wrong to take medication for depression. I'm not them and living their lives. In fact, even as I type this my heart aches and tears well up in the pools of my eyes when I even imagine what they must be feeling.

I feel we're here to learn things and just because a drug doesn't give you a buzz or isn't labeled as addictive, numbing your mind for safety isn't the best thing for you to do if you're here to learn to handle what's being thrown your way. I think that's what Tom Cruise was saying, but people want to beat the guy up so it's pile on time. I'm agreeing with him being right in principal, but my mind isn't strong enough or I wouldn't be taking T-blockers. I'd be able to stop testosterone flow with my mind. So I'm not doing what's right either. That's why I'm not casting any stones from this glass house surrounded by a 100 foot tall wall that would cause any rock I throw to destroy windows in my home.

I do think people are over medicated and are given meds they don't need by people who make money by giving it out. Tom Cruise was spot on there.

Makes sense to me.

Beauty

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:40 am

Hi all,

I also agree with him. I have not seen one bipolar person who does not have (what I like to call) some stinking thinking that causes a lot of their problems. Drugs do not help that at all.

Having said that: I am speaking only of those who I have personally been involved with face to face. I am not referring to anyone here. Don’t know (or want to know) anyone that well to make that kind of a statement about anyone here.

Peace,
Darlene.

Post by **DonnaT** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:45 pm

Well what do you know, I disagree with both Darlene and Beauty

Tom Cruise wasn't limiting his statement to "for some it may work". Instead he was putting down the whole field of psychiatry and medications necessary to correct for "chemical imbalances". Even denying chemical imbalances exhist.

Sure, some drugs may be over prescribed, my son was on Ritalin, so I know from that point ov view. Switching over to a caffine patch resulted in the same helping affect, without the "daze". But caffine is also a drug, albeit a natural one. Vitamines would definitely not have helped.

Without good psychiatric care to identify the attention deficit, he would not have made it through school.

Nope, Tom is wrong.

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:46 pm

Hi Donna,

I don't see where we disagree really. I said his statement about doctors over medicating is spot on, especially regarding ADD. Is that why you were smiling that we disagree?

I didn't take on his cause for scientology. I do think he was saying the mind is strong enough to overcome everything.

The only thing I disagree with you on is that Tom is wrong. You can't prove he is and he can't prove you aren't. He believes if he takes a person in he can change them without medicine under his religion. You can debate it until the cows come home that he can't, but since he hasn't it's a debate for the ages. Not one that I want to carry on though.

So you saying Tom is wrong is the only thing I disagree with. I don't disagree with anything else you said in your last post, but if you'd like to think we disagree okee.

As someone who had ADD. I couldn't even sit still and read a book without oozing out of my chair. My stomach would hurt and I would tell my mom something was wrong, but she thought I was just trying to get out of homework. I made it and lots of others can make it. It's just with medication the hills are valleys. The mind doesn't need medication, but we feed it and that's because we think we need it. I tried to illustrate in my post, I need testosterone blockers, but my mind is strong enough to not need them. Still, I don't believe that so I take the meds and voila I am better.

So to Tommy Boy, it's a matter of believing the mind is strong enough or not. He believes we can all get around meds and I don't think the common person (like me) can. I respect him for his strength and wish him well.

His ideas are hypothetical. He can't prove them anymore than anyone can disprove them until he takes on someone and can't cure them with his religion.

Beauty

Jessie · Post by **Jessie** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:04 pm

He mentioned in his comments that he has "scientific" proof that pscyatry all psyctary does not work for any one. He said he held these beliefe even before he found scientalgy. He saying that if you see a spycatrist all they want to do is put you on medication or use shock treatment on you. I will have to read the full statment he made on the MSNBC site but I belive that is what he was saying. I also had heard that it may hurt the film what he said. There is was someone on CNN showbiz saying this is all do to him changing his publicist from a rock hard person to his sister who also happens to be scientalgiest (sp?)

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:37 pm

Well Donna,

I was not going to respond, but seeing as Beauty replied I will throw in my further two bits.

You are certainly free to think that you disagree with me, but if you do….I think you will need to explain how Drugs help the thinking part of the problem. I did not indicate that drugs do not treat the symptoms. Drugs will do that all right, but one needs to take them for the rest of their life, because they do not correct the root problem.

I used to have stinking thinking and I was helped by psychologists (there were/are no drugs involved) Psychiatrists treat the patient with drugs where as the psychologist focuses on the stinking thinking.

All of the help I received from psychologists came from books they had written that I read. There was more that involved in my journey, but absolutely nothing from a Psychiatrist.

By the way I do not support scientology in any way shape or form. But I have better things to do than spend my time being angry about it, or over what any of them choose to believe. They have no control over me.

Darlene.

Post by **DonnaT** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:07 am

Darlene wrote:but if you do….I think you will need to explain how Drugs help the thinking part of the problem.

