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Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:58 pm
by Lacey Hadley
I have been watching numerous t-girls Youtube channels in recent weeks, enjoying learning a bit about their lives as they post on Youtube. It has been quite interesting and even quite entertaining. Like all people, trans girls are all over the map on their lives and journeys. Some are very extroverted almost narcissistic, others more down to earth and laid back. Some are very political, others less so. Some very feminine, others not so much. Often the topic of passing or being 'clocked' or 'read' comes up and these girls all respond in each their own way. Many feel knocked down, others wisely just push on through.

So along with cders who dress up fully en femme, tgers live en femme the issue of passing comes to mind, so I was thinking, what does passing mean to you? It could be as a cder who may dress fully en femme, as a cder who only partially dresses and has no intention to pass but has thoughts on the subject, to tgers who live as such and to wives or S.O's of cders or tgers.

To me the point of passing is in a perfect world, one where you are dressed and presenting yourself as the gender you desire as a cder or live as a tger would be to not be clocked, read, seen as a cder or tger. To be able to walk about and function in society as any other genetic woman may be, be she blended in or even more flamboyant. But in reality that may not always be possible for all who cd fully en femme or live as tger's. Some cders or tgers are more able to present themselves as the gender they desire, others less so, but that does not mean they don't pass.

I feel passing is not just about not being noticed as a cder or tger, but conducting oneself, dressing oneself as proper as one can to the gender they wish the world to see. As such they will be totally treated as the gender they appear, even if others in society clock or read them as either a cder or a tger. Passing is being treated as the gender you express yourself as.

Most people in daily society are lost in their own world and likely will not see a properly conducting cder or tger, nor will they much care even if reading or clocking them either. Passing is conducting yourself as any genetic person would in the same life situation, be you a cder or tger. Even if read or clocked society will if you conduct yourself like those around you will result in you passing anyways. If you are read or clocked and then make a big issue over it, will not likely help you.

Yes, in society there are idiots, *itches and a**holes who may whisper under breathe or within your ear shot and even mock any read or clocked cders or tgers. SUCH IS LIFE! All people at times deal with idiots, *itches and a**holes even as 'regular' folks. Very pretty genetic girls deal with it. Very handsome men deal with it. People seen as living unhealthy lives deal with it. Homely people deal with it, handicapped people deal with it, elderly people deal with it. Idiots, *itches and a**holes. can be around any corner, behind any door and will often feed on people they see as not like them or 'normal'. AGAIN SUCH IS LIFE! Walk away from these people when in public or if you can even minimize them if they are in your life (may be harder as such to do I realize that). We all choose to be victims of such attitudes by some people in life. We can go cry in a corner, we can feed their idiot/ignorant lust to hurt you, me, or by lashing out, or we can just move on. Win by being yourself and true to yourself!

Passing is not only the desire to not be read or clocked, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL!!! But is to be treated as the gender you present yourself in society.

One last point about passing and honesty that is more of a concern for a tgers. Some of the tgers I have seen and I enjoy seeing their videos on Youtube, bring up dating or hooking up most often mtf's and with straight males. They sometimes will post as to feeling hurt by a straight male who was looking like he was enjoying them and did not or could not tell if the girl they are with is a tger, then get upset when that bridge is later crossed. What did you expect? Especially if time was invested without sharing this important detail? It's not only about you as a trans girls here, the guy may have been totally into you but you were not up front or damn close to such tell him this. This is a betrayal to these males, sorry but that is true.

As a dude and yes a cder who loves to dress fully en femme and as such I can be a so girlie, I'd though in my life would not have any issue dating a trans woman, who was clicking well with me. BUT THAT IS JUST ME! Many males will date or even go into a relationship with a trans woman, as long as she is not bat *hit crazy or not upfront with these men. Dudes of sound mind do not like dating genetic women who are bat *hit crazy or more, why would they want to do similar with a trans woman? Being upfront and honest will better get you the man who is confident enough to date and love a happy well adjusted trans girl, again in my mind/life I would. :laptop: :coffee: :sigh:

OBTW, dating, relations and such can be hard for MOST people, being a trans woman is another layer but again many guys would date trans girls, but not want to date liars or nuts. :nuh_uh:

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:08 am
by Ms. Erin
Personally I don't like the word "passing". I like to use "blending".

With passing it's like letting the other person judge you, instead of you blending in.

However I don't pass as female, as a openly out visible transwoman, yes. I gave up on using make-up for 3/4 of a year now, as I have facial electrolysis every Wednesday, and therefore I can not shave 3 out of 4 days of the week. I don't want to risk any issues with applying makeup on my face after the procedure, so that leaves only 3 days out of the week I could apply it. However on my work I can't wear makeup, so I kind of gave up on it. Therefore I will be visible as a transwoman. Until I am clear of facial hair, I will not blend in as a woman.

I am doing all I can to one day blend in completely, including voice therapy, then I will be a woman of trans experience.

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:08 am
by Alisa
Idk about passing... I just what my efforts to be appreciated. Even though I probably don't hit the mark all of the time, it's hard work being or at least trying to be beautiful! If one is dressed nicely and behave appropriately and others are respectful what more do you need? Afterall I'm not trying to fool anyone - is that what passing means?

