High School... Were you a loser?

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High School... Were you a loser?

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Damn, that topic sounds mean.... Not intended though......

I was thinking about my personal insecurities and my time in Middle and High School always comes knocking.....

I was a total choad :cry: in school.... 6 feet tall, 115 lbs, totally straight hair, with a bowl cut..... picked last for every team in gym class.... with the personallity of a boiled stick.... :roll:

I think the reticule and abuse I experienced in this portion of my life still effects me today... Actually I know it does.... :twisted:

I was curious how all you spent this portion of your life.....

I feel it makes me insecure, it makes me hate the "pretty people", the "cool people", the "normal people".... it makes me judge people wrongly, but it often makes me judge people correctly...

Well, rambling is setting in... I better stop....

Your thoughts......
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Chrissy,

A "choad" is a smuck, a twit, a dingelbert, a smarthy waste of space.... That is my defination.. there are others...

Here is one I found on the net...

choad

/chohd/ n. Synonym for `penis' used in alt.tasteless and
popularized by the denizens thereof. They say: "We think maybe it's
from Middle English but we're all too damned lazy to check the OED."
[I'm not. It isn't. --ESR] This term is alleged to have been
inherited through 1960s underground comics, and to have been
recently sighted in the Beavis and Butthead cartoons. Speakers of
the Hindi, Bengali and Gujarati languages have confirmed that
`choad' is in fact an Indian vernacular word equivalent to `f__k';
it is therefore likely to have entered English slang via the British
Raj.
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In highschool I would not say I was popular though I did know just about everyone. It was a small school for a large city. I was a cadet for our AFJROTC corp. When the show Freeks and Geeks came out I thought it was about my friends. My friends are the ones that got me into Renaissance Faires. So we stood out quite a bit. Oddly I was more brave in highschool as for St. Patricks day I wore a kilt and my faire garb.
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Post by Shannon »

I agree with you totally Francine... "The world is f--ked up".... yeah okay..... I ain't right either... but back to my point.... I am what I am and I am now happy with it....

I really don't care what others think of me... which is probablly why I am at the same Engineering level after 8 years with the same company.... They have caught on that I am good, but not "management material"....

I say... not "their" type of management material....

Okay... damn... I had a point here to make and I totally lost it.... Can't remeber it now....

But thanks for the thoughts Francine...

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Does anybody else care to share their high school times????

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this portion of one's life really effects how they develop and grow.

Anybody????
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Hi Shannon,

Sure, I'll bite. I'm not exactly sure how the educational system works down there, but up here, high school happens to you (to put it mildly) between the ages of 13 and 17.

I wouldn't say I was a loser in high school; I did have some friends and wasn't as withdrawn as I was in grade school. Mostly, people (especially the "beautiful people") didn't know what to make of me. So they usually approached me very warily; I rarely approached anyone on my own--it's as though I felt I didn't need anyone really. (Hey, you condition yourself to be alone, it tends to stick with you for quite some years... )

A big difficulty for me (and my little brother went through exactly the same thing--I was fiercely protective of him) is that, in grade school, I never really made any friends, and the few that I had were all anglophones (that's how we usually refer to English speakers up here). I was only 5 or 6 when we moved to Montreal from Ontario, where most people speak English. The result of all this being that, in my first year of high school, I was awash in a sea of francophones. Even though we spoke French also, my little bro and I often took beatings for being "blokes" and "squareheads." Not conducive to the desire to be welcomed into the "in crowd," I swear. So I remained aloof, and I trace my strong stoic streak to those days.

While most around me were preoccupied with the opposite sex, recreational drugs, beer, and tiny, everyday rebellions, I busied myself reading psychiatry textbooks, gazing at the stars (my father had bought me a telescope), criss-crossing the Old Port on solitary walks, drawing and writing, and, oh yeah, crossdressing in secret. Did I fit in? Not on your life! Was I an outcast? No, not that either.

You're right, Shannon, when you say that much of what we go through at that time affects who we are today. The one link I see most clearly is my ability to feel comfortable with, well, with anyone, really. During my last couple of years in high school, and though I rarely approached others, I became the "accepting friend and confidante" of many people, from the popular girls, who felt I wasn't a threat to them and needed to vent their frustration at not being seen for who they were, to the erstwhile bullies who used to beat me up and were now discovering I wasn't a bad sort after all, never stooled on them, never complained, never let their antics bother me. This "openness without reaching" I exhibited in those years had many people puzzled and ill at ease in my presence. They couldn't peg me--and I didn't care one way or the other.

