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How are you dealing with or handling this aspect of your life?

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

Elizabeth:

Now take one giant step and look into that same mirror, with your mother's reflection as you know or remember her, but you are your fem self of today. Standing side by side as her loving daughter!!!!!
Nothing on this earth can equal the warm, cozy feeling of acceptance and a mother's unequaled love for her children.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Danielle,

I am estranged from my mother, have been for over 12 years now, and only seen her about 4-5 times the rest of my adult life. My mother was not very loving. She would not hug us kids, nor would she allow us to hug her. If we did she would pull away and say "stop it". I do not remember her telling me, or any of my siblings that she loved them. After it came out that my father had raped all four of my sisters from the time they were little, and raped a neighbor girl who was just 7 or 8, and that my mother helped him to cover it up, We went our separate ways. I tried to work things out, but she was unwilling to come clean. She came to my house and brought back all the pictures of my kids that I had ever given her, and said not to come around anymore. I later found out that she publically disowned me to her family and those in my family that still support her.

I no longer seek my mothers approval, and have not felt her love, if that is what it was, since I was a little kid. When I was 8 years old, she had the first of my two little sisters. After this I was ignored. I know this is not uncommon, but I had been the baby of the family for 8 years. My two little sisters were treated like royalty, as there were less kids in the house now, and my dad made a lot more money. However, we were still treated the same. Only my little sisters and my dad were allowed to drink real milk. The rest of us had can milk or powdered milk. That is just one example of many. I think this re-enforced my view that female was the preferred gender. Obviously my dad had a reason to treat my sisters better. My mother also had her reasons, I guess.

In any event, my father died two years ago on April Fool's Day, I did not even attend his funeral, as I had no respects to pay, and had already mourned his loss 18 years earlier, when I realized he was a scumbag, and confronted him about it. He chose not to have a relationship with me.

So that is why it is so wierd that, that memory would come to mind, that is a time when my world was my mother. I remember loving her. It has been so long since I felt that way. Funny how things turn out.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

I am trying to think of something to say......

To think that anyone would be exposed to such a complex life is tragic to say the least. It just never occurred to me that your previous response would lead to this last one!

I am grateful that my childhood was normal for the most part and certainly uneventful in comparison to yours. Anything that I thought before was important has just become less than measurable.

It is good for all of us to appreciate what we have and how we were and are treated today. I am sorry about your previous family experience. I always presume to much and think only the best things in conversation with others here in the forum. I forget that there are those that have suffered greatly and appear in the forum for support.

Forgive me if I have been overly dramatic.

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Ugh. Many of my good friends here have suffered far more than I. Sometimes, the grass is much greener on my side of the fence.

My brother and I are estranged - again - because of sadistic misinformation fed him by his ex-wife. It has been painful. I deal with this by remind myself that I have done nothing wrong, and actually that he needs me a lot more than I need him. Even this really pales in comparison to the painful experiences of others here.

I freely concede the power of positive thinking, and I am happy so many here actively practice this. However, I am reminded of one friend who was suffering in a way most of us simply could not understand, and as an unintended consequence, well wishers on this forum actually aggravated her situation.

When I started reading this thread for the first time tonight, I meant to add my dittoes to what Vicki started, but then I also very much agreed with Danielle's observation about "group think". So even though I agree, I won't say so here. Oops!

Positive attitude aside, life is terribly unfair. Nothing we can do will really change that to any great extent. Still, it is worthwhile that we make the efforts we make. Even when life really stinks.

Elizabeth: no mattter how hard I try, no matter how much I want to, I simply cannot comprehend the insanity that destroyed your family. It is futile for me to try to provide support. You seem to have adjusted remarkably well. I am equally amazed by your resilience and your healthy attitudes. You are an amazing person ( in a good way - just to be blunt). How true: whatever doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.

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Post by Elizabeth »

Danielle and Bernice,

I apparently did not convey what I wanted to, so I will try to say it better. I had forgotten what it was like to feel loved and accepted by my mother, but there was a time. Had you not said what you said, I may have never remembered that. Not just the memory of being with my mom in the restroom, but how it felt. It was a great memory and I am sure I will think about that often now.

I told the rest of the story so you would understand why the memory was so powerful for me. I have had a long time to deal with most of these issues, and for the most part have.

