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I have been online since 1994 and although a new member here I have met in real life and in cyberspace a reasonable number of fellow crossdressers. One trait I have found is that as a group, we all seem to be highly intelligent - maybe this is a pre-requisit to having a good imagination.

I myself have a honours degree in Engineering and was invited to join Mensa. I declined that as I'm not that elitist.

What are your thoughts and impressions about this. I am curious to see if you think I'm right.

Thank you for listening to me.

Susan

I would suspect that it has more to do with other aspects of our lives. Less intelligent crossdressers probably travel in other venues even within the CD community.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear for example that we are over represented in the prison system with a possible reason being that an inabilty to resolve inner conflicts can lead to a lot of problems dealing with other societal rules not to mention drug problems which are a good way to run afoul of the criminal justice system. But those people aren't comng here and we aren't meeting them.

I have also read that we are very over represented in the military

Absaroka

Susan,
Guess I would agree with my sister's statements, but I will also reinforce your interpertation --- from all that I have read and studied, YES! we do tend to be on the up side of, if you will. intelligence. I will say that (and don't everyone go nuts on me ) I know the times that I have had my IQ measured - high 130's - I was a Naval aviator and attended graduate schools at University of Tennessee and Florida State and if you see some of the "resumes" of your sisters here - Dr's in various fields of endeavor. Yeah I know it goes like this _ BS = we all know know what BS means!
MS = More of the Same and PhD = Piled Higher and Deeper! but it remains ---------Yeah! we are smart but we are also nice folk too!
Keep the faith, honey!!
Virginia

We are in all walks of life, and it just seems that way proabaly because of the inability to get online, among other personal conflicts.

And some of the things I've heard or seen others do that are online, well, lets just say I question their intelligence

We are as diverse as the rest of humanity which I love. It so nice to meet you all and I praise you all for who you are.

The Internet has been a real blessing for us all. I never knew others like me existed before I got online. I', very glad to be a member of such a lovely bunch of people.

HUGS to you all

Susan

I am not in the group of high intelligence, I am a high school drop out.

I think what Donna says has something to do with it. people with lower intelligence might not have the means or the know how to get online.

But when I go out, I meet others like myself, T-girls who had a rough time during their school years that they were forced to drop out of school. Their gender problems also gave them problems at school so leaving school was an option they were forced to take. Some of these T-girls that I met also had a tough time in the job market so they became prostitutes. And these types of T-girls don't generally go online or one doesn't really meet these kinds of T-girls on a "normal" setting. Also some of these types of T-girls don't live all that long.

Amelie,
Honey, if you won't say it I will -- a piece of paper or sitting in some lecture hall listening to some ill informed self-absorbed "blowhard" does not make one intelligent. Your life experiences and your ability to relate them to us have had a much more postitive affect on a lot of your sisters than you have been give credit for. You are articulate, informed, well-mannered and you are aware, that to me exudes intelligence and you impress me, honey, for whatever that is worth! I have tried to piece together a lot of what you have been through - a lot of us could not have made it!
We are proud to have you as a contributing member of this forum!
Love ya,
Virginia

Amelie wrote:

I am not in the group of high intelligence, I am a high school drop out.

Amelie, my dear - - do not ever think that just because you dropped out of high school that you are not of 'high intelligence'!! If you were not of high intelligence, you would not have survived everything that you have had thrust on you. Weaker and less intelligent people would not have survived or probably would have just 'given up' - - but not you!!

I don't want to hear you putting yourself down again, Amelie - you're too beautiful and intelligent for that! Have I made myself clear? Great!



- SL

I agree with Virginia and SilverLady, Amelie.

Amelie I have to echo that education and intelligence are two different things. And you didn't survive as long as you have by being unintelligent.

I was greatful for your comments about other sides of CDing and atypical gender/sexuality.

However that is not to contradict my earlier stance that we don't come in all sizes, shapes and IQ's Lets not fall into the trap of thinking what we wear is a sign that we are smarter than any one else.

Absaroka

Thanks for your words of support girls, but I didn’t mean to make my post looking for these words of yours. I was only trying to add to what Donna and others have said that we Cds come from many different backgrounds and have many different styles and levels of education. This in my opinion is what makes us so great, society can’t pin a certain label on us, we are all different in some way, we are all unique with a style all our own, and this is shown here at this forum. But I will say one thing most of us have in common, we have the same caring feeling towards each other that is not always seen in the general public. And when I say we, I mean the T-girls, the Ggs and the others that frequent this forum.

Well said Amelie

Absaroka

Hi girls,

I really want to echo what my sisters here have said. I agree with all of it and just wanted to spend a minute talking about intelligence. I am more concerned about who is intelligent.

Standdard IQ tests are scewed towards white males of European heritage, primarilly because that is who writes these tests. There are clear differences in how womens and mens brains work, the tests are almost all geared towards the strengths of male brain structure, making it appear men are more intelligent.

Other aspects of these tests have to do with accumulated knowledge and problem solving experience, more than raw problem solving brain power, that have nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence.

And of course these tests are very picky about what kind of intelligence they allegedly measure. What about emotiional intelligence? There are those who seem to have this third sense about deciphering the emotional responses of other people. The ability to predict this behavior allows certain people to have charisma, an intangible.

Or what about those with musical genious? People who seem born to play any instrument. Have the ability to arrange and play extremely emotional and thought provoking music?

I just want to close by saying that I do not have any faith whatsoever that IQ tests do anything whatsoever to measure real intelligence. I am not sure such a test is possible, or necessary. I learned long ago to keep my ears open and not label people. Even the person who may be deemed the least smart, in any given peer group, can have a brilliant idea, moment, or other special knowledge not possessed by the rest of the peer group.

That being the case, intelligent quotients become useless in labeling others or helping to create or maintain a caste system.

Love always,
Elizabeth

I have to second Silver Lady. High intelligence and high education do not necessarily correspond. I work in a degree-intensive field. A Bachelors is required and most of my co-workers have Masters Degrees (including myself). All that does is make you more educated, not more intelligent.

Also, we need to distinguish between intelligence and wisdom.

I would certainly agree with many of the comments above. Intelligence and education are not intertwined. The nice thing about being transgendered is that it is not discriminating. Regardless of any particular area of mainstream society who chastises people like us, there is almost certainly someone in that very group who is likely to be one of us too. Anyone from any walk of life can be transgendered and that makes our community very unique. I would agree there seems to be a higher representation of professionals among our community but I believe that has more to do with personal means than a natural phenomenom. I have met and seen many girls out in the community struggling to make a life for themselves but are simply not in a financial position to spend money hanging out at restaurants, bars or other places. Those I've met have been very nice people and it's always nice to meet them and learn about their experiences and how they live. Not always pretty but that's the reality of life. Most of us are fortunate to be able to indulge our 'TG ness' and have fun doing it among friends. Not everyone is that lucky so I remain ever cognizant of that and thankful for what I've got.

Stephanie