Boots on top of jeans

SophieLawson · Post by **SophieLawson** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:32 pm

I was in town yesterday and saw this girl with knee high boots over her jeans. It looked soo cool when I got home I tried it. It shouldn't work, I don't think it should, but it looks sooo cool.

Not only that it feels so femme, I dont know why. I just wondered if anyone else had tried this? If not, go try lol You'll wearing the jeans and boots all night I bet ya

Sophie xx

Lorna · Post by **Lorna** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:15 pm

Girls used to tuck their jeans inside their boots back in the late 80s... it's making a comeback!

Jaye · Post by **Jaye** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:15 am

It depends on the style of the boots, and what sort of pants you're wearing. Most boots are meant to go under one's jeans, hence the term "boot-cut", but there are exceptions. I started wearing boots outside my pants in college, when I was doing medieval recreation, and the style stuck with me later in life. I saw in girl in Walmart last weekend wearing jodhpur-style pants tucked into over-the-knee boots. They weren't quite thigh-high, more like a musketeer style. In any case, it looked good.

Curly(SO) · Post by **Curly(SO)** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:45 am

Yes, I just read that in a magazine yesterday, that look is in again. Great for long-legged slim hipped girls, but being of the short legged curved hip persuasion, I will stick to my boot cuts over v.high heel boots...gives the illusion that I'm at least four inches taller (and yes I do get jealous of you slim hipped girls being able to wear any style you want)!

BTW, who watches Susannah and Trinny's 'What Not To Wear'? I love that programme, but my hubby and daughter groan, then disappear when I have it on

Love,
Curly(SO)

SophieLawson · Post by **SophieLawson** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:29 am

"What not to wear", Curly, I have seen that a few times but I find them two girls a bit rude. I might watch the next one cos it was cool

I just forget it's on. The boots over the jeans that I liked were the ones that have ruffles on them.

Sophie xx

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:21 am

Hi Sophie,

I love that look too. I was also envisioning the ruffled jeans look.

I'm glad Lorna and Curly said the look is coming back!

Beauty

Jamie Ann · Post by **Jamie Ann** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:55 pm

It is interesting that we are saying that jeans are feminine. Personally, I do agree, but I would point out that there are those who think that only mini-skirts, fishnet stockings, and 7" heels are the proper look. In my case, I find cute shoes, jeans, and a t-shirt to be very feminine.

Curly(SO) · Post by **Curly(SO)** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:43 am

The right cut of jeans to suit your figure is very feminine IMO! A tight fitting top, high heels and a few accessories, make jeans very feminine

SophieLawson · Post by **SophieLawson** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:14 am

Jamie Ann wrote:It is interesting that we are saying that jeans are feminine. Personally, I do agree, but I would point out that there are those who think that only mini-skirts, fishnet stockings, and 7" heels are the proper look. In my case, I find cute shoes, jeans, and a t-shirt to be very feminine.

I think womens jeans are a million miles better then boyjeans, they are tighter, make you feel sexy, they have a nice shape to them and the low rinse (I think they are called I dunno) ones are damnnn sexy

Also, girls can have so many differnet styles of jeans, low hip ones (my fav lol), 3/4 length ones, baggy, tight, frilly bits on, pink checks on... boys can have either baggy or slightly tight! borrringgggggggg lol

Sophie xx

Kristen · Post by **Kristen** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:38 am

I'm so not with it. I never knew that boots over jeans went out of style, I've been doing since my first buy of boots in 72'. Never went out back then but I have always thought it was very fem, then and now. I wear boots over dress pants with the right style, color and jacket. Now that it's getting colder I like it even more. ............ Kristen

Jaye · Post by **Jaye** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:53 am

SophieLawson wrote:I think womens jeans are a million miles better then boyjeans, they are tighter, make you feel sexy, they have a nice shape to them and the low rise (I think they are called I dunno) ones are damnnn sexy

Also, girls can have so many differnet styles of jeans, low hip ones (my fav lol), 3/4 length ones, baggy, tight, frilly bits on, pink checks on... boys can have either baggy or slightly tight! borrringgggggggg lol

Sophie xx

With women's jeans, there seems to be more of a variety of style. There are plain jeans for everyday use, and then there are the fancy ones, meant more for dressing up or clubbing or whatever.

