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Hi girls,

I have been avoiding talking about this for quite some time. I guess hoping that I would just not really ever talk it. But as my journey continues I realize that it is important that I share this with you. What about anger? I am sure I don't seem that angry to most of you. Perhaps frustrated at times, but not really an agry person.

And that is true, now. But this has not always been true. I will preface this by saying that coming to terms with my desires to be female, and to crossdress have pretty much ended my anger, along with my desire for pornography, and my desire to have to be right about everything. Yes I still get angry sometimes, but it is appropriate anger. And I get over it, and move on.

About six years ago I thought that I was a pretty happy go lucky guy. I was running my own business, I had a nice house, a nice car, a nice wife, four wonderful children, I coached little league football, I played in a band, I knew lot of people and I was the friendly wave at everyone type. I certainly did not consider myself to be an angry person.

But I got into a fight with my wife and to my surprise she said that I was angry all the time, that all I did was yell. That she wanted back the nice man she married. I knew I yelled at the kids because they were spoiled and would never clean their rooms, and if I did not yell at them they would not take me serious, but this was far from being an angry person, in my mind.

But the fight did not start resolving itself, instead it intensified. So we agreed that we would call my brother whom we both trusted to mediate, because he would be fair. Well, we had briefly discussed my crossdressing, because I was wearing girls underwear full time with my wife's knowledge, but reluctant acceptance. But this was still a secret as was my addiction to pornography, which she also knew about, and dispised, but I disregarded her concerns.

So my brother came over and we told him about our fight but not about the crossdressing or pornography, although from private discussions my brother knew I looked at pornography with regularity, although I never openly called it an addiction. And during our discussion we talked about anger and out of the blue, at least to me, he asked her "are you afraid of him" I almost laughed, because I am a very non violent person, and certainly non threatening. But to my utter astonishment, she said "yes". I could not believe it. He then asked her if the kids were afraid of me, and again she said "yes". At this point I had to interject and say this was completely ridiculous. I was a very loving father and there was no way my kids were afraid of me, I had great relationships with all of them.

Well, we got the fight calmed down and we settled a few issues, but not really the core issues. Being the president of the company, and supplying most of the income, I had a lot of clout. No one really wanted to try to take me down. But this thing about my kids bothered me. I knew it was not true. So I got them one at a time, and asked them in a very non threatening way if they were afraid of me. And to my utter shock, they all said "yes".

This hit me like a ton of bricks, and made me examine my behavior, and when I did, and was really honest, I was a very angry man. Something that I had been in such complete denial about, I truely hid it from myself. So I started researching about anger and how to deal with it. I believed that I probably had borderline personality disorder. I knew I had depression because I had suicidal thoughts for almost ten years at that point, but I kept that a secret that I planned on taking to the grave with me. I did not want to appear to be a weak person who was depressed. Depression carries too much of a stigma, and in the electrical business, where peoples lives are at stake, that scares people.

So I learned all about anger and how to cope with it, and manage it. I almost over night became an unangry person. I learned not to yell, and to ask people to do things instead of order them to. To expect a 6 year old to act like a 6 year old. And surprisingly, it worked. On the outside. I mean I was the master of pretending to be something I was not. This was just another thing to pretend. So I pretended I was not angry. And life went on.

Things got better between my wife and me, as well as my kids and me. My employees noticed and it improved my relationship with them. I was a hero, I conquered anger. But the economy started getting bad, and the business phone stopped ringing. Regular customers who used to just call for us to come and do thier work, suddenly wanted the lowest bidder. And before I knew it, I was out of money and had to fold my business.

Did this make me angry? NO, of course not, because I had conquered my anger. I moved my family, got a new job and worked my way to the top in a fairly short period of time, banrupted my company, and in no time things were good again. My illness was making it really hard for me to continue to work at the high level I had in the past, I was working away from home a lot. And before I knew it, the anger had returned. And it was worse than ever. And it was accompanied by emotional outbursts that were completely irrational. I truely felt like I was losing my mind.

I tried to use the same tactics I had before to control my anger, but I could not control it any more. My illness was getting worse. So now I had a new secret. I knew that it was a matter of time before my body gave out, but who was going to provide for my family? My wife did not even work. So I told her that I was having a lot of problems, and I thought I would only be able to work a few more years, that I needed to work my way into a desk job. But I would not make it anywhere close to a few more years.

