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Hi all,

Interesting musings, Danielle. Whenever I see this issue of care pop up, I'm reminded of Carol Gilligan's theories on gender socialization. Here's an excerpt from an overview of her work:

A second major critique of Kohlberg's work was put forth by Carol Gilligan, in her popular book, "In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's Development" (1982). She suggested that Kohlberg's theories were biased against women, as only males were used in his studies. By listening to women's experiences, Gilligan offered that a morality of care can serve in the place of the morality of justice and rights espoused by Kohlberg. In her view, the morality of caring and responsibility is premised in nonviolence, while the morality of justice and rights is based on equality. Another way to look at these differences is to view these two moralities as providing two distinct injunctions - the injunction not to treat others unfairly (justice) and the injunction not to turn away from someone in need (care). She presents these moralities as distinct, although potentially connected.

In her initial work, Gilligan emphasized the gender differences thought to be associated with these two orientations. The morality of care emphasizes interconnectedness and presumably emerges to a greater degree in girls owing to their early connection in identity formation with their mothers. The morality of justice, on the other hand, is said to emerge within the context of coordinating the interactions of autonomous individuals. A moral orientation based on justice was proposed as more prevalent among boys because their attachment relations with the mother, and subsequent masculine identity formation entailed that boys separate from that relationship and individuate from the mother. For boys, this separation also heightens their awareness of the difference in power relations between themselves and the adult, and hence engenders an intense set of concerns over inequalities. Girls, however, because of their continued attachment to their mothers, are not as keenly aware of such inequalities, and are, hence, less concerned with fairness as an issue. Further research has suggested, however, that moral reasoning does not follow the distinct gender lines which Gilligan originally reported. The preponderance of evidence is that both males and females reason based on justice and care. While this gender debate is unsettled, Gilligan's work has contributed to an increased awareness that care is an integral component of moral reasoning.


From: http://tigger.uic.edu/~lnucci/MoralEd/overview.html

This "Morality of Care" has much to do with the Dalaï Lama's "Ethics of Interdependence," discussed in this very thread. I tend to agree with Carol Gilligan that girls (adult GGs, eventually) are the primary, but not exclusive, recipients of such a moral education. Hence, perhaps, their greater ability, as our relatives and SOs, to cope with crossdressing, especially once the suffering behind it comes to light.

Again, thanks for making me work my brain around this issue, Danielle. You're a very stimulating person, you know that, girl? 8)

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Hi CJ:

Somehow, your responce sounded a great more indepth that mine, ha ha LOL.

One of the reasons for my active participation here is to gather examples of communication for a class that I have on-going at this time. No, I do not use anyone's name etc., only bits and pieces of both the central question and the response in kind.

We then examine the tenet of the question and how the responce answers or addresses the question. We have a point system developed several years ago by a committee of inquiring minds at UCLA. Currently, some mega-corporations use ths scale in examining a new job candidate or to re-examine communication job skills with existing employees.

There is no right or wrong. No high or low. A mean score is applied then tested against other mean scores in specific categories to arrive at a comparrison of accurate word usage, and several other parameters. All designed to examine communication accuracy and to spot people that need to improve their comminucation skills through future training programs designed to improve and reduce errors among employees, vendors etc.

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Er, um, ah, did I pass? :wink:

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Hi CJ:

Er, ah, you see about communication. It left you to wonder if you passed. There is a line that says:

"There is no right or wrong. No high or low". No pass or fail would be what I would derive from the quote. Communcations. The very reason that we study communications, when words are in plain text form, it still leaves the receiver the opportunity to question what was said in the text of the words.

Since you used a question mark after "pass" I can only worder if you read what I typed and understood. If you had used an exclamation point my thought would be that you understand and that you are only exclaming your understanding and not questioning your status in regard to the pass/fail concept.

Communications. I am still learning.

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Hi all,

Just had to resurrect this thread; it's just too much fun.

Elizabeth's recent thread (Do we mean what we say?) and the responses to it in the Who Am I? section of the forum got me thinking about the differences in the way men and women relate to those around them. This, in turn, got me thinking about the work of Carol Gilligan again. I knew I'd written something about Ms. Gilligan in the past... I just didn't realize how far back in the past that was! Perhaps I'm simply older than I think! :lol:

Some of the replies to Elizabeth's original post--especially those written by GGs--at least partially echo the conclusions put forth by Gilligan; namely, that men tend to espouse an ethics of justice, based in a concern for equality, whereas women tend to espouse an ethics of care, based in a concern for emotional consensus. I thought this issue might have some bearing on what Elizabeth is asking when she asks whether or not we always mean what we say. That a woman will allegedly say "maybe" when she in fact means "no" may have something to do with her not wanting to "break emotional consensus" (in the sense understood by Carol Gilligan). Of course, none of this has to do with the issues of sexual assault and harrassment identified by some through the various iterations of the "No Means No" campaign.

As usual, you started a great thread there, Elizabeth! You rock!

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Danielle, you still haven't told me whether or not I passed your communications test. :wink:
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Hi CJ:

I do not wish to seem "wishy-washy" here, but....pass or fail is an academic method of establishing the "right of passage." After all, most of us rarely remember what we learned in college. We only think we remember for the most part, bits and pieces, unless of course you were a "math" major, history major etc and have some current point of reference.

Pass/fail? I think that is up to you to decide. If I make that judgment then it is only my opinion. On the other hand, you make the decision and you must live with it. Hmmm? I think that sounds about right. After all, communication is still being defined academically all the time. We now prefer email to the hand written first class mail letter. Speed...acknowledgment and satisfaction in the fraction of the time when compared to the "post."

If you press me for an answer I will tell you that there are perhaps 10 people that I look forward to hearing from on a regular basis. Counting yourself, that makes 9 others.

Thoughts are things! They represent the humanity in us and separate us from the animal kingdom. I was told that there are those that think that having experienced a "death" experience (form of communication) and then come back to the living that they carry information in their physical, chemical brain on the event. I fear they are mistaken as that would be information from a non-physical world that they claim to have recorded physically.

Hmmmm? Think about that bit of philosophy and then get back to me girlfriend! [Klato Mirada Nictoe]!

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