I was not looking for, nor desire sympathy. Mostly because I am not sad. This is a great time for me. It took a while for me to realize that, but I know it's true.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

8) 8) 8)
I think I understand now, #-o . I am a little slow on the uptake... :lol: :lol:

We all so want to say the "right" thing at times, we tend to shield ourselves and our replies so as to feel like we are safely participating in the forum.

I am happy that I said something that has brought back good memories Elizabeth. Even if they were short-lived, thank you for acknowledging my input.

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Danielle,

Thankyou, and may I say you look just lovely in long hair too. I just love your new avatar.

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Danielle,
First, I like the longer hair!
My point and I hope I will not be ex-communicated, but I am beginning to feel that we are possibly the next progression in human evolution. I posted this somewhere else here, but probably not in the same words. The ability to transistion from one personna to the other. (I believe that Cami made the point about Stef when they were in Nashville, when she dressed Cami said Stef, became Stef and she, Cami, could actually see the different personna come out!) Can we not take on the feminine personna and dressed or not extend it to those we come in contact with.
We make up a small per cent of the population, but I would not expect the entire male populace to transistion all at once, there have to be "pioneers." Perhaps we are the first to crudely "go where no "man" has gone before" and to actually begin to understand and study this transistion. Just a thought!
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Vickie and Danielle, I am amazed at the level of thought you have started . From Canada to Florida, and all crossdressers inbetween that are alone in their own thoughts not knowing of this place
. This forum is going to be the seed that will grow into public understanding of us all. Too many intellegent people here for that not to happen. ........my prediction........Kristen

Elizibeth, I cannot tell you how much my heart goes out to you, in the same thought I have the most deepest respect for you also. I wish I could help you in some small way. I now that you don't need it. I had such a loving mother, I cannot understand what you have had to endure, I am in awe of your ability to survive and conquer what life has given you.
You are an inspiration. =D> =D> =D>

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

I do not want to wander too much here.

We tend to try to put into perspective, our physical being. We know that there are going to be differences among the general population. Male and female. We just never take the time to observe these differences. A mole here, a mark there, differences. Things that can be observed when not covered by clothing, not to mention mental and biological differences.

For an example. When we die, do we retain our so called male or female appearance? Why? What need could there possibly be for this representation any longer? It is an earth bound thing only. The species required the differences to make the system work. Other than that, there is no further need after death for such a "space suit."

My point here is simple. There will always be these differences, both physical and mental. Some will come to understand them, others will not. If you take 100 die made with one and only one different (1 - 100)number on each die, toss them into the air, and no matter where they land, the same number set will always be in view. But add a different color to each side of the die, on each one, with no duplications in color on any of the 100 die or sides and perform the same event. Suddenly, we have statistics, algebraic variables that need to be considered each time the 100 die are tossed into the air.

Take 100 people of the same race and sex, toss them into the air....just kidding!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I spend a great deal of time examining "Chaos" theory. This is what makes things so interesting. On any given day you may meet someone in agreement with you or just the opposite or they may have no opinion on the subject at all.

Chaos theory removes the boredom of life, by throwing in a constantly changing set of variables. No two days are the same in every way.

We are as a species forever intertwined into 2 major groups, with subtle differences that create additional groups all the while we are all within the boundaries of the human species.

We can never realistically hope that others will one day recognize us unless as in the gay community, we are visible to the majority in a positive way. Even then, as I have spoken of before, we are the "aliens" that the majority fears most.

People that look like the majority but are different. With all of our rules, we break those taboos and rules that have been established to monitor and control the majority. Life is about control. Control that none of us really have. We just think we do. When we find this out, we try to elliminate the rule breaker, to gain back the control that we think we have lost, while actually we never had it.

In closing, to make it simple, the next time you are driving down the highway, consider how little control you have over the driver that is coming at you on the other side of the road! We can make decisions based on statistics and their statistical outcome, but we cannot control the result of a decision, we just live it.

