Most of us are heterosexual at present but, what would we be if we had gender reassignment surgery. I know I would still love women.
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According to Jennifer Boylan about a third of people retain their attraction to what used to be the opposite sex after SRS (straight man becomes lesbian and vic3e versa), a third switch orientation of attraction (straight men become straight woman etc) and a third become fairly asexual. I'm not clear if this means they are attracted to both genders or to neither.
It is interesting I think that so many from heterosexual in one gender to heterosexual in the other gender.
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It is interesting I think that so many from heterosexual in one gender to heterosexual in the other gender.
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Hi JulieAnn,
I am also a member at sites that predominantly are transsexuals. What I have noticed is that some transsexuals do change sexual preference. But many don't. And while there are some who were attracted to women only before transition and later become attracted to men. The group I notice the most are those who have no attraction at all before SRS and later are attracted to men.
Now some psychologists have taken the leap to say that these "men" were secretly homosexual and could not face up to it, so they transition so they can have sexual and personal relationships with the same sex without being tagged as gay. I would not be in that group.
I think many of them have been attracted to men all along because they are women and for the same reasons they tried to live their lives as men, they tried to convince themselves that they really wanted a relationship with a woman. However once the reality of having a woman's body hits, it's actually easier to have a relationship with a man, than with a women
And we are talking about a straight man, not a gay man. It's a big difference in thinking and how one feels. I know as a lesbian transsexual woman, it's difficult to find a partner who will have a transswoman. Most lesbians want a "real" woman. But there are some out there like Raven and Silverlady who wouldn't have it any other way.
Don't worry about what others do and worry about how you feel about things.
Love always,
Elizabeth
I am also a member at sites that predominantly are transsexuals. What I have noticed is that some transsexuals do change sexual preference. But many don't. And while there are some who were attracted to women only before transition and later become attracted to men. The group I notice the most are those who have no attraction at all before SRS and later are attracted to men.
Now some psychologists have taken the leap to say that these "men" were secretly homosexual and could not face up to it, so they transition so they can have sexual and personal relationships with the same sex without being tagged as gay. I would not be in that group.
I think many of them have been attracted to men all along because they are women and for the same reasons they tried to live their lives as men, they tried to convince themselves that they really wanted a relationship with a woman. However once the reality of having a woman's body hits, it's actually easier to have a relationship with a man, than with a women
And we are talking about a straight man, not a gay man. It's a big difference in thinking and how one feels. I know as a lesbian transsexual woman, it's difficult to find a partner who will have a transswoman. Most lesbians want a "real" woman. But there are some out there like Raven and Silverlady who wouldn't have it any other way.
Don't worry about what others do and worry about how you feel about things.
Love always,
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth I really liked your point that these people were not gay men but heterosexual women in mens bodies.
This seems to be confusing to many. Many seem to have trouble understanding the difference between a transexual and a homosexual. In Iran they recently proposed legislation that would be in agreement with that last paragraph, that would mandate SRS for gays and lesbians so that they could become heterosexual. Which of course is absurd for most gays and lesbians.
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This seems to be confusing to many. Many seem to have trouble understanding the difference between a transexual and a homosexual. In Iran they recently proposed legislation that would be in agreement with that last paragraph, that would mandate SRS for gays and lesbians so that they could become heterosexual. Which of course is absurd for most gays and lesbians.
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I don't have an answer to this, but I wonder if attraction is not way more complex than this. It seems to me that the mechanics of attraction is not who you are attracted to - i.e. a man or a woman - but rather whether you are attracted to the "same" or to the "opposite".
Thus, as a gg, on the few times I've played with other gg's, I found the same-ness to be less than satisfying. (And yes, they did know what they were doing -- it was just - uh - that they were the same as me).
Also, my sweetie's male side is completely attracted to women - i.e. fully hetero. His femme side is also completely hetero and thus attracted to men. No, this is not some bi-copout. It is what it is - both sides of him, which are not very integrated, are fully and totally hetero. It's just that the object of that hetero attraction changes depending on which side is doing the looking....
The science of attraction is way beyond my basic understanding of biological drives, and thus I don't actually have an answer. Just thinking out loud while my report prints out!
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Thus, as a gg, on the few times I've played with other gg's, I found the same-ness to be less than satisfying. (And yes, they did know what they were doing -- it was just - uh - that they were the same as me).
Also, my sweetie's male side is completely attracted to women - i.e. fully hetero. His femme side is also completely hetero and thus attracted to men. No, this is not some bi-copout. It is what it is - both sides of him, which are not very integrated, are fully and totally hetero. It's just that the object of that hetero attraction changes depending on which side is doing the looking....
