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My dear Beauty :) I am so delighted for you that you have finally let yourself be you. Hon, I can't say I'm surprised. You are Beauty-ful inside and out. Few people will start down the slope you did with T blockers and laser hair removal without a powerful need in them to be themselves. As far as the question I wouldn't ask, you anwered it. :) We have all seen your struggle in your posts, and all I can say is that you have an absolutely wonderful lady for a partner. So, welcome to the journey li'l sis!! (--)

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Hi CJ, Curly, Paula, Kay and Carolynn,

Thank you soooo much!
((G))
I was really worried that people wouldn't want me here because of the path I am about to walk, but I thank you so much for telling me how you feel. :)

Curly and Kay,

You have no idea how worried I was. I know this is a fear for the SO's of most CD'rs and so I was really, really worried you all would think I betrayed you or something.

Thank you for responding. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
((G))

Please Carolynn, CJ, and Paula don't think this minimizes how much I appreciate what you said and your unconditional acceptance. There is no better acceptance than acceptance. Thank you!!!
((G))
I love you all so much! :) :oops: If I was a crier this is where I'd be gushing. I feel it inside, but I can't seem to let the emotions escape right now. Regardless the love makes me feel all warm inside.

Thanks everyone!
((G))
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Hi Beauty,

Perhaps I did not structure my sentence well, but when I said
Elizabeth wrote:

"You did not mention it, but being a person who is more than a crossdresser, I know you are feeling this incredible sense of releif."
I meant that you did not mention feeling an incredible sense of relief, being a person who is more than a crossdresser, like myself. Indeed I have known for a long time you were more than just a crossdresser and we have spoken about it before.

I do not feel decieved in any way and only have strong feelings of support and love for you. Being a person who is also more than a crossdresser I have never questioned whether or not I belong here. This is my family, and I have never been denied support.

You have been such a major influence on people like myself who have struggled to find self acceptance, I just can not imagine our community or forum without you. When you left over a year ago, not long after I got here, it was so upsetting to me I had to write about it then.
Elizabeth wrote May 14, 2004:

Yes, I miss Beauty already. I felt like she truely cared about what happened to me. She is very wise. She says things that are hard to say, but need saying. Beauty, if you are reading this? This place is bigger than any one person, and I hope you can find your way back here, as you are dearly missed.
I know you have touched so many lives besides mine. I hope you continue to do so, and because I share so many feelings you have about my transgenderedness, I know I will be interested to hear anything you have to share.

Again, good luck in your journey, where ever it may take you and know you have many friends who's lives you have touched, as you have mine, that would love an opportunity to share back with you, what you have given us.

Love always,
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Beauty -

Count this SO as one who is not offended, nor hurt, nor feeling as if you've misled me. I read about the physical changes you were making and sorta figured that there was more here than enjoying a nice pair of stilletos. I'm glad that you feel you have the freedom to decide whatever it is that you want to do, and I respect your reasons for delaying your announcement. It is not easy to make really radical life decisions...

I also do not think that you need to go away from here, but that's just MHO. There are a lot of people on this forum who are in various levels of CDing, who are SOs of various levels of CDers, who are SOs in various levels of being SOs, who are CDers with various levels of SOs. This is a pretty broad rainbow, ya know...

I read with great sadness that you felt that you were an SOs worst nightmare. I can speak only for myself on this, and I'm not quite sure how to word it, but that is not my worst nightmare. I guess I feel that if my sweetie were to need to transition, it would be something he would need very badly. I don't think that would feel like a betrayal.

I think it would feel more like someone who has made a life decision that is very, very important to him, but with which I cannot live. <edited for repetitive redundancy...> *I* personally need a relationship with a man. But that wouldn't mean that I was angry or thought he was scum or anything. So, no, that isn't my worst nightmare. Does this make sense? What I'm trying to say (just spit out Georgia), is that even though I couldn't continue a romantic relationship, it would be obvious that he needed to do this so badly that I couldn't hold it against him.

What is my worst nightmare? Some SOB that hits me...

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Beauty,
I've held off replying here because everyone else is always so much more eloquent than I. But I did want to chime in and tell you that no, you are indeed NOT an SOs worse nightmare. Georgia said it well. It has been clear for a long time that you are a different breed. While I too would probably not be able to hang in with a relationship that changed that much, I respect and admire your wife for her strength of character and her obvious deep love for you.
Regardless of how far down the TS path you walk, you are a great person.
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:) I imagine some of us already knew how you really felt, Beauty. I know I've read it in your posts. (--)

I can't see your caring nature changing, should you decide to transition further or not.