Oops! Too much caffeine before bed time!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Danielle: May I please just echo other's sentiment about how magnificent you look, without having to dredge up the intellectual energy to respond intelligently to your deep thoughts? How does it feel to look "early thirties" again?
I was not looking for, nor desire sympathy. Mostly because I am not sad. This is a great time for me. It took a while for me to realize that, but I know it's true.
Elizabeth: I feel like I may be on thin ice here. I am politically challenged. I did mean to offer belated support. It is great that you don't need it, and I am happy you are happy. I do hope this next is not offensive to you. With that in mind, the following - at least in my mind - still applies - because it is still 100% true: No mattter how hard I try, no matter how much I want to, I simply cannot comprehend the insanity that destroyed your family. You seem to have adjusted remarkably well. I am equally amazed by your resilience and your healthy attitudes. You are an amazing person ( in a good way - just to be blunt). How true: whatever doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.

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Post by Loretta Ann »

Elisabeth,

I am beside myself, we have more in common, than the medical condition we have been diagnosed with, You described what my family life was like. I could not describe it any better than you have. The picture is the same except for the ladies bathroom scene with your mother.

My marriage ended when I was 42 years of age as it seems yours is about to. I have now got about 20 years on the other side of that.

I can tell you this much. There is not a single person in your family who was/is not affected by what you all experienced as children.

For the rest of you who read this, sympathy will not be appreciated. I too am happy with where my life is at today.
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Post by Elizabeth »

Danielle,

I also love chaos theory, particularly how it relates to entropy. Everything is on it's way from an ordered state to a disordered state. Like us crossdressers going from the ordered state of dressing in one set of clothes to dressing in the disordered state of two sets of clothes. Now the cool part is how random it is. Which is the chaos part. Who becomes a crossdresser seems to be totally random. One only has to look at a few fractals to see how ordered states also come from disordered states in a totally random fashion.

Also I used to beleive that anything with a greater than zero probability was inevitable, however I learned through the second law of thermodynamics that because of entropy the least likely thing, while having a probability greater than zero, never happens. I think this fundametal change in thinking helped me to confront myself. Because of all my fears, most of them were also the least likely thing to happen. So as it turns out, because of entropy and how it relates to chaos, chaos had a direct impact on my life.

Which in the end makes me feel we are all part of the same thing happening on a scale so grand we can not even comprehend it. I think Deborah was on to something when she talked about evolving and that we very well could be a bifucation or an early branch of a different type of human male. It remains to seen. We could also just be a random dna mutation that takes place on a regular basis.

It is very interesting to consider the scientific aspects of crossdressing. The one that is most profound to me is "The Uncertainty Principle". There is a limit to what we can know, and that makes the future uncertain.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

This is a rather interesting thread. I am happy to look "thirty" but in all honesty I think it is late 40's really. The long hair, well you could have fried an egg under there girls. Phew! Long hair in Florida in July, yikes! The "do" is very dense unlike some newer fashions that are lighter in weight and do not hold the heat in as much but I too like it.

I really prefer my short hair look as it takes after my mother so much and the many women that I meet in everyday life. I can wear the short hair all day and night and feel like it is mine all the time. I get a short hair cut for the summer since I have 90% of my real hair, lucky me. It makes it cooler on my for the most part.

I enjoy reading about "Chaos" theory and other radical analytical concepts about our physical universe. We spend most of our time in shallow thought, throughout the day so I set aside a little time everyweek for more intense thinking. After all, just how important can it be with such a short life span when compared to the concept of being dead. Yikes!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I understand the concept of "no sympathy please," it is a matter of been there, done that, time to move on or have already done so. No rationale reason to re-live the past. As we shift our gears in life we find that we have "no reverse gear," no backing up, only forward and forward faster...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

It is nice to have such a great group of "girls" to talk to. While we all may have problems within our individual lives, it is nice to share them and to be able to explore solutions with others.

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Post by Virginia »

Elizabeth,
"There is a limit on what we can know. That make the future uncertain." Kinda lost me on the one, unless you mean that we can not know the future. The future as a time factor is measurable, depending on the person seeking some point yet to come. What is not "measurable" is what will happen between the beginning and the end of the measurable time period. Example, I am planning on going to the SCC in Atlanta.
I am actually having fun planning my wardrobe and corresponding with the folks there about volunteering and what it will be like and the seminars and the travel, etc., What if I "chicken out" or hit my head and lose my CD'ing desire or any of 100 things. Your right, I know at this point I will go and I will have a great time, but what if............ That is why we plan, we dream, we adjust, we adapt.
In closing, Elizabeth, the more I learn about you - you are simply one awesome individual and I feel blessed to have the opportunity to share with you!
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