"Deathly Afraid" - Answer to Carolynn Summers

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"Deathly Afraid" - Answer to Carolynn Summers

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This is an answer to a post Carolynn Summers made in her blog. I didn't really want to answer it there because I feel I may ramble on and on - which would get in the way of her blog as her "adventures".

Carolynn Summers wrote:
This is for all you girls that are afraid you will be recognized when you are out in public dressed. You are deathly afraid someone will recognize you and call you out.
I kind of remember saying I was "deadly afraid" of stuff on here. But the two times I found weren't in this context. One was of being "deadly afraid" of drugs, the other of getting lost in the CDing and not being able to come back.

Amongst other things that does suggest that there's an element to the CDing where it could turn into a sort of drug for me. I think that probably has to do with a part of me that really wants to disappear from the world so that I would no longer have to put up with the stresses and strains of the male role.

On the other hand, it is becoming more and more apparent to me that part of me is female and that part needs expression in one form or another. I don't really have any doubt that I would be walking about dressed as a woman if fears about being called out and humiliated didn't surface all the time.
Ist example: When I retired and my then wife was still working, I would dress when she left for work. (She didn't know about Carolyn.) During the day I would run errands as Carolyn in our small town. One day while doing the grocery shopping, I was pushing my cart around the end of an isle and there coming down the isle toward me was my oldest sister and her husband that also knew nothing about Carolyn. Well, my heart skipped a beat but I just continued shopping down the isle. They passed me without any recognition. I figured as long as they didn't hear my voice I was ok. I passed them again going down a couple more rows.
I actually had one case where my father didn't recognise me. This was after I'd been on holiday when I was 18. I didn't realize at that stage that I'd need a shaver - because I borrowed my dad's whenever I needed it (not that often) - but after 6 weeks I'd ended up with a beard. For some reason I didn't have my key when I returned and pressed the doorbell. My dad said "Not today thankyou,"...

So, although this isn't CDing, it is even your relatives don't recognise you if you're not what they were expecting.
2nd example: This has acually happened a couple of times with different people. I needed an estimate on some plumbing work for my basement. On the day they were coming for the estimate (friday) I had planned to visit my daughter. She doesn't know about Carolyn so I was in guy mode. The man came and I spent some time with him going over what needed to be done. I decided to hire him for the job and it was scheduled for the following Tue. I told him that I would probably not be here but someone would be here to let him in. Well, that some one was me, Carolyn. Even though he had spent time with my male self (about an hour) three days before, he had no idea that it was the same person. I went down two or three times to see how the work was going and talked to him about it. I had to sign the order form that the work was done and gave him the check that had already been made out. He thanked me and left.

I guess people see what they expect to see and don't look more closely. I am 100% certain that he had no idea he was dealing with the same guy he had talked with just days earlier.
When I was 9, I played Titania in a school play. There was a report in the local newspaper. They made a thing about me being a convincing girl - not a mention of my acting, though. I always took that as me being able to pass - which is both scary and gratifying. Scary because of the aforementioned fears of getting lost in "my woman" and gratifying because I'd just love to be treated like a woman.

Of course I'm much older now...I have specific fears to do with maintaining my passability as a woman. I'm pretty sure that some of the time, and from some angles, I look alright. But it seems to come and go. Like I can look in the mirror and suddenly I'm not convincing at all. I think the likelihood is that part of me is afraid to let go and just "be" a woman and that's holding me back.

One of the things that I can't seem to work out is just how I can get in and out of my house. Like this is where people know me and I worry that some at least of them would use the knowledge that I was a CD against me. I don't drive - so all the options to do with changing in a car are out. I guess there probably are ways, but it seems my motivation is not currently high enough for me to use them.

Generally, because this is London, I'm unlikely to run into real trouble if I kept to walking about in the ordinary ways that people do - I could probably cope with a level of people having a go at me. But it could really affect my life if some of my neighbours started to do that.
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Hum... will have to find the thread to have the context but I find this interesting and useful as I settle into the fact that I am who I am and my gender is what it is - kind of a blend somewhere in the spectrum between solidly masculine and solidly feminine. I am settling in, have moved feminine undergarments into my masculine underwear drawer, I have shaved legs and brilliant shiny red toe nails which are constant and are an acknowledgement, when I think back across my life it also reinforces that from an early age I have been here.

Opening the door to people who we know to be safe carries relatively low risk in our own home. Why are we afraid? I am now 57 healthy and fit but 57 and I have only achieved the freedom to dress at home and feel fully relaxed. I have gone out for a drive, or outside but only in the middle of the night because I know there is little to no risk involved. It is so hard to move to a fully open life but at times I feel I could make that choice. The more people who know the more my confidence grows as I find acceptance. I guess it is the fear of rejection or worse. Why would rejection by a stranger matter to us, perhaps it is a fear of massive rejection and jeering by a sizable number of people out in public, fear of bodily harm. There is fear of being seen by people we know who we know would reject all of us when they know about this part of who we are, well, are they truly our friends or are they just acquaintances because they do not know us very well or well enough to know our feminine gender traits or our true gender which is a blend. I suppose there are family and in laws who could hurt us perhaps financially - what are they going to sue us?
I suppose the prospect of having our friends and acquaintances shrink down to a handfull of people because we are partly feminine. I suppose at that point it would be important to ensure we no longer seek to hide our feminine traits from people so that our network of friends and family could no longer be challenged in this way because everything would be out in the open.

