Coming out nice and slow to colleagues

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Hi all,

Okay, so we're three months down the road from my last post. Here's an update.

My colleague's tenth anniversary party is in two weeks. We're producing the calendar this week. In fact, one of my co-workers was put in charge of creating the calendar (including photo shoots for those who are cameraless) and he's at work taking pictures of a couple of our crossdressed colleagues as I write this.

As for me, I turned in my own pix last week. Although I can't say I'm quaking in my heels, I am, I have to admit, a tad nervous. A couple of my female colleagues saw some of my photos last week and commented that I looked pretty and that (gulp!) I seemed to have gone to a lot of trouble (yeah, ladies, forty years worth of trouble! :P ). Anyway, as things stand, almost half the members on my team already know about my CDing so, now that CJ is peeking out of the closet, I imagine this calendar will force me to step fully out of the shadows and face the gaze of all my colleagues. I've decided (after turning the issue this way and that in my mind) that, should anyone inquire as to whether I'm a crossdresser, I'll simply tell the truth.

Some of the photos I left on the diskette at work (I decided to let the colleague in charge choose an appropriate pic among fifteen or so) are up on the forum's Gallery (obviously, the "boy mode" pic isn't a calendar candidate).

I'll let you all know how things turned out in a couple of weeks.

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Hi Christina,

Congrats!!!

I think that is very BIG news. I wish you the best!!

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Hi all,

Thanks, Beauty. :)

I had my first reaction today from the colleague in charge of producing the calendar. He said, "Wow. You're very pretty. I'm not sure I'll be able to look at you the same way ever again." I spoke to one of my colleagues also today about this particular reaction. She knows about, and has seen pix of, Christina; she said I can expect some fairly rocky but possibly not unpleasant times ahead as people try to get their heads around what my looks could mean. Oh well, I'm game. More news soon, y'all.

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Carolynn,

The unfortunate reality is that most of us do lose friends and/or family when we 'come out'. While nobody directly indicated non-tolerance to me, many simply faded away and I just let them do so. I do not feel like I have the right to disrupt the life of anyone, nor do they have the right to disrupt mine; therefore I still appear as 'Phil' at family events(though this really means no finishing touches but I'm in women's clothes though it's not highly evident).

I too considered the consequenses of coming out before I did it and came to the conclusion that if someone's relationship to me was based on superficial appearances or the shape of my body, then there wasn't much substance to that relationship anyway. I like to know exactly where I stand; there's not much worse than needing somebody in a pinch only to find that they exited while you weren't looking, leaving you to deal with things on your own. No true friend would do this to you, so therefore if someone abandons you they weren't a friend in the first place and you're better off knowing this from the start. As to extended family I did not choose them, and in my case I would not have chosen them if I had been given a choice and they always knew that!(Most of my 'people' are what we call "Po white trash" down here).

I know of many who waited till retirement to come out and that is probably as wise a decision as a person can make. One of the biggest factors in our life is finances, ie: employment. Once you've retired that is no longer an issue and society's strongest tool to make us conform to THEIR standards is then no longer effective against us. And it's almost expected of us to go our own way when we retire, so if you decide to 'come out' it won't be as big of a splash in the pool as it is when you do it earlier.

One of the big differences between the average male and the average female is their relationships with other people; males tend to make almost all of their friends in their work enviroment while women make more friends outside of their work enviroment. So when a male 'drops the bombshell' his work is highly affected; while a woman who does something similar recieves less reaction at work. Adding to that is the fact that most of our friends are of our own gender and that women in general are more tolerant of personal differences, it becomes clear that males build their own 'he!!' moreso than women do; which is why coming out is usually a bigger issue for us. We're partially to blame for the problems we find when we come out because we chose to make it that way. I believe that for genetically male TG's, a lot of the reason we continued to conform to this pattern was to help us keep our inner feelings repressed thinking it would help us control them. While that attitude may enhance your carreer, it does nothing good for the spirit of the person in question. And that's what's left when you retire...

Do nothing rash without adequate thought beforehand except with your lover and you'll do just fine!

Penny T. :)
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Hi Penny T,

Excellent post!!! =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Hi all,

Penny,

It's good to hear from you and thanks for your well-rounded thoughts on this. I agree with much of what you say, especially concerning the discovery of who our real friends are when we come out of the closet.

I speak often with my ex-GF (she and I are still good friends) about the nature of my relationships once my CDing becomes known. Her own take on it is that I should never confuse the desire for self-revelation with the desire for intimacy. According to her, it's inappropriate that I should reveal my transgenderedness to colleagues regardless of any golden opportunities to do so, such as is this drag pinup calendar, for example. I agree with her to a certain extent. Unlike friendships outside the workplace, the link I have with people at work is a "necessary" one, insofar as I can't very well choose not to see my colleagues if things should go sour (well, not if my job matters to me above all else, at any rate).