I was now going to work, and lying down on the couch as soon as I got home, taking ibupropen like candy, not realizing that it would not help until bedtime. My depression was worsening, and so was my pain, and my anger. No one could do anything right. I worked, and laid on the couch barking out orders.

I started having anxiety attacks which I thought might be my heart. So I went to the doctor under the pretense of getting a check up. But my doctor said I had low cholesterol, and and ekg turned up a normal heart. Meaning I was not having heart problems. I got up my courage and told him about my depression. And about all this unexplained pain, and fatigue. He started me on anti-depressants, and got me an appointment with a rhuemtologist.

The anti-depressants really helped, my anxiety went away, and my anger subsided. But the pain did not. Nor did my persistant thoughts of suicide. I seen the rhuematologist and was finally diagnosed with fibromyalgia. So I started taking more anti depressants to help me sleep, muscle relaxers, and pain medication, because ibuprophen, tylonal, asperin, and other such drugs do not work on the pain of fibromyalgia. But the drugs had a hangover effect so I could not take them often because of my job.

My pain was increasing, my sleep was getting less and less, now only 2-3 hours a night. And I was working doing very physical work as an electrician, in the heat of the Mohave Desert. I was starting to have really serious memory problems. I was making errors at work, serious errors. I could not remember when asked by my boss, what I had accomplished and what was left to do. My hands were cramping so bad, I could not put wirenuts on anymore. A small connector you twist on to make wire connections. Finally while at work, I could not move my right arm. It felt like it was broken. I had actually worked until I could not work anymore. But after a 20 minute rest, it felt fine again. I could barly function at work, this would be my last week of work.

It was November of 2002. My wife had just started a new part time job. I had got her to work under the pretense that if she made $20k a year part time, we would have a sweet retirement nest egg. But I knew the truth. I knew that it was coming to an end. There was nothing I could do. From $90k a year to $35k a year with me on disability, and my wife now having to work full time. And if this were not bad enough, just weeks after going on disability, and weeks before Christmas, I was given a 30 day notice to move out of the house I was renting, because the owner decided to sell, while the market was peaking. They offered it to me, but now not working, I could not qualitfy for a loan. Now just weeks before Christmas, we had to start thinking about moving. We needed move in money. My disability finally just started coming in, but it was just a fraction of what I had made, and we still had bills of a person who made $90k.

From this point on, our house was nothing but anger. I had a huge loss of self esteem from not being able to work, as well as the fact that i had damaged my body so bad, that I could hardly get off the couch most of the day. My wife and I had complete role reversal, now she worked and I stayed home. However because of my illness, I could not do all the things that she did when she was at home and I worked.

With this loss of self esteem, loss of purpose, my anger returned. Again no one could do anything right. I was in denial about what was happening to me. I still believed it would only be temporary. I would return to work. But I did not improve, and as I learned more about my illness it became evident that I would never be able to return to this job that I really had loved so much. My anger worsened, and so did my depression, and my symptoms. My wife and I fought nonstop.

And then one day she said she could not take anymore, she wanted a divorce. It was different than before. I knew she meant it. She said that I was not the nice man she married, that I was this angry person that she did not even recognize. That I had given up. I was in a lot of denial about this. But as I looked at myself, it was not that I had given up, it was that I had not accepted what happened to me. I had not made a plan to survive it. I was still in denial.

It was at this point that I realized that I was not only going to have to face my illness, but I was going to have to face my crossdressing. I started wearing my girls underwear to bed when I knew we were going to be intimate. Something I knew my wife hated and turned her off. It was the start of the confrontation. I was forcing it, yet blaming her for not accepting it. I was hoping that if I forced it, that we might get counseling, or I could get her to read about it, that in some way I could get her to accept who I really was, because I was not going to be able to be happy unless I could express this part of me.