Men's jeans, on the other hand, are harder to dress up. You have to do more in the way of "accessorizing" to make them more than they are. My favorite "drab" outfit is a nice jewel-tone shirt (sapphire blue or emerald green), fitted black jeans and a pair of boots. It works for clubbing or a nice dinner.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:46 pm

Hi sophie,

Yes, it is retro. Check out the picture. This is my band in 1981, the girl is my sister. Look at her boots. Man how I loved those boots, I still dream about them.

I have always loved the look and I am glad to see it is back

Love always,
Elizabeth

CJ · Post by CJ » Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:36 pm

Hi all,

Yes, I like the look, too. My first contact with boots came when I was about 7 or 8 years old. They were white, stretchy, zipperless, knee-high boots in a crinkly (but oh so snug!) vinyl, with 3" heels. They belonged to a "caretaker" who lived with us for a time. Boy, I must've slipped those on (over pantyhose) every day for some months, back then!

I've always liked boots and I own a few pairs. In the wintertime, I try to wear knee-high, side-zippered, leather, flat-heeled ones while out and about in boy mode. Of course, I wear them under my jeans. I remember one day, last winter, going to my office thinking I'll be the only one there (normally we're alone during our half-day a week at the office); I was wearing women's boots. When I got to the office, two of my colleagues and a client were already there! Egad!

I immediately went to the bathroom, just off the entrance in the hallway, pulled off my boots, hid them underneath our gym equipment bag, and put on a pair of socks I pulled out from my backpack (I carry these--as well as regular jockey shorts--with me whenever I'm "underdressed" or in "pantyhose and painted toes mode," especially when I'm heading to the office... you never know!). Nobody noticed anything.

I like women's jeans, too, and have worn them while in boy mode. That, however, people noticed. I'm a little on the plump side (about 25 lbs. overweight), and tight-fitting jeans (especially a Blue Notes pair given to me by an ex) tend to mold themselves around me and highlight my curvy rump. A colleague once asked me if I'd lost weight, ironically enough, as she stared at my tummy and hips. No, I hadn't. But I was wearing a tight all-in-one girdle and pantyhose underneath tight-fitting women's cut jeans, so I can see where she was coming from. Boy, this kind of situation makes my heart skip a beat! Of course, my colleagues would no longer be surprised by any of this, as they all now know of my CD'ing. But, still!

One thing I'm not sure how to handle yet is the, well, er, the... "vanishing manhood" problem.

Whenever I wear women's jeans (especially with a girdle underneath), my "crotchline" tends to flatten and smooth itself out. Not a problem? Yeah, in girl mode, maybe. In boy mode, I've gotten strange looks (I imagine, anyway) from people--women, mostly--who, after a quick glance "down there," couldn't make anything out, you know? Oh, the troubles my CD'ing puts me through!

As far as "boots over" or "boots under" a pair of jeans, I think, for me, it depends on both the look I'm trying to achieve as well as on the occasion I'm dressing for. I tend to associate "boots under" with the Country scene, for some reason. Like anything else about dressing up as a woman, to each her own, I guess.

I imagine Sophie will soon become our resident boots expert, eh?

You've found your passion, girl. Good for you!

Love,
CJ

Terri(SO) · Post by **Terri(SO)** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:01 pm

Okay, I know that this is off topic but CJ has brought something up that I need to ask about. . .

"One thing I'm not sure how to handle yet is the, well, er, the... "vanishing manhood" problem. Whenever I wear women's jeans (especially with a girdle underneath), my "crotchline" tends to flatten and smooth itself out. Not a problem? Yeah, in girl mode, maybe. In boy mode, I've gotten strange looks (I imagine, anyway) from people--women, mostly--who, after a quick glance "down there," couldn't make anything out, you know? Oh, the troubles my CD'ing puts me through! "

Isn't this what CD-ing is all about? making the manhood vanish, if only for a short time?

And how can you be in "boy-mode" if you are wearing girdles and women's jeans (which I read as cross-dressed)?