There are two considerations that motivate my decision to no longer hide from my colleagues, however. First, it's not the case that my job matters to me above all else. I'm a hard-working, self-motivated individual and I've rarely been out of work in my life. Of course, I've worn many different hats on the job market because of my belief that better it is to be happy with a fair-to-middling salary in a job I love than unhappy doing highly paid work. I've only ever been fired twice in my 28 years on the job market (and they were both McJobs in my youth). So, if it's truly the case that colleagues cannot deal with the fact that I'm a fluidly-gendered person, then sayonara folks, I'm outta here (thankfully, that's never yet been the case). The second consideration is the fact that I work in an environment where it's a requisite thing that we work "with who we truly are," that we be fully in touch with our own humanity in order that we may better connect with and help our target clientèle (I work as a community mental health counsellor with people suffering from severe and persistent psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia and BPD). We're almost expected not to hide our own true, sometimes messed up, nature so as to provide our clients with alternative models of psychological health and wellness. As our boss often reminds us, "you have to be crazy to work here." Hence, we work in a very open environment. For example, a colleague came up to our boss one day and told him he had something to get off his chest. He then told the boss he was gay. My boss, so the story goes, looked him in the eye and said, "will that interfere with your work?" "No," said the colleague. "Go on, then," he was told, "get the hell out of here and have a nice day. I'll see you at the meeting." It was just never an issue. This, along with my strong bonds of friendship with my colleagues (especially with those on my own team) makes me believe that I'm on the right track, here. As I mentioned in a post above, already some reactions are trickling in and, so far, it's all been positive. I know the storm may yet come. But, hell, I've always loved rain, anyway. 8)

Again, Penny, thanks for the input.

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Hello Penny T. :)

I want to thank you for your thoughtful reply to my post. Do I recall correctly from the old CDDF that you are a ways down the TS path yourself? Your post struck some cords, particularly in the of area who your real friends are, and where your friends come from in your daily life. Got me to thinking about that, and it is really largely true. I do have a few friends of long standing that have nothing to do with work, some that friendship started as a result of work that I have been friends with beyond and through some rough times, and those that I work with and like but I never visit the homes of nor do they drop by mine.

I was pretty dispirited when I wrote part of my post to Christina, but I was also "fresh" from the Christmas encounter I wrote of. Since then a few changes give me some hope. The controversy over gay marriage had an interesting effect on my brother-in-law, because I guess, he is at the root of it all a fair person. It was his carefully considered statement to my sister after watching news coverage for several weeks, that he saw nothing wrong with gays having a legal marriage, and they should certainly have the right to be married if they were in a committed relationship.

What really got to him, according to my astonished sister (and paraphrased) was the fact that even though a gay couple may have had a sustained relationship for years, a partner had no rights to common property, couldn't even visit a critically ill partner in the hospital as family or make necessary decisions for his care, and other points of unfairness. He also commented that of course, that meant divorces could be just as nasty. His final word on the subject was to the effect that since we were supposed to have separation of religion and state, it made no sense that there could not be a legal marriage with all the rights of a heterosexual one, but he could see where a church, as the kind of moralistic entity ( his words- I didn't know he knew what it meant) it is, could have a choice about a wedding in the religious sense. He also said he figured even that day was due.

The fact that he could come to that conclusion on his own, and say it, does give me some hope for future events. I know that his thoughts were in the abstract, as he probably does not knowingly even talk to anyone who is gay. But he did think, and that surprised me. My sister has known and has discussions with several people of both genetic genders fairly often, and is OK with them, but as far as I know, she has never faced up to it from within the family, nor has she ever mentioned knowing someone who is TS. Our future will be interesting, I suppose, if potentially stressful. I hope she will enjoy getting to know her sister. :)

CJ, I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have class and you are awfully fortunate in the career, the place, and the people you work with. I will be interested to see the photos for the calendar. There would never, ever be anything like that in our small unit of 16 people. Most of my coworkers are too old and/or too staid to have that much fun with themselves, even though they work with students daily in a university environment that should make them more at ease. But they're not.