That still holds true today; I've spent the better part of three hours on a downtown street with "Eddie," a local homeless man (formerly an architect for a Toronto firm), listening to him read the latest chapter from the "novel" he was currently writing in his tattered notebook only to then grab a cab and go meet with the top brass of the company I worked for at the time--and feel entirely relaxed and at my complete ease in both instances. This ability I picked up in high school, and I'm very thankful for it; it's opened many doors and allowed me to discover many different people in my life that I perhaps wouldn't have, otherwise. In other words, high school taught me, not just biology, history, or algebra, but simply that human is human.

Maybe it wasn't so much high school experiences that taught me this as the fact that those were the years in my life where I so much needed someone to love and understand and accept me--so much so that I couldn't even consider wanting those things for myself without being willing to give them back in return. There were many painful experiences in high school (in more ways than one); and I do believe the sages have it right when they say that suffering always has something to teach us about the need to be compassionate and sympathetic to the plight of others. I was always laughed at for trying to defend nerds, wimps, and underdogs (that is, when it wasn't me against six schoolyard thugs, despite my size and bulk). Otherwise, as I've said, I usually remained, well, a bit distant.

So, Shannon, to answer your question (and a good one it is--not mean), no, I don't think I was a loser in high school. Not in my own eyes, anyway. I know that, more than likely, many others did. But why would I have let that bother me? They were all Moes (for those of you familiar with the Calvin & Hobbes comic strip). :wink:

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I wonder how many people enjoy high school at all, other than the "glory days" types--and even them?

I wasn't a loser, exactly, in high school, but hardly with the in crowd, either. I had a few close friends, and actually ended up closest with a group of kids from the adjoining town. I had more problems with bullies, etc. in junior high. Later, they mostly ignored me, except I sort of became the school photographer for the local paper and later for the yearbook, so most students knew who I was and I got along well enough. I was pretty lonely a lot of the time, but think a lot of people were. It was all very tribal, and you were either an ititiate or you weren't and there was nothing you could do about it.
The best times--and here I go fitting the sterotype--were in drama club. I loved the whole process--the rehearsals, the performance, the makeup (natch!) And we all bonded somewhat, though I saw few of them after graduation.
One irony from those days: I was one of the few boys who liked to dance, but, being short, skinny, and not part of the clique, I had a hard time getting girls to dance with me. The cool girls wouldn't be caught dead with someone not in with the in crowd, and many of the uncool girls, struggling with their own efforts to fit in, couldn't dance with 'losers' like us.
Even without the particular struggles those of on this forum faced, high school can be a pretty mean and nasty place.
Okay, now that the memories are coming back, I'm starting to vent. I'll stop here, with a line from The Boss:
We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school.

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Hi Shannon and all. Ok. To begin with, my highschool was small, unlike many of yours. There were only 43 in our graduating class, and that was everyone we started with but for one who dropped our her junior year and got married (those were the days when that's what you did when you found yourself pregnant). As a result of the small size, and the result of few jobs other than seasonal farm work for teens, all who wanted to work usually worked together. Bullies were at a minimum, and sooner or later were summarily dealt with by acclaimation. The social structure was clearly defined. It tended to be boys, girls, and others. There were four "others" in our class, and me. One retired a two star general from the Air Force, one is a nuclear engineer by way of the Navy and nuke subs, one is a bartender with 6 ex wives, one who owned his own business from the time he was 15, selling and building on the profits from a succession, now has a string of Sonics and two Dinner Clubs in two metropolitan areas to keep him amused. And then there is me.

We had a 60 minute lunch hour. After eating, the real boys of the junior and senior classes (you know, the JOCKS and their sycophants) would drape themselves decoratively around the cars, under the shade trees next to the street. The girls would gather under the shelter of the shaded entryway, and the "others" would sit where they could and watch with supercilious amusement (and maybe secret yearning to be part of the action). The younger set were gathered at other places in the school yard.