I think as we open the door of our closet we wish everyone we know knew us fully and accepted us openly and then what difference does it make if a rude individual or two flips out because they are offended to see us anywhere in public. Don't we have a right to be alive? I do not think I have heard stories on any Crossdressing blog, or ever heard in the news stories about large crowds of jeering people chasing down and attacking a man wearing women's clothing.
I am retired and independent financially now so I have no fear about people at work knowing, and financial advisors or contacts I suspect would not care, they do not really know me anyway and my money is green. But these kinds of fears have us cowering in our closets and homes or even within areas we feel safe in - but this is our gender afterall we should not fear to be or to go anywhere and be who we are. Now I am rambling guess I will stop.
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Anthony,
How to escape the house unnoticed? You can't in some cases but you can minimize the audience and you can minimize them watching. Just walk out, lock up and keep going. I hadn't been caught going out, but just the opposite -- coming in. There was no escaping so that was my 1st neighbor to know. He had walked right up to me.

Have I been terrified about getting caught? Not so much but didn't want it to get back to the better half. All I could do was ask for consideration.

One day someone might eventually ask... Then you get to decide if you're coming out or not. It doesn't have to be some elaborate dog and pony then, but enough to give them the answer until you are ready to dicuss the whole thing or they are ready to listen.
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I did go out - in the car to run an errand dressed in female Jean shorts and my casual mary jane style fabric and leather black pumps with tennis shoe type soles (I do intend to purchase some nice feminine running shoes because I think they would look better) and appropriate undergarments. Found a little pouch to put my money in, then fixed the lining on one of my wife's small purses which I intend to start using. I am military retired and went through the checkpoint, female security forces guard at the gate but she could only see me from the chest up, went to the pharmacy drive up but used the air tube - shorter line. All in broad daylight. Behind my house I even went outside briefly out back dressed this way.

This is not a huge step but ... sometimes cars are selected for inspection and I would have to get out of the car the risk is rather low but it is a random thing that could happen and there I would be with cars coming and going standing there with doors and trunk open...

The car could break down and with nothing to change into that is male ... well, Jean shorts are not that obvious and i did carry some deck shoes to change into.

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Thanks for the specifics, Davita. If nothing else, it helps me clarify my mind when the sort of reality of it comes through.
Davita wrote:Have I been terrified about getting caught? Not so much but didn't want it to get back to the better half. All I could do was ask for consideration.
That is one problem for me. I have a couple of neighbours I've had a track record with. Both have looked for angles to give me trouble in the past and, while things are OK now, this sort of thing is a gift for people like that.
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I have the greatest fear about going out dressed as Requal, as am very well known in my suburb and my masculine employment and hobby. I would have to go out of the city to do this, and then will probably still not have the courage or confidence.

Just at the moment I like Requal as she is: private and confidential.
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Back to Anthony and something for all you girls to think about. It's hard to blackmail you are give you are hard time if you simply don't care. I've never worried about being threatened with being exposed so it could never be used against me. No matter how worried you are, if you let on, it will give some people ownership of you. All the chances we take are obviously neccessary chances (even for the adrinelin junkies). We all have to decide what the consequences will be if our perfect plans aren't so perfect.

BTW, cops don't care what you're wearing at the car inspections; they are worried for their's and other people's lives. Just do as they ask and be relaxed. You probably aren't the most strangely dressed person some have come across. Same with a car accident; just take care of business with them.
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Anthony wrote:
I think the likelihood is that part of me is afraid to let go and just "be" a woman and that's holding me back.
Yep. When I'm around people who know me in both genders (like my sisters), I find myself trying to reassure them that I'm the same person, and so I'm mixing 'his' and 'her' behavior in a way that doesn't work well for me. To really let go and be my girl self is easier to do around strangers, because they don't have any comparison. Both my voice and my mannerisms are more convincing. I will say, Anthony, that I had to get used to really being submerged in this new identity. It was a much deeper pool when I let it go where it wanted to go.
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These thoughts are so useful for those of us out here still making baby steps. My gender just is, I am not required to fully understand it, it just is. Having confidence without fear and coming out fully solves many self inflicted difficulties. In fact being in a secure position helps in this process. I was not seeking an adrenaline rush driving on base to do an errand, I was just getting out because I wanted to go out and I did not want to change, next time I will have my purse with me.
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"Deathly Afraid" is not a term I would use, getting caught does not cause death. But I understand the meaning behind it. It's the worst thing imaginable, life as you know it changes forever. Be considerate to the people who you open up to, spouse or friend. We didn't ask for this secret to hide and not fully understand.

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You are right "We didn't ask for this secret to hide and not fully understand." None of us did spouses, friends, or any of us. My poor wife was faced with this because I hid it until 7 years into our marriage I will forever feel bad about betraying her like that when I should have been honest sometime within the first month of our relationship. She should have been given the choice. I may find once she has gone and after I have grieved and laid her to rest that I will never find another woman to be with me for the rest of my life especially once they know but I will be honest and open with them very early knowing a good budding relationship may be cut off. Perhaps I will develop a sense or a way to screen for women who will likely not care how I dress but instead will love me for myself alone. I am trying to live more openly so if a woman picks up the cues they will probably be there? If we are fully open than there is nothing to hide from anyone that way no one will feel they must hide a secret for us - that is unreasonable and we have no right to expect anyone to cover for us, it is just not right. If our friends or our spouses want to protect us for their own reasons then they are no longer doing it for us but for their own reasons and freely. As for understanding us, I do not think any of us really understand ourselves if we think about