But if you do decide to transition, you'll definitely need to get your ears pierced :mrgreen:

And I truly hope you do share your journey here, with us, as we are your friends, and friends need friends. Plus there may be others that come here to find their way that will be very much interested in your thoughts.
Beauty wrote:"That's you.. that's so you. Why don't you admit it babe, you're a TS." and so I blurted out, "Because I don't want to lose you." and she said in a puzzled voice, "You wouldn't lose me?"
You've a really great wife there, Beauty. =D> =D> =D> =D>

Here's a hug (--) for her.
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Post by Beauty »

Hi Elizabeth, Georgia, Leslie, Terri, and Donna. :)

Ok, I think the verdict is in. :) I get to stay! :)

To Georgia and Terri,

I totally understand how you feel about this and me being someone who is a friend is not close to the same as me being someone you're in love with. Thank you for your understanding and not thinking I was a nightmare. I really, really was afraid all of the SOs would want me gone. They say when you come out about things people surprise you, this was one of those. :)
((G))

Hi Elizabeth,

Ooops! :) I goofed. I understand what you mean now though. :bigsmile: I thought we'd talked about it before, but right now my brain is pretty garbled so it's hard to know which way is up.

Thank you for always being so loving and unconditionally accepting even when you were upset with me about stuff. :) I'm glad I wasn't run out of town. :)
(--)

Thank you Leslie. :) You are so sweet. I agree and wasn't offended by what you said about two heads. Every step has been done that way and my wife and I will continue it.

Hi Donna! :)
(--)
Thanks for inspiring me to start this thread. :) I'll really consider sharing my journey here, but it will be big milestones versus the day to day challenges I go through on TS forums.

:heart: Thank you ALL so much!!!! I LOVE YOU!!! :heart:
((G))
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Post by Julie M. »

Beauty,

Thank you for inviting me to read your post. It sounds like you have a lovely and loving wife who is a rarity in that only about 10% of marriages stay intact once transitioning begins. Your advice to anyone moving past crossdressing is excellent and should be followed by all considering it.

Somehow, in the time I've known you, I always felt you were TS. Maybe because I saw in you so many things I felt personally. Maybe it was just a gut feeling. Regardless, I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do.

You're so right about the difficult road one must travel if they decide to embark on this journey. Initially it's filled with fear and doubt. Family and friends may not react well. I was told by a GID specialist you must be prepared to lose everything, maybe you won't, but you should be so certain this is the path you need to take you are willing to lose it all. These words need to be taken seriously before moving on.

If it sounds like I speak from experience, I do. I began therapy in July of 2004. In the first session the therapist made a comment about transitioning that implied I was going to do it. I told her, "No way". It happened again in the second and the third and each time I said I'm not. In the fourth session I showed up dressed. She asked me if I was Jim or Julie. I started crying because I knew that my answer would mean a lot of pain. "Julie" I said. My response made me look inside myself and I saw a woman who had been denied the chance to live.

I told my wife everything that was discussed after every session. She was the one who encouraged me to go in the first place because she felt I could be cured of wanting to go out dressed and socialize. She attended a few sessions with me. In the first she asked if I had a split personality. The therapist responded, "No, absolutely not! Your husband is perfectly normal but you must understand that crossdressing is as necessary for him as breathing." She was silent.

She had known about my desire to dress since before we were engaged. I vowed I'd never keep any of this a secret. After we were married, she would schedule weekends without the kids so I could have a dress up weekend. We took mini vacations for the same reason. I was so appreciative I often went overboard showing it. When I joined Tri-Ess it was with her encouragement. When I attended meetings and socials she would preoccupy the kids so I could get out of the house unnoticed. The first time she saw me dressed she told me I looked good. She helped with makeup. She bought me girl things. She was great!

Back to the present...

When I told her I answered I was Julie, she interpreted it as I was female. The therapist gave me, individually, and us, together, books to read. We read them all. One book I was asked to read was "True Selves" which states on the cover 'Understanding Transsexualism For Famlies, Friends, Coworkers and Helping Professionals'. In the preface the author describes her first meeting with TSs. One sentence hit me hard, "At that meeting, I saw a level of emotional pain greater than I had previously imagined possible". Tears welled up and I began to cry uncontrollably. I knew this feeling. I have lived it all my life. When my wife read the book she was convinced I was TS.