But instead it just drove the wedge deeper between us. We stopped being intimate because forcing my crossdressing on her, disgusted her. But I had waited 14 years, I knew that it was time to get this over with. And as we grew apart, I knew that I would finally have to do what I had always thought I would someday, which was to admit that I loved to wear women's clothes, and that I had spent a great deal of time wishing I was a woman. I got into therapy, but did not tell my therapist right away about my feelings. Then after another huge fight with my wife, she went to talk to my brother, because as I mentioned earlier, she trusted him to be fair and impartial, and outted me.

I knew this would most likely end my relationship with my brother. It was at this point that I made the decision to come completely out of the closet, and admit I was a crossdresser.
Elizabeth wrote May 4, 2004:

But now, all the the consequences that I have so worried about over the years. Being alone, having my chileren resent, and perhaps even hate me for what they may percieve as my selfishness in this matter. I am worried that I won't find anyone to love me, or for me to love. I feel like I am going off a cliff, but I also feel as if it is better than not going. But i am really scared about the future.
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http://crossdressers-forum.com/forums/v ... ght=#18689

That was when I came here. And while many of you have seen my trials and tribulations, since this admission. Since coming out of the closet. My anger diminished, until now, I am hardly ever angry. My desire for pornography pretty much vanished. For I while I still looked occaisionally, but now I have not looked at any for a couple of months. I just don't have the urge to.

I now beleive that my anger, and hypersexuality, depression(which I am still fighting to some degree, although not as severe) Were mostly symptoms of the repression of my true identity. And even though I am in a major flair up right now of my symptoms, and I am noticably more cranky because of being in pain a lot, I don't have the anger. I feel calm. My blood pressure remains in the safe zone. So I have concluded that my anger was my expression of my own displeasure with myself. I truely hated myself for not having the courage to be who I have known for many years, was the real me.

No, I am not a girl, but I am Elizabeth.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth.

Don't have much time, things to do today. I would just like to say WOW! WHAT AN INTROSPECTIVE POST. Talk to you later.

Love Darlene.
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Hi Elizabeth,

Also - WOW !!!
I truly admire you. You must have been feeding on lightening bolts. The strength of your mind is awesome. For one thing, you are strong and confident enough to lay out your innermost thoughts and feelings virtually in public - albeit this is a most sympathetic and understanding group here. Then you have the strength to undergo all the tribulations of a Job, and come out of this a rational contented personality. Your memoirs are the core of a tragic novel that is worthy of Dostoyevsky. Yet with a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

I read your post, and I could not resist a comment. Your story is one of hope to many of us here. Thank you for sharing.

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Dear Elizabeth:

Like Darlene, I was also blown away by the sincerity of your post. Some might call it a confessional; to me it seems like you've come a long way but are still searching. I hope you won't think I'm giving your lengthy and detailed message short shrift, but this morning I have to be a girl of few words.

I've been hearing and reading a lot lately about anger. The general consensus seems to be that anger is a perfectly legitimate emotion, and can be a perfectly appropriate response to frustration. The problem comes when anger persists, when it is diffuse and unfocused (or focused on an inappropriate target), or when it becomes a generalized response out of proportion to whatever events triggered it. When turned inward, anger can do horrible damage to the self.

Once we recognize our anger, and accept that it is out of control or out of proportion, the most effective prescription is forgiveness -- forgiveness of others, forgiveness of oneself, and a willingness to let go of the emotional burden we've imposed on ourselves by persistently nurturing our anger.

That's real easy to say, not so easy to do. But, My Dear, just as with love, forgiveness must start with an act of the will.

You have clearly done much of the work already, invested so much of the thought and self-examination, all of us can see that you're well on your way. The pain you've experienced (physical and emotional) is unique to you, yet many of us are familiar with our own personal purgatories, and our hearts and sympathies are with you. Painful as it may be for you, you're making wonderful progress (even a newcomer like me can see it). Here's wishing you your share of happiness as you go forward. Love,
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That's deep Elizabeth.

Wouldn't it be great if female hormones helped overcome the fibromyalgia? Doubtful though as more women have it than men. Maybe your Doctor can experiment with it?
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Hi Elizabeth...Not a Girl...but yet a Sister. :)

It is really obvious that you have done some serious soul searching, (a moral inventory) and that is good.

Not only that but you have now admitted the direct nature of your faults to another human being, and that is also good.