I couldn't say anything about that Darlene.

ADD doesn't cause any thinking problems that I know of. People with ADD usually only have a problem with keeping their mind focused on one thing.

Thus, all I know is for ADD it helped my son stay on task longer. If that's masking the problem, so be it, as long as it helps.

Of course I'd rather see a cure, and hopefully someone will come up with one, but I doubt it wll happen in our lifetime. I wonder if anyone is even looking for one.

As for me, I've been lucky enough never having a need for psychiatry or therapy, so I can't give you an answer without first hand experience.

I don't think anyone knows enough about the brain, especially Tom Cruise, to denigrate the field of psyciatric medicine.

But you know, Tom is even against diabetics taking insulin! My dad was Type 1, I was/am Type II. No amount of vitamins in the world will help a Type 1 diabetic's pancreas to start producing enough insulin.

And why is Tom against such treatment? Because insulin is not a cure. But without enough insulin, a person can easily die, go blind, loose limbs, etc.

But with insulin a person has a chance at an ordinary life. That goes for meds used to control (mask the cause of) depression, ADD, postpartum depression, etc.

I'd rather the mother of my children be on meds for postpartum depression, until a cure is found, than have her kill my children.

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:03 pm

Hi all,

He saying that if you see a spycatrist all they want to do is put you on medication

He is 100% right about that. A little research into the field of psychiatry will bear that out.

I don't disagree with him and I'm not a scientologist. Doctors over prescribe things all the time. The whole ADD thing to me is a bit of a show. I do believe in ADD I'm a member of the club, but it's turned into a freakshow where doctors are over medicating kids and have moved on to adults.

I am fortunate enough to have a family member who is Bipolar, who (from their personal experience with the mental health department) (which includes but is not limited to psychiatrists) will tell you the same thing.

I knew TC was a whack job but his comments about Brooke Shields and follow up comments on Today has put him on my banned list.

The title of this thread refers to him as a moron.

The closer one gets to know another human being, the more he/she will discover that the person holds some beliefs that are not true. What a great surprise… Wow… yet another flawed human being… Just like the rest of us… God forbid.

Cross-dressers are certainly among those who are looked upon by many as being morons, perverts, etc. You fill in the Blank_________.

Would you all have them treat us as Tom Cruise is being treated here?

For God sakes folks he is an actor... with opinions... some of which are right... some of which are wrong. He has no authority over us… What on earth are we afraid of

Just what is the big deal?

The world is full of people who could influence others into believing what they tell us. That reality will never change. And only those who are gullible will believe them. In other words only those who are destined to fail (because they are gullible) will believe them. In fact the gullible are the ones who will seek those kinds of therapists (people) out. They are drawn to them, and try as one will... They will not change due to anyones efforts to help them.

Love Darlene.

Jessie · Post by **Jessie** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:48 pm

I got some more info on what cruise was talking about when he was refering to broke shields. He was talking about how post pardom depression (something that happens to woman after giving birth) is not reall. broke shilds fired back saying if it ws not for the meds she would have sucidal. So I hope this clears up some info at least on my end.

Aeryn · Post by **Aeryn** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:32 pm

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The problem with TC's comments are that they are not rooted in any scientific fact, they are rooted in a psuedo-religious diatribe. Someone posted that TC is human and basically we should review our treatment of him on these boards (more or less). The problem with that is that TC attacked Brooke Shields for something she said worked for her and basically condemmed her for it, all based on a belief system created by a second-rate sci fi author and all around lier, thief, and general miscreant (for those with subscriptions to TIME, check out their archives).

The bigger problem is that he knows not of what he speaks, yet people will believe him because he is famous and sounds so damn convincing.

Chemical imbalances are real. Bi-Polar is real. Depression is real. Schizophrenia is real. I have worked with numerous people suffering from these disorders and no amount of vitamins or exercise was going to help them. Anti-psycotic medication helped them. No amount of "auditing" was going to help them. There are numerous studies that have used MRIs to show the brain function of a "normal" brain vs. those with the disorders noted above. There is a vast difference.

I never worked with a post-pardum depression, but I did work with a post-pardum psychosis. Very sad, very real.

As to the over prescription of meds for ADD/ADHD- sad but true. Parents and teachers are far to eager to run to the doctor screaming for meds rather than deal with the behaviors (which takes more time and effort). I do believe ADD/ADHD is real (although that is being disputed by researchers right now) but I believe it is FAR over diagnosed.

Someone noted depression earlier. What people need to understand is there are two types of depression. One is a chemical imbalance and one is "situational". Situational depression can't really be aided by medication because the problem is with thought processes and emotions, not screwed up brain function.

When my first wife passed away, I was depressed (duh). My family doc prescribed Prozac and an anti anxiety after I dropped 30 pounds. The meds did nothing for me. Why? I didn't have a chemical imbalance, my brain chemistry was fine. I was coping with grief issues, it was situational.

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