With my therapist, who had worked with many TSs all the way through the final surgery, and my wife, who knew me better than anyone on earth, both indicating they felt I was TS I decided to seriously consider transitioning.

After looking seriously at what I might look like and coming to the conclusion I could never pass I decided not to do it. And I was okay with this as I was still in serious denial, as I had been all my life. But all my life I wanted to be a girl. I told my therapist my decision and why. She responded, "On the contrary, you could pass easily. I have seen many of my clients who were more masculine than you transition and do very well". These words were music to my ears. For the first time in my life I believed I could actually live life as a woman.

We continued therapy and I continued to keep my wife informed. I knew I had to wait three months before HRT and when I found I was past that I discussed HRT with my therapist and told my wife that day. I started HRT in November. I was in seventh heaven!

About a month later reality hit. My son found out and freaked. My wife ran to him and distanced herself from me. Family and friends were anywhere from absent in my life to somewhat unsettled to supportive. But at home things were gradually getting worse. My son stopped talking to me, my wife acted like I was an alien and my daughter was in denial. After all the support I had given my wife when she was going through menopause, not to mention our 23 years of marriage, I resented her abandoning me when I needed her most. When I told her I needed her and she turned away, I resigned to the fact that the marriage had ended. I stopped HRT and cut down on my dressing in hopes of getting her and my son back but it didn't matter. She wanted out. We divorced June 1, 2005.

Now, living alone, I'm free to choose whatever path I need to take. I went back on HRT just after the divorce. I don't know how far I'll go with it. I still have my daughter to think about not to mention a few close friends. For now it's just day to day.

Thank you Beauty for sharing your story. It helped me a lot. So many times I feel alone in this, like nobody understands and never will. I just hope I have the courage find the happiness that has eluded me all my life. With the help of you and others like you, maybe I will.

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Post by JoanieC »

Beauty-

That is a big step you made! Congratulations on facing it with your wife! As everyone else said (I'll repeat) - thank you, thank you for this forum and your participation. Keep at it, please stay around, and keep us informed!

BIG hugs-
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Darlene wrote:Beauty You are one very fortunate person.

To have a wife that loves you like this. You might just be surprised at what the future holds for you. You are in the best kind of environment possible. Embrace the love that your wife is providing, soak it up, and live in it. Get to know it well and that is what will guide you. You will not go wrong. You have a very intelligent wife.

I repeat nothing better in this world could have happened to you. Enjoy.

Love,
Darlene.
Beauty, I want to agree wholeheartedly with Darlene's earlier comment, and add my own. You are a caring, giving, and supportive individual, and that will always be true. I'm certain you're very capable of returning your wife's very generous love, many times over. So long as the two of you nurture and maintain that depth of understanding, compassion, and undeniable love, everything else will be infinitely minor by comparison. Yours is probably the best example of true love I've heard in many years. Your wife and you are very wonderful and fortunate individuals. So long as you're together, the two of you can do anything.

I wish nothing but the best for you, and all the support I have to offer is yours as you move forward. God bless you, Beauty and especially may He continue to bless your loving wife.
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Post by Georgia(SO) »

This one is for Julie. My heart goes out to you - as I read your post I cried for you. I have no advice, no nothing - only a hug and good wishes and a recognition that this must be scary as hell for all involved.

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Post by Beauty »

Hi Julie and Zippy,

Thank you so much for your support. Last week was very, very hard on me. Your words of support meant so very much.
((G))
Julie, I remember the things you went through. I remember when your wife sent you, as you mentioned to the therapist to "get you over this" I remember how tough it was for you to see your home dividing. I remember the Christmas day you walked down dressed and how much damage control you had to do.

Mostly, I remember your conquering your fears, and though you were once at a really, really bad point because you wanted to keep yourself together God sent your wife to actually save you from harming yourself. From that moment I've seen you grow and you are beginning to blossom.

My wife may be accepting now, but who knows what could change her mind. I try not to ponder on it solely, but it is in the back of my mind. Right now I have to focus on myself and I'll do that and do my best not to let my marriage suffer.

If I can get back to you for a moment. I was saying how much you told us and how open you were about what you were going through. I do suggest people do a search on your posts, as you did keep us updated. It was quite a ride and some people who think they want to transition should read it.