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:14 am
by KimberlyS
I am agree with both Lacey and with Erin on this. My goal when out and about is not passing but blending. My goal when out and about is just to be able to go about my business as another person of society.
Lacey Hadley wrote: I feel passing is not just about not being noticed as a cder or tger, but conducting oneself, dressing oneself as proper as one can to the gender they wish the world to see. As such they will be totally treated as the gender they appear, even if others in society clock or read them as either a cder or a tger. Passing is being treated as the gender you express yourself as.
I personally do not even care about the being accepted as the gender I am presenting. I just want to be accepted as a person of society. I know many can not relate to this or like it, but I am a guy no matter how I am dressed. If I am presenting a male image, a feminine image or a mixed image to the world, I am a guy. I really do not care if others know I am a guy when out and about presenting a feminine image to the world. Yes I do try to present my best feminine image to the world when I am out and about presenting a nice feminine image. But if others know I am male, I just want to be accepted as a just another decent person of society. Nothing else other than to do what I need to do when out and about and maybe have some fun.

My goal is to some day to be able to leave my house in any mode, seeing anyone as I come, go, and interact with; and to be in any presentation, male, enfemme, or mixed mode; and not be seen as any differently or treated as any differently. Example would be to be doing things around the house in a skirt, femme top and sneakers, no makeup or wig, and need something from the hardware store and just run out and get it without it being an issue. Or to have the option to attend a wedding in full enfemme attire, or skip the makeup and wig to go as my male self nicely shaved in a dress and pumps. 8) But I know many cringe at the thought of a guy in a dress look. #-o But IMHO if the outfit is nicely put together, clean shave and combed hair, the presentation is nice. I will keep my scruffy face, tee shirt, jean skirt and work boots look at the hardware stores. :P

I agree a lot with Lacey, but take the gender out of it. We whine and talk about binary gender and talk about the gender spectrum. Take gender out of it and just be yourself, be a person of society. For myself personally I am guy with both masculine and feminine traits. I like to clothe my male self in a mix of masculine and feminine clothes. Some times I look more masculine, sometimes I look more feminine, some times I am dressed in a mix.
Lacey Hadley wrote:Most people in daily society are lost in their own world and likely will not see a properly conducting cder or tger, nor will they much care even if reading or clocking them either. Passing is conducting yourself as any genetic person would in the same life situation, be you a cder or tger. Even if read or clocked society will if you conduct yourself like those around you will result in you passing anyways.
As for the idiots, *itches and a**holes I hate to say they are a general part of society and have nothing to do with being TG/CD. It is just being TG/CD just gives them something else to pick on you with. The best thing I have found to do with these people is just ignore then and they go away. Most of them just have a big month and want attention and get it by making fun or picking on others. Ignoring them does not give them the reaction they want and become quickly bored.

kimberlys cd
joe in a skirt

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:16 am
by Victoria K.
I like the word blending also. Being a transgender it means a lot for me to just be excepted and loved as the woman I am.Have not had any issues of not passing yet! so I can not really say how I would handle it. Hopefully if it happens I will just ignore it and move on. Knowing who you are is very important and when you do then nothing anyone says about you can hurt you.

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:57 am
by Hanna
I beginning to see it's all about attitude, and being a good person.
I do think, IMHO, if you are presenting your fem side you should do your best : ie--don't out with a beard shadow, unshaved legs, etc. If you're going to show you are female, perform the part as best you can.

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:58 pm
by DonnaT
Means someone is legally blind ;)

Re: Passing... what does it mean to you?

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:55 am
by Anne Bonny
I do not really go out, I have a few times but I have certainly been "dressed" when hospice staff or the sitter is here for my wife and with some others. At 60 after a lifetime I am comfortable but really do not find any strong desire to carry myself out into public. I pass well enough to myself, I am not sure what those around me really really think inside their head about what they are seeing in front of them but they have never been negative but accepting and matter of fact and positive about who I am. In public!? That would be another thing entirely, and it really depends quite a lot on my state of mind. The fact is I am not female, but I dress and style myself in a feminine way...hair length and style, make up, grooming.... Seems what is most important is When I am styling feminine...do I look just as nice as I do when I am feeling masculine and am styled nice as a man. That is the real key to this. I don't want to look strange but to look better or good however I am dressed. If I am at ease and comfortable and I am really pleased with my appearance that should be all that matters. I mean people may see you are feminine, while at the same time see also you are probably male...should that really matter? If you are dressed like some drag queen with red eye shadow and green mascara...you are going to really stand out as unusual rather than blending into the mainstream. If you are wearing current clothing that is nice looking, correct for you age and your gender then that should be all that really matters. If you dress to stand out like a sore thumb and are very ill at ease with yourself that will make you stand out all the more.

So be real and relax and I bet you will fit right in unless you are in the wrong location...Hick town, Islamic neighborhood, very religious and conservative area.... There will always be backside holes or people who are disapproving or shocked because they have no experience with who we are.

Question is am I not comfortable with being who I am? Thing is my gender is just different a lot of the time it is in sync with my sex and that's fine...as this morning, but at other times it inexplicably moves over so that the "who I am" is on the feminine side of the spectrum and when I feel that way....well I feel the need and desire to be consistent in how I am dressed. Complicating this is sexuality....though separate it is very confusing and can play a role or not. I just feel different at times and when I do well I want to wear what is appropriate with where my gender happens to be, otherwise it really really begins to bother me so I have to dress according to where my gender happens to be or I can't feel relaxed. I really hate angst inside that is pent up and driving me to change but I resist it so unless I for some reason feel I must hide my gender I will change. Can't help it it is just how we happen to be.