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Everyone has a "space suit" that they wear every day. We dress that "space suit" differently to define in our western culture several variables. Power, position, sensitivity, sadness, happiness, drab, drag, do it, don't do it, and the list can go on.

If this is all I am, then be it that I am. It is very hard for some to accept the concepts that I have brought to light in this thread. That is, chemical related thinking for the most part.

That is not all that you are only according to various religions that we have come to follow. Some in larger numbers than others. The answer to all of this is simple.

There is [the truth] this is what really is but it escapes us because we all have "our own truth" which is formed by all of our experiences to date. That is, "my truth" on any subject is what I think and do not attempt to alter or deceive anyone when providing that information. To me, it is "the truth."

The way that humans confirm what they know, is to compare their beliefs with others. "Birds of a feather flock together." Collectively, we then manage to get the answer that best suits us and validates our current beliefs.

Ten people in a room. One by one, they report the room is blue in color. A final observer says that the room is red. We assume that the person with the "red" answer has something wrong with them. Majority rules or the use of statistical reporting tells us that it is highly unusual for only 1 in 10 to be right by disagreeing. Is that person wrong?

No! The other 9 people were all told before hand that the color being used in the room is called "blue." None of them have ever seen anything referred to as the color "blue." With no point of reference, they repeated "their truth" based on information handed to them before entering the room. No one heard anyone else answer, as they were all in the room, alone when making their report into a voice activated tape recorder.

This example is meant to make us aware that there is [the truth] and then there is "our truth." Only a super-being, God, deity etc., can know [the truth], as this entity is without peer. Therefore, [the truth] can only be defined by that being and only that being as it is [his/her truth].

If I tell you there is a God, which is "my belief, my truth." I arrived at this because someone in authority over me told me this. I believed them at the time and adopted "their truth." They in turn at some point were told and convinced that this information is correct. And so on.....

If you tell me that women in general are more accepting of the T* community than men of the same human race, it must be "your truth." You believe it and pass on the information to me. I can accept the idea or reject it as an adult but perhaps not as a child if I see you as an authority figure in my life. Teacher, parent etc.

As children we were told things and we adopted them into our belief system. We become what we believe and we for the most part, support, practice and transmit this information to others.

As a child raised in a Roman Catholic family I was told not to question the faith of the church, to just accept it. I am sure that this same concept was used in other families, of different faiths throughout the world. Each faith being the one that God truly supports. How can anyone know this? Remember, only the Supreme Being can know [the truth]. Every idea known to man is tainted with the hand of man including any biblical reports, scrolls, or testaments. Forget the concept that the Bible was written by men that were guided by the hand of God. God never told us that. Men did. Men that believe this and have made it "their truth."

What I personally believe is because I want to believe, not because I am told to believe. Let us take extra care on this subject so as not to harm any one's feelings. Religion and politics are most precarious pitfalls. I do not wish to hear a "fire and brimstone" trilogy from anyone. God loves me this I know........

I have said it before; women use both sides of their brain more efficiently than men. They are more often willing to accept things at face value than men. Each gender has its place and I consider that reasonable.

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Hi Danielle,

I hear you. No offence was meant, trust me. :)

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Hi, Danielle;

If I somehow offended you in my post, I am truly sorry. No offense was intended. On the contrary, your posts have my mind atumble--in a good way. You raise extraordinarily interesting issues. I may not agree with everything you say, but your thinking is provocative and insightful.
You touch in your latest post on the nature of language and how it conveys meaning. This whole semiotics thing is a constant puzzlement to me. You know, the word is not the thing, and all that. I could babble on that one for hours, and confuse myself more than anyone else.
Anyway, on the issue of whether women are more empathic as a matter of nature or nurture, I honestly don't think we can know. I guess that when you look across cultures, you can make a strong case for nature, and I guess I'm just being either ornery or hopelessly idealistic to think that we different nurturing can change the nature of the beast.
Where you and I and CJ are in accord is that we agree that we do wear masks every day, and in every relationship. The people I see in business don't see me in the same way as family or friends, and none of them see what all of you see in these exchanges, and even I wonder who the hell I am--and, who I am today is not the same as who I will be tomorrow--both metaphysically and physically.
Jeepers, does any of that make any sense, or does it sound like post-midnight nonsense? But, please, Danielle, please do not take anything I've said as disparaging. I just want to engage in a really important and insightful conversation, and the last thing I want is to be hurtful.

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Hi Sara,

No, it's not post-midnight nonsense. It's pre-dawn psycho-babble. Heh, just kidding, love, just kidding. :wink:

You called these the BIG QUESTIONS, and I agree. Although I get canned for it sometimes by my friends, I love debating the big questions. It's philosophy as therapy, in a way. I think that people who slide around on the gender spectrum especially stand to gain by exploring matters of personal identity, ethics, and other aspects of metaphysics (not the least of which is the thorny issue of free will vs. determinism, given that crossdressing is, by all accounts, a compulsive behaviour).