Your experience made me pause and I think pausing was really good. Rikki has told me about SO MANY men who transition and realize they were so wrong and they end up killing themselves or living miserable and nightmarish lives. They left their families, lost their jobs, etc and are now alone. :( Alone and deeply regretful that they made their own incorrect diagnosis and got around the Harry Benjamin SOC. Transitioning is not a joke. It's not a thing anyone should take likely. There's nothing wrong with being a CD'r. I'd be quite proud if I were.

If you are thinking about transitioning take it slow. There should be no rush. If you've been this way X number of years then you should be ok being this way another X amount of years. Making a mistake about changing your birth sex is the most fatal mistake any hetero or gay CD'r can make.

Thank you Julie for your guidance, love and support. You are truly a pioneer for CD'rs who are considering should they or shouldn't they. I see you've decided to see where this goes. I am on the same path. I hope we both find our way. I wish you all the best and I love you!!!
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I've been following this thread for a couple of days now. I just want to say a couple of things here.

First, Beauty, you have my deepest respect and gratitude for posting this thread.

Second, I agree with Sally that having you, as well as Julie M. and anyone else travelling this path, continue to participate in this forum is very important. There are many CDers out there who are just starting out on their own journeys of self-discovery. The experiences and insights that you all have to offer will be of tremendous benefit to them.

I applaud you all for having the courage to follow your hearts.

Love,
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Post by Julie M. »

While I don't wish to be redundant I think that certain things need to be stressed for those who might be considering 'crossing the line'. By that I mean taking steps past crossdressing which may not be reversible, eg: HRT.

Beauty always so perfectly states things that need to be said. Her words here need to be taken VERY seriously for anyone who is considering crossing the line. When I decided to do it I was so elated that finally I would be able to end this lifetime of inner turmoil that I never stopped to consider the consequences. Knowing me, even if I read all that has been written here, I probably would have done everything the same. When I remember the joy I felt believing for the first time in my life I could be at peace with myself, I doubt anything could have made me change course. But the fallout was brutal.

I don't leave my life an open book here because I like to read what I wrote or to elicit a particular response. I do it so others can learn from my experiences. When you get to a certain point in your life you have to stop being the student or the practicioner and become the teacher. I had a crash course in how transitioning can mess up your life. I had read many counts of other's experiences but I didn't take advantage of it. I'm the type of person you can warn, "Don't touch that. It's hot!" and you'll see me checking it out for myself. If that's you, then you will do what you are going to do. If you learn from other's mistakes (I was once told that was the sign of genius - guess I'm not one) then learn from mine. Read all you can. Consider all the possibilities. Ask yourself if you are ready to give up everything. Most importantly, know how this will affect your family.

Just for the record, I'm pretty happy now. My marriage died a long time ago and neither of us were happy. I know the TG thing got in my way of being a better husband but my wife had changed during menopause and I no longer saw the woman I married. So the divorce was good for both of us.

As for the kids, my son and I are estranged but my ex and my daughter feel strongly he'll come around, it just may take some time. My daughter and I are very close. We talk all the time (she's away at college) and there's a lot of laughter and love. As for the rest of my family, the ones I was closest to are still behind me. That's a nice feeling. When my wife announced to everyone I was transitioning, they called to give their support. The rest of the family was silent. Everyone was told I decided to abandon transitioning when I was making a valiant effort to repair the damage and that's the way it stands today. Now I have control who will know when I figure out where this is going.

Right now no one knows I'm back on HRT except you and a few close friends. I learned not to disclose anything that's not be etched in stone and I still don't know how far I'll go with this. Until I do know, I'll keep it to myself.

If anyone want's to contact me directly, e-mail me at julimarie@comcast.net. I'll be more than happy to help anyone struggling with this issue in any way I can.

Take extra special care,
Julie
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Post by Beauty »

Hi Kathy,

Thank you so much. :)
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Hey again Julie,

What a wonderfully awesome post. I have to join you, hand in hand, when I tell those when you cross the line of taking a t-blocker, facial hair removal, or HRT you should really pause a bit. Your actions and your words aren't matching and so you should re-evaluate. It's the least you can do and we say this from experience not because we read it somewhere.

Do research, research your feelings, seek out a professional counselor, and did I say research? :) Julie totally slowed me down. I can't ever thank her enough for her openness and how it changed my life. She's so brave and she lived her life the way she wanted to because of what she said. She's a got out a get it gal.

I respect you so much Julie for saying if you did it again you'd probably do it the same way because that's who you are. I can be honest and tell you this is the first time reading where you are makes me feel like someone who is all tucked in their bed, on a brisk evening, for a good nights sleep. :) I'm so proud of you!!!!! :)
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