What more can I say? You are loved. *^^* ((G)) *^^*
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Hi girls,

I avoided this issue of anger for a long time because I was not ready to deal with it yet. At least not in the open and honest way that I needed to. It is embarassing to admit my failings, but it also frees me from my past. I can not move forward until I am willing to leave my past in the past. And to do that, I have to own it.

Because I am so certain that my anger was related to supressing my transgenderism, I can't help but wonder how many of my sisters out there, and thier SO's are dealing with similar issues. I know that these are difficult things to talk about, but perhaps some of you are angry and have not really looked at it because it has become a part of you.

In a way I guess my admition lf my anger cleanses me, but that was not the reason for this post. It was to reach out to anyone out there, my fellow sisters who may be dealing with similar issues, and say, you are not alone. And while I am sure there are probably much better ways to deal with anger than the way I did. I just wanted to say that you can let it go. And perhaps some of you have your own stories about dealing with anger you could share?

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Hi all,

Elizabeth,

What an incredibly moving post (and a very topical subject). Bravo for your honesty and your clarity of mind! =D>

Repression and denial too often lead to all kinds of ailments, depression included. We learn to relate to the world through an angry and bitter heart. Repression and denial can also lead to a whole host of psychosomatic illnesses... we too easily gloss over the relationship between the body and the mind, unfortunately.

My own anger and depression nearly destroyed me when I was in my mid-20's. I tried to commit suicide (and I'd had such suicidal ideations since I was a child); I felt truly, completely lost and abandoned. I was, almost literally, at the end of my rope. All this because I continuously downplayed the significance my gender identity played in my own life. I was a fraud, living a lie... yet I was a fraud who so desperately wanted to live in the light of an authentic self. I yearned to be myself in a world I thought condemned those such as me.

I now read my journal entries from that period and am quite amazed that I'm still around to talk with you all today. Here's an example, from late winter 1987:

Loneliness again comes crashing down on me. I seek meaningful contact, a human contact, yet I avoid intimate relationships. Why? What is it that I fear so much? Mundane as it seems, this, to me, is an irritation: every time I meet someone new, I must always and forever more go through the whole cumbersome rigmarole of divulging to the Other all those secrets, little and big, that took me a lifetime to shore up and which go to make up my self. I’m a person hidden away and it hurts. Yet, almost always, I become impatient with the tedious and painstaking process of revealing my inmost soul to others.
Inmost, inmost, inmost. To what avail? “They” aren’t interested. Insight: in this unloved moment, one’s anguished spirit denies its own frailty by secretly meeting (and f*****g) Lady Apathy, every loner’s mistress, and whore to those whose too-human heart is shrinking.


Yes, my too-human heart was shrinking, and this led to anger and depression in almost equal measures. However, at the same time, it also propelled me on a spiritual quest; I so badly needed to find out why a good person, a good soul, such as myself was suffering so much. In the course of that quest, I discovered the healing and transforming powers of plain old forgiveness. I forgave my parents for what I thought was the role they played in who I turned out to be; I forgave society for not being more able to accommodate such a one as me; above all, I forgave myself for all my frailties and vulnerabilites and lacunae. I came to see that these are, precisely, a huge part of what makes me oh! so human.

One thing that helped more than anything (even more than my taking up a practice such as meditation) was the fact that the quest I'd embarked upon, I now realize, was also a form of cognitive-behavioural therapy. It led to my restructuring the way I was looking at the world, to my "reframing" how I saw my own existence in that world. It wasn't a smooth transition, by any means, and, over the several weeks and months during which all this was going on, I was profoundly unbalanced (not necessarily in a bad way, though). When I "came out of it," I discovered, to my utter astonishment, that much of my anger and bitterness had vanished. To be corny, here, I started looking at things through the eyes of love. Here's another journal entry, dated only several months after the one above:

Bathed in afternoon sunshine:

Women, cars, buildings, windows, sidewalks, birds, manhole covers, signposts, gravel, rooftop antennae, church spires, traffic lights, mirrors, awnings, bicycles, children’s faces, shoes and hands, wisps of cloud, doors, trees, skateboards, leaves, dogs, buds, wheels, flags, mailboxes, hair, handbags, sunglasses, the wind, and me.
(and all this is in darkness too)


You know, even with life's up and downs, I've never looked back. I'm happy to be me and I can now leave the world room enough in my own heart for it to be itself, in both its yin and its yang. I've accepted and learned to love my own self by walking away from underneath the heavy shadows of my own misconceptions about both myself and the world around me. It's incredibly liberating.