CJ, you joke about the "troubles" this has caused you, but could it be you may be intentionally(or subconsciously) trying to cause a reaction, to shock, even?

CJ · Post by CJ » Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:40 pm

Hi all,

MG,

That's pretty perceptive of you. I can't say I speak for all my sisters, here, but, for me, dressing androgynously and being crossdressed aren't the same thing. I'm crossdressed whenever there's a possibility of my being, at first glance, taken for a woman (well, from the neck down, at least). I'm dressed androgynously whenever there's a possibility of someone feeling slightly confused at my ambiguous appearance (and I don't mean just the clothes). For example, if I'm wearing women's slacks (no zipper, no pockets); a breezy blouse; plain, flat-heeled loafers with a low-cut riser; pantyhose visible at the ankle; if I wear this, along with a subtle, somewhat translucent nail polish and a touch of barely there makeup that's virtually unnoticeable, while simultaneouly making no effort to hide the fact that I'm a man (facial hair, "undelicate" gait, etc.), then I've entered into a bit of a "gender twilight zone" (a country first explored by the likes of gender activist Kate Bornstein). Now, that's androgynous dressing; it's something I rarely do (although I more often did, in the past). Underdressing is an entirely different matter.

I don't think it's ever the case that wearing feminine underwear is something we intend others to know. Certainly not consciously, anyway. Underdressing is maybe a more fetishistic aspect of crossdressing. After all, wearing a pair of panties or pantyhose doesn't contribute in any way to the realization of any wish we may have to present as women. No, it's a secret thing, this underdressing. It's a small comfort, a tenuous link to our perceived identity, as we move about in a world of dark cottons and denim.

I say you're perceptive, MG, because you hit the nail right on the head; I do dress to shock sometimes (although I think "shock" is too strong a word... maybe I dress to "surprise" people out of their gender complacency). Still, that day I went to the office, I was dressed in an way that was admittedly a little off, even for me. I was slightly less than "androgynously dressed" (all outerwear masculine but the boots) and slightly more than merely "underdressed" (because of the women's boots which, I have to say, didn't look overly feminine as I wore them but most certainly would've stood out, lined up there, against other people's boots in the hallway--not to say anything of exposing my nyloned feet, scarlet toenails and all!). Needless to say, I haven't tried that since; as far as I was concerned, it was a failed experiment.

Now, the thing about the flat crotchline is that, in the context of simple underdressing (when my intent isn't to pass as a woman or even to dress androgynously), I, myself, am a bit weirded out by my "vanishing manhood." I guess, weirded out to an extent that I might be deluding myself into thinking that others (well, others who stare at crotches, anyway) must also find a "flat-groined man" (for lack of a better expression) a strange sight to see. Maybe if I were a true transsexual I wouldn't be bothered by this as much. But then, if I were a true transsexual, I wouldn't keep my 'stache and pinch either. By the way--and I guess this might be too much info, maybe, maybe not--but, when I say "vanishing," I mean vanishing, not flattened (consider, if you will, the timeworn transgendered practice of "tucking"). I'll let you all fill in the details. It's not particularly comfortable--physically or psychologically--so I usually resort to somewhat looser underwear or go for open-bottomed girdles or corselettes. Anyway, I hope this helps clear up some of your puzzlement, MG.

As far as "Oh! the troubles I've seen!" I was just being playful. My crossdressing is nowhere near the curse I used to think it once was. My personality, like satin or silk, wrapped itself around my gender identity--my very earliest recollections being about how enebriating the aromas floating around in my mother's bedroom were... the powders and the paints, the brushes and the sponges, the dresses and slips laid out on the bed... all of it smelled vibrant and intoxicating. My personality, I say, wrapped itself around these sensual delights, and I'm pretty happy the way I am today. Though I have "seen troubles" (we all have), I see them now for what they really were, the birth pangs of a renewed self. And I love and accept and am in touch with myself. My crossdressing has made me who I am today. The "troubles" were worth it.

Okay, all, back to Boots!

Sorry, these wild tangents take me out to sea, sometimes.

Love,
CJ

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