Lingerie

LeslyAllen · Post by **LeslyAllen** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:49 am

Yes lingerie, I feel the best when I have it on tight, head to toe, control top pantyhose with a satin inlay girdle and a longline bra with gel inserts size 42. Sometimes I feel gay but the thought leaves me very soon. Any thoughts?

Absaroka · Post by **Absaroka** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:41 am

The feeling of being physically wrapped up in our lingerie is one many of us enjoy. To me it feels like the clothes are giving me a hug. Then add to that the sexual connotations and also the merely physical sensations-these are after all materials known for their sensuousness.

There's lots of other things that can feel really nice-wrapped up in a warm blanket by a fire for example. But that doesn't come with a lot of baggage so we don't have real mixed feelings about it.

I suppose the folks who go at this from a child development stand point would say that being held by really tight clothing, especially feminine clothing, is a sort of a return to the womb, similar to babies feeling happier when they are swaddled, or wrapped up tightly in their blanket. It's one of those desires we are all supposed to have buried in us somewhere.

I find that the more confining undergarments such as boned corsets become unpleasant and uncomfortable very quickly. But I really enjoy gently shaping clothing as long as it's not warm out.

Read the advertisement for foundation garments. They talk about shaping, control, firmness. When I was younger I found these very terms exciting when applied to lingerie. As if the lingerie was going to turn me into something. After a little experimentation I discovered why so many women dislike the percieved need to wear them.

I've said this before here but not recently so older users please forgive me. A tremendous amount of money and effort has been put into designing lingerie that will be attractive to men when worn by women, as well as teaching men that these garments are attractive. At the same time we have funny feelings about men who get a little too attracted to women wearing these garments, as if they are a crutch or fetish, as if we are attracted to the clothing, not the woman. That's without even getting into the subject of crossdressing. A real double message has been sent.

Now onto crossdressing. Consider the vast sums spent on advertising and all the societal stuff about lingerie. Consider the vast sums women spend on attractive lingerie. Consider that there are quite a few women who prefer to wear attractive bras, panties, slips, and so on even if no one but them will know about it. Is it any wonder that some men take this to an entirely plausable next level. If it feels so good on a woman, both being worn by her and worn for us, what is it like to wear it? Does it put me in touch with something women may be feeling that I don't really understand? And lo and behold, surprise, surprise, it does feel good. But now suddenly a societal taboo has been violated. A taboo where in reality a lot of effort by society has been expended to make the desire to violate this taboo inevitable. And now what has happened has become a secret. Secrets are incredibly powerful. And voila, the wearing of a simple set of underwear has become a defining factor in our lives with the power to ruin all sorts of things. How absurd.

Onto another thought. What am I doing? If I wear the clothes am I wearing the woman? Does it mean that if I am inside the clothes am I inside the woman? Inside her in any sense that resonates with you. Sexually, spiritually, emotionally. Is this just some sort of an very large step from how my wife and I like to wear each others socks and sweatshirts, precisely because they belong to our partner.

My daughter used to like to wear her boyfriends underwear. His tighty whities that we love to hate. One could ask all the same questions and no I did not believe her when she said it was merely because they were more comfortable.

Here's another question. I will wear my wifes panties with her knowledge if all my underwear is in the laundry and she thinks it's cute. I will wear them without her knowledge for a thrill and she sort of knows this anyway. I wear my own and she doesn't know. If I wore lingerie belonging to some other woman, would that consitute some sort of adultery? I don't know but I do know that it is not something I would feel comfortable doing. Likewise although my daughters and I will swap sweatshirts and my oldest loves to wear my flannel shirts, I would never wear my daughters bra. That would be just way too wierd.

If panties and stockings and slips and dresses were suddenly fashionable for men (lets face it most of us really don't need bras for which many women are envious of us) would I still want to wear them? In my case no. In other peoples cases yes.

Okay so that was about a million confused thoughts. Have fun thinking about it and if you figure out how it applies to you let us know.

Absaroka

PS After I posted this I reread your post. You asked about feeling gay. Who knows, maybe you are but wearing womens clothing doesn't have anything to do with it. Personally as you can see from the above post, for me crossdressing is about being a heterosexual male even though sometimes it seems to be about something that isn't completely about sex. I don't really understand why gay men would want to crossdress.

CherryLynn · Post by **CherryLynn** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:42 pm

Lesleyallen

I love the feel of panties, camis, and sheer nylons. I don't consdiered myself gay, I just love women's clothing and makeup. To be honest i, I get so aroused when getting dolled up- painting my lips cherry red and coating my eyelashes etc.

CherylM · Post by **CherylM** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:35 am

Wearing feminine undergarments, is my favorite turn-on. I love the clingy, sensual feel of satin and silk next to my skin. I often wear pink lace panties all day long. I like to wear black, sheer nylon stockings, too.

There is something, that is forbidden, and sensual in the wearing of these items. It is hard to define, but most CDer's get the picture. After all, you can wear most female clothing, without undergarments. But there is the thrill!