Again, Elizabeth, thanks for such a great thread. And, of course, may you continue to fare well on your own journey--despite all those things that may, at first glance, look like obstacles to your happiness! 8)

Love,
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Hi Elizabeth--
It says in my profile that I'm interested in finding ways to express extreme emotion without hurting others, and I'm still on that pursuit, to some degree.

I do believe that unexpressed emotions can be toxic, and I would include our need to CD as an unexpressed emotion.

My anger had been dissipating for some time before Anita appeared in my life. I'm still assertive when I'm out dressed, but I find that I don't have as much reason to get angry. It just doesn't seem to come up.

I have had to learn new ways to feel safe when out dressed. As a young man, I had a very violent streak that served to protect me in extreme situations.

If someone pushed me far enough, my whole manner would change. It was clear that this "new" personality was capable of doing anything that needed to be done to remove the threat. I'm thankful I never seriously hurt anyone in this mode, but that was the whole point--it was so extreme that people backed off without a fight. I only had to fight when I was first starting out.

Now I don't believe that Anita has this personality anymore, and it leaves me wondering how well she can protect herself. I do know that her verbal skills around men have gotten a lot better, out of necessity.

I don't have a clear fix of how much my earlier anger was related to not being who I wanted to be. Like I said, I was already much less angry by the time Anita came along.

Good post! It is unfortunate that for many of us, the walls have to come crashing down before we can let the woman inside come out. Maybe in the near future, forums like this will let people know that it doesn't get any better if you wait.
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Anita said;
Good post! It is unfortunate that many of us, the walls have to come crashing down before we can let the woman inside come out. Maybe in the near future, forums like this will let people know that it doesn't get any better if you wait.
Darlene says; Those who have ears let them hear what Anita has said.
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Post by Elizabeth »

Hi girls,

!!!yes!!! !!!yes!!!

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Fibro causes pain and pain causes depression. It doesn't explain it all but it was a factor in there somewhere.

I'm on decent fibro meds now - ultracet for pain, every 6 hours religously, Muscle relaxer at night, and an antidepressant to deal with the pain.

But, I don't feel like the antidepressant is really helping. I'm sure my depression is due to my dressing and my inability to talk about my CDing with my spouse. At least I am not overly angry at this point but I am withdrawn & don't do all the activities I should.

I'm glad you have come to a good place and I am hoping after the new year I might also. Anne
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Elizabeth,

I normally cried about life stories like yours. I just finished reading all the messages. I have nothing to add, but I do need to connect with you and everyone else.

You told a novel size life history in a very few words. All of you, that know me, know that I am not able to compose so wonderfully and get to the point so directly. Your story in large part is my story. Anger, pornography, self inposed isolation from others and my wife, desperation, constant thoughts of suicide, knowing that I am slowing down with increased age and not able to keep up with the young bucks anymore. My problems this past ten years are in no way as horrific as your recent life.

I had so many more issues than just denying that I was happiest when I dressed.

I am truly feeling I am nearing the end of my need for therapy. I felt such closeness with you when you told of the overdose. Cross-dressing is fast becoming a non issue for me as it has for you. I only wish it was within my power to cure you and Anne's illness. I am crying now. Sorry.

We are very much the same at this time where our minds meet. I feel very much these days as you do. Elizabeth, shine on forever!

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Im proud of you Elizabeth, for facing and discovering your true self – the real you. This is who you are. You have successfully identified the source of your anger and have since made the necesarry changes to be happy.

Always take advantage of every free moment you have to be your true self; never take that for granted. Sadly, the ability to be one’s true self is something that too many people in this world are deprived of. Enjoy as you continue to grow and flourish.

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Elizabeth,

As always, I envy your strength to pull yourself through all you have been through and come out a better person.

Anita wrote:Good post! It is unfortunate that for many of us, the walls have to come crashing down before we can let the woman inside come out.
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