Our secretary is young enough in her thinking that she and one of the students tried to organize a Halloween dress up day two years ago, which was University sanctioned with prizes offered, no less. The secretary, one student, and I were the only ones with any costume elements, though one other did don a Lone Ranger style mask as a token. No, I did not try any gender bending or gender blending either. I thought about it for, oh, about 3 seconds, before reality check set in and just what I expected, happened. Oh well, two years and counting! ##oo##

Thanks again Penny and You too CJ. (--) My best to all. :)
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Hi all,

Carolynn,

You'll find some of the photos I submitted for the calendar on the forum's Photo Gallery. As you'll see, I obviously tried to play it straight (whereas most of my colleagues will be going for a laugh, I think--I haven't seen their pix yet).

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Hi all,

Well, I've seen some of my colleagues' photos. ..OO..

They're, uh, charming. No, seriously, they're turning out fine. I'm surprised, to say the least, by some of them. A few went for laughs (and are actually very funny) while others tried to play it a bit more straight.

You might find this a bit childish on my part, but one of the anxieties I had was that the calendar pix would offend me as a crossdresser as much as it stands to offend our GG colleagues because of the campiness of the photos. But, no, when I first saw some of these shots a couple of days ago, I naturally ended up ROTFLMAO... rotf

This whole project is looking to be mighty fine. We'll have to wait and see what happens next Tuesday at the party. I do have butterflies, though. I feel like a débutante. 8-[ 8)

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CJ, Is there any way you could post your colleagues' pictures? This discussion has been interesting and I'm curious to see how everything turns out.
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Hi all,

Lisa,

You know, I've been debating how to proceed should this very question come up. I think that, ethically, I'm a bit duty-bound to refrain from posting pix of my colleagues on the Internet. I respect their privacy as much as I would want them to respect my own. I'm sure you understand.

It's not so much that they're photos of my colleagues as it is that they're photos of my colleagues, crossdressed. I'd be very nervous about these shots being considered out of context. Of course, we all know the context here, but, I believe that, once a photo (or a text, for that matter) is out there, on the great web, it becomes irretrievable and undeletable--someone somewhere may have copied it, for example.

I tried to figure out ways around this. For example, by digitally masking their faces--but their faces are the whole point of this transformation! I'm still scratching my head over whether it's possible for me to show these pix without violating my own sense of propriety. I do have photos of friends, even CD-related friends, who've specifically asked me never to show their photos to anyone else and I would, and will, never do so. Although there was never any discussion concerning the eventual fate of these photos once the calendar is done, there's been much joking around at work about the possible consequences of these shots winding up on the Internet and I think it's pretty clear that it would be a bad thing for them to show up here (especially given the fact that some of my colleagues know that I'm a member of a crossdresser's forum--they just don't know which one). All in all, Lisa, I think that, unfortunately, my hands are tied on this one. :( Sorry.

Do you have any ideas, maybe?

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I think you should go with your initial gut reaction on this. Your sense of ethics is well founded.

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Hi all,

Well, that's it! The party was last night. We presented my colleague with the calendar (amongst other things). His reaction was absolutely priceless! So was that of many other of my colleagues who hadn't yet seen the pix. Plus, I spent the last three days before the party working on a 24"x36" poster that included many alternative "takes" not used in the calendar. It, also, was a definite hit.

And, then, the questions came. Oddly enough, and though I did, indeed, take some good-natured ribbing, it seemed that most people preferred to approach me individually with their questions. Mostly, people were curious as to why I'd given myself so much trouble. "It weren't no trouble at all," I'd reply, "I had a lot of help from my dad's wife" (which is partially true). Most said they'd never be able to look at me the same way again... which is fine by me. One in particular told me that I should explore this side of myself. I told him I do, that I'm not afraid of my femininity. Another told me I look better as a woman than I do as a man (probably, there's a compliment buried in there, somewhere). The boss just thinks we're a bunch of weirdos. The one question I was hoping for (and yet dreading at the same time), nobody asked. No one was curious (or had the courage, maybe) to ask me flat out if I was a crossdresser. I was definitely ready to answer in the affirmative and let the chips fall where they may. Oh well, no doubt I'll be fielding more questions and comments as the days go by. Again, I'll keep you posted.

Thanks to all for your interest in this. This was a big thing for me. It's pretty much over now; I'm breathing a little more easily this morning (despite a massive headache--no, Christina doesn't hold her liquor all that well!).

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Hi CJ,

Sounds like a good time was had by all. //party

Perhaps you didn't get "the question" because they felt they might be crossing the line and getting a bit too personal?
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Yeah, that's what I figure, Kathy. Oh well, I'll get the question eventually, I'm sure. Especially given the fact that three or four of my colleagues already know (there are about 25 of us in all).

And, yes, a good time was definitely had by all! We're getting a little older, though; apparently, there used to be a time when this annual party would stretch into the wee hours, but now, people tend to leave around 1:00 or 2:00 am. Plus, nobody does the hot tub anymore. :( :wink:

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