LeslyAllen · Post by **LeslyAllen** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:08 pm

ditto

Post by **KimberlyS** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:21 pm

for me lingerie has a more calming affect and just fells right wearing it. Even my wife has notice the difference days that I am wearing that have been stress full days and I do not seem as stressed as I would be with out.

DianeCD · Post by **DianeCD** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:25 pm

I agree -- dressing is just not complete without the undergarments and lingerie. I have been dressing 50+ years now and my start in CDing began with wearing a girdle with stockings. As I grew older --- and was able to buy my own clothes instead of borrowing mom's --- I bought my own bras, girdles, slips and panties. I absolutely must wear my girdle and stockings when I dress. I feel perfectly natural and comfortable and proper wearing a bra. When I dress, I always wear a skirt or a dress (I can wear pants en drab!!). Thus I always wear a slip with my dress --- preferably a nice satiny full slip. The softness of the slip is a wonderful feeling. So lingerie is definitely an integral part of my dressing experience.

Erin L · Post by **Erin L** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:34 pm

Yes, I love lingerie. I'ver recently discovered a web site called Secrets In Lace where you can order all sorts of yummy retro lingerie, including (gasp!) sheer panties. I know that when I have these on, I will be in heaven. I feel very naughty just thinking about them.

Delia · Post by **Delia** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:32 am

Must say i agree with all that has been written about this subject. Dressing is not the same unless you have on a nice pantygirdle, tights or stockings, whichever is your choice, slip, pretty panties and bra. The dress or skirt and top just adds to the feeling.

Joann NJ · Post by **Joann NJ** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:18 am

For me, lingerie includes foundation garments, as the final results depend on a good foundation. These don't have to be the "I can't even breath" types, just the first step to achieve the persona and person you really are. A bra that fits nice, the right size hose, corset..... are the beginning. I have a couple of bras where a strap will slide off my shoulder and need to be adjusted, and this action is one more detail adding to the experience. So, lingerie is a must for me and the outfit will decide what types and colors. Decisions..... decisions..... sounds like a shopping trip is near.

JenniferPL · Post by **JenniferPL** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:42 pm

I agree with all of you. It is more about the undergarments than the outerwear. There is something special about wearing a satin bra and panties, tight fitting nylons with garters, pantygirdles also are wonderful. Silicone Breast forms just add to the overall pleasure. Being a crossdresser without the lingerie would be rather boring.

Talk about calming. All I have to do is slip on a bra with forms and I am a different person.

SilverLady(SO) · Post by **SilverLady(SO)** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:53 pm

Hi, Jennifer, and welcome to the Forum!

Just a suggestion, but you might want to wander over to the New Members section and introduce yourself to everyone.

We're looking forward to your continued participation, so don't be shy!

- SL

Ann Stef · Post by **Ann Stef** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:58 pm

Today being a cold day in Florida, I am wearing an all-in-one foundation with panty legs. I put on the long leg tight stockings and attached with garters. This gives me a heavenly feeling and keeps me warm.

Henriette · Post by **Henriette** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:05 am

I have to agree with Delia, Joan and the other ladies, the lingerie is the first step. Whatever you wear will look better with the right lingerie. For me, even if underdressed only, it still feels right to wear panties and hose, at least, and a bra and/or cami if the weather permits.

Whether I then wear a dress, skirt or slacks, or even go out in drab, I know what I am wearing underneath, and that is good for me. It is always the first choice to make, the first step for me, to enjoy my freedom to choose.

Robyn Katie · Post by **Robyn Katie** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:41 am

Gay? No, not for me. I've thought about that, and frankly I have zero attraction toward other males. In fact I haven't many male friends; I think men are boring and drab -- sort of the way my sisters here feel about male clothing.

I love women and love to be among them. (Always envied Achilles hiding among the women -- but believe me, no sword and armor would tempt me out into battle. Why would he ever want to give up the fun of being one of the girls?)

So I may be a woman under my male skin, but if so, I'm a lesbian woman.

Lingerie is the basic thing, the starting place for me, the thing I won't do without. Bras, camisoles, panties, stockings, garter belts and so on and on ... Even if I'm having to dress male -- even if I was forced to give up every other item of femme clothing -- they're under my clothes, keeping me me. The sleekness, the security, the sense of finally being who I am -- big contrast to my experiences of a life in male duds, never feeling I fit in (even if others thought I did), always hiding the real me, never able to be who I was.

And most basically a bra, with breastforms. I just don't feel I'm myself without breasts, and a pretty bra to hold and emphasize them. (Damn I hate these molded bras they wear now. Totally nonsexy.)

Breasts. I just revel in them, making as much a part of me as possible. If I were younger, I think I would get implants. But as it is, the forms are as much a part of me as my fingers and toes, and having to remove them is always a little bit sad ... till they can rejoin me again.

Feeling at home with yourself finally ... a lovely feeling.

Love, Robyn Katie