Yes, it's good to discuss these things. And I think we have to do so with an open mind as well as a certain playfulness. I don't intend to take myself too seriously in this. Just seriously enough for it to make a difference in my life.

As always, it's an awesome pleasure to get your input on these things. 8)

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Ladies:

I must address something here. I am in no way offended, hurt or otherwise. I enjoy the opportunity to both banter and consider other opinions. Without that input one cannot grow and mature in a balanced way.

Years of writing have made me rather “curt” with my synopsis of information. After all, when we talk to someone face-to-face, words represent about 15% or so of the conversation and the rest is facial expressions and body language.

When we all converse this way via forum, we do sacrifice a great deal of information about the individual that posted the data. You have been great! Very warm, sensitive, kind, considerate, educated, well mannered women. I would be most happy to attend any function with you if that were practical. For the most part, T* people are great!!!

Thank You……!!

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Hi Danielle,

Thanks so much for the kind words. You seem to be a wonderful lady yourself. :)

It would be fun to get together but it's not something I have much experience in. Besides, Florida is pretty far from "la Belle Province." This forum is good, though. I like exchanging ideas and viewpoints with stimulating minds. The hard part sometimes, for me, is staying on topic. I mean, there's so much to be amazed at out there....not the least of which is ourselves. :wink:

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I have a son, 31 yr, and he is bi-polar. My spouse is bi-polar as well so I have spent the better part of 3 decades improving my education and understanding of this genetically transferred personality trait.

Several of the siblings on my spouse's side of the family also are bi-polar, there are 7 children in that family, 4 clearly are bi-polar.

http://www.bipolarworld.net

A resource of information if anyone needs bi-polar related support.

From my research over the years I examined many different positions on several unrelated subjects that further enlightened my mind and gave me a more substantial understanding of the inner workings of the human mind.

Reading for me is more than a pasttime, rather, a source of continous support and research in several medical areas that effect my spouse these days. Type II diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, all of which are under control without the use of drugs except for the high blood pressure at this time.

Today you must be your own best advocate and take aggressive action to gain the appropriate results.

I think that T* issues are just as important for the community-at-large to further their legal and social support throughout the world.

I will go back and read the last 10 or 20 posts to see if I missed any points.
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Okay, I'll throw my .02 cents in here . . .

I believe science will eventually be able to explain "conscious" although I expect someone's grand unification theory to be proven first (because, for one thing, its less complicated LOL!)
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Hi Alexandra,

Thanks for your .02 :) No doubt, a GUT or a TOE would have a direct bearing on our understanding of the nature of consciousness... Now, wouldn't that be a blast? Simultaneously discovering how the universe holds together and how we're able to ponder such things....

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Alexandra:
Well, didn't Douglas Adams come up with the answer to life, the universe, and everything? I think the answer was something like "42," but it's been a while since I read those books.

Danielle, thanks for your thoughtful response. You seem like a terrific, thoughtful, and caring woman yourself--and my heart goes out to you when you describe some of the things you face in your personal life. Coping with bipolar disorder is so difficult for those possessed by the demon and those who love them.

Like CJ, I'd love the chance to get together with all of you sometime, but that would also be a giant step for me.

Anyway, you are so right about how people communicate, and mere words often leave us at a loss for what we're trying to say. (There' the old joke about that: "I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.")

CJ, as for staying on topic, sweets, the way we move from one thing to another so easily is one of the charms of this Forum.

Yes, T people are great. Maybe we should start our own commune, something like the Transcendentalists tried at Brook Farm back in Emerson's day?!

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Hi all,

Yes, Sara, I think that's a great idea, a commune; our little community of like-minded sisters could become known as the Transcengenderists! :wink:

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[quote="CJ"]Transcengenderists! :wink:
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Christina:

What a great word!

We could set up a meeting house like the Shakers, but with and extra row. Men on the left, women on the right, and we'd get the middle!

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Girls, girls, girls,:

I am hearing words like commune, community, "birds of a feather," and "click group." Think alike, talk alike, look alike, (oh, girl I just love that sweater by the way)........yikes!

You know what that leads to! Exclusion and worse, social discimination.
It sounds good but we need others in the group to keep a balance. Remember "the Dodo way of life" ---- re: Walt Disney film.. "Iceage." I love that film...seen it a dozen times.. Still enjoy it for a burst of fun and relaxation. The silly Dodo's of course went extinct by selectively isolating themselves from mutual diversification and hoarding a few mellons ha ha..
You girls are great fun!!! I am really happy to see you providing input and new ideas.... really....!!!

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I'm inclinded to agree that chaos can sometimes be a good thing. :shock:

Society has a whole has for the most part excluded us, so the idea of creating our own society would be repeating the mistakes made throughout history.

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sara said: "I think the answer was something like "42,"

me: I think the new number is 11. (as in eleven demensions -- the string theory) 8)
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