While the boys borrowed the glamour of the cars to enhance their own desirability, whether they owned a car or not. The girls would clump together in groups of 4-6 and perform a slow shuffling circle dance, usually clockwise, so that each would have a turn to observe the decoratively draped males at the cars without seeming to do so. Periodically, a girl would have an attack of insecurity, and would separate herself from the pack and move toward the guys. Her current squeeze would separate himself from the boys, meet her part way, engage in earnest discussion, end with a quick little peck or squeeze, and each would return to their places with everyone reminded that they were a item and HANDS OFF. :o

I tended to the withdrawn, but projected an amicable, smiling exterior that seemed approachable, but rarely tried to have a conversation with any but the "others" whom I had known since gradeschool. I was a solid "C" student except in the classes I liked and was challenged in, then my grades were "A" s. Drove my elders and teachers mad, but that really wasn't my intent. In class, I looked out the window and daydreamed (or zoned out or thought of other things, take your pick), didn't volunteer anything unless I liked the class (History, English, Literature, composition, General Science (where you had applications to understand). Definitely not with the in crowd, really not with any crowd, but would participate to a limited extent in class projects (homecoming float, but not go to the game). Detested team sports, higher math, and physics. My grades and attitude improved when I began working at a grocery store after school. Had less time, had to focus more, less time for dreaming and thinking. I discovered I liked being around older people (some three or four years older) and had more in common with them in attitude than I did with my peers.

I finally gave in and went to my 40th class reunion. I was actually pleased and slightly surprised to see so many of my classmates had survived the years, but few have escaped without scars. It didn't take long for the first flush of enthusiasm to leave me. It had been 40 years but it was like we all fell back onto the relative roles and status we had "enjoyed" before. I was soon reduced to the "Hi, how are you? Good to see you. You're looking good." routine, and listening to them recount their adventures and peaks of personal triumph in highschool, none of which meant much to me as I wasn't there and not part of them. Basically, we had all continued with our lives, and other than the few shared fragments of the past, there was little basis for building any other relationship at this late date, and even less for me. I was glad to leave and return home, and I doubt that I will attend another "reunion".
So yes Shannon, I agree with you that our highschool years are formative and those attitudes can be enduring. It also seems you can "go home again" to a degree, but I think it not worth the trip.

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Hi Carolynn,

Awesome post! Thank you! It was a pleasure to read. There's a movie or a novelette somewhere in there...

Your own story was fun, too, Sara. You were one of those dancing boys, eh? Eeewwww, gross! Just kidding, love. :wink:

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Hi, Carolynn:

I agree with Christina--that was a great post. The last bit about reunions brought back similar memories for me. In particular, the last dance of the night, where I noted that those of us who had been pasted to the walls in high school were still there, wilted wallflowers.

Ah, yes, Christina, I was one of those yucky dancing boys. (If he likes to dance, he must be gay!) God, how I envied the girls who danced every dance, and could even dance with each other if no boys approached. Fortunately, college was much better, and I often danced the night away.

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Hi everyone :) , interesting post and would like to add my views. I was a loser in high school mostly because I was a loner and to this day hate the 4 years I put in school :cry: . My problem was I never fit into any group because I was never aloud to partake of any actives at school. I came from a single parent family and had to come home after school like a good boy. My mother worked in a large dept. store mixed hours all the time so if I was home I was out of trouble and safe. As a loner there was me, myself, and I which was what lead to my crossdressing ( a story I have only told to my wife ). Never been to a reunion and have no wish to do so. Sorry if my feeling are so negative only a deep feeling I have to this day. Carol Ann
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There is no problem with the negative. Your feelings are your own. If everyone had loved highschool there would not be as many teen movies about rebelling in HS.
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I am glad that I go to a school that has the some of the smartest people in the country and I fit in with them so I'm not an outcast though I was in grade school. In grade school I was teased and picked on all the time because I was a smart kid and I was the first one to raise my hand and the first to give the teacher presents...okay I was the teachers pet...also for grades 3-6 I was "The Yank" because I came from the US (the best place in the world.) Did I say that out loud oops!! =P

I hope that this doesnt jinx me now after all I still have to finish high school ;)

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Post by Charlene »

The losers wouldn't hang around with me in high school.
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lol Charlene!!! :)

If you've ever seen Sixteen Candles, I was like Anthony Micheal Hall. I was appointed as the spokesman for the geeks because I got to hang out with the "popular people", the stoners, the jocks, the goth crowd, blacks, whites, and spanish people and my fellow geeks. :) I was in the "popular guys" service club and the geeks service club. I was the only one who managed to get away with that. My other geek friends who tried were denied. :?

I was an ambassador in school and could often keep people from gettting their butts kicked after school. :)

I was also able to negotiate not having my butt kicked a few times. :) When those negotiations broke down, I always had a bodyguard. \:D/ My bodyguards came in handy on more than one occassion. O:)

Just like the character in the movie, I never got a date, but had all the hot girls home phone numbers :) (naturally it was to talk only) :P

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