The science of attraction is way beyond my basic understanding of biological drives, and thus I don't actually have an answer. Just thinking out loud while my report prints out!
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I agree with Georgia.
Also, many prefer not to use labels, but then again, many feel better when they can categorize things.
For example some M2F TS's who are attracted to women simply suggest that they are lesbians while others made up the term --transbian--.
Then there are those who suggest transbian means M2F attracted to another M2F, or F2M/F2M relationship.
Terms are usually made up when the definition of known terms doesn't seem to fit the bill.
However, at large, anyone seeing one woman (M2F) in a relationship with another woman (GG or M2F) will usually defer to the term lesbian.
Also, many prefer not to use labels, but then again, many feel better when they can categorize things.
For example some M2F TS's who are attracted to women simply suggest that they are lesbians while others made up the term --transbian--.
Then there are those who suggest transbian means M2F attracted to another M2F, or F2M/F2M relationship.
Terms are usually made up when the definition of known terms doesn't seem to fit the bill.
However, at large, anyone seeing one woman (M2F) in a relationship with another woman (GG or M2F) will usually defer to the term lesbian.
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If I may? (Oh, thanks Georgia, your, your well, your one hellofa woman!)
Anyway, on tv some time ago was a scientific show about human sexuality and it puts the fault of GG's and their complexity. It tried to define what their mindset/emotional/hormonal discretion is when they are ovulating. Marriage and obligating oneself to just one person is more of a social ital requirement than biological. Men on the other hand, as Jeff Foxworthy says are simple souls, all they want "is a cold beer and to see something naked!" Well actually to impregnate as many females as they can just like in the wild and the males who "collect" entire harems of females and will fight to the death to breed. Humans claim to have evolved beyond that, but scrape away the civility and BINGO! Animals!!!!
There are latent homosexuals in the "animal kingdom" as well, we as homo-sapiens are just much more sophocated and can with the use of medical and psychological science breakdown "those of us" who are "different" into more and varied categories and who knows what the future holds. It is my considered opinion that gays and lesbians are real and that we, whoever we are, TG/TS/ or any of the myriad of names we are assigned or assign to ourselves, i.e., Virginia is a NOTS = non-operative transsexual. All this only point out that humans are a very complex lot, well all of us but the "pure" heterosexual male as he only wants "a cold beer and to see something naked."
"Carry on straight people!"
Virginia
Anyway, on tv some time ago was a scientific show about human sexuality and it puts the fault of GG's and their complexity. It tried to define what their mindset/emotional/hormonal discretion is when they are ovulating. Marriage and obligating oneself to just one person is more of a social ital requirement than biological. Men on the other hand, as Jeff Foxworthy says are simple souls, all they want "is a cold beer and to see something naked!" Well actually to impregnate as many females as they can just like in the wild and the males who "collect" entire harems of females and will fight to the death to breed. Humans claim to have evolved beyond that, but scrape away the civility and BINGO! Animals!!!!
There are latent homosexuals in the "animal kingdom" as well, we as homo-sapiens are just much more sophocated and can with the use of medical and psychological science breakdown "those of us" who are "different" into more and varied categories and who knows what the future holds. It is my considered opinion that gays and lesbians are real and that we, whoever we are, TG/TS/ or any of the myriad of names we are assigned or assign to ourselves, i.e., Virginia is a NOTS = non-operative transsexual. All this only point out that humans are a very complex lot, well all of us but the "pure" heterosexual male as he only wants "a cold beer and to see something naked."
"Carry on straight people!"
Virginia
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Hi sisters,
Here's my best guess (the hormone roulette being always an unknown). I could say if I transitioned I would be lesbian. But let me put it in plain words that aren't labels.
With me it's simply feelings. Feelings about women vs. feelings about men. The truth of the matter is, I cannot imagine past my own need and desire to love women.
Regardless which gender I happen to be, women are really the only people I'm interested in for bonding. For various reasons I find men both threatening and boring. Companions at times, possibly friends (that's conflicted), but certainly not love objects, physically or emotionally.
So I would love women and only women. Put me in that third of the statistics.
Love, Robyn
Here's my best guess (the hormone roulette being always an unknown). I could say if I transitioned I would be lesbian. But let me put it in plain words that aren't labels.
With me it's simply feelings. Feelings about women vs. feelings about men. The truth of the matter is, I cannot imagine past my own need and desire to love women.
Regardless which gender I happen to be, women are really the only people I'm interested in for bonding. For various reasons I find men both threatening and boring. Companions at times, possibly friends (that's conflicted), but certainly not love objects, physically or emotionally.
So I would love women and only women. Put me in that third of the statistics.
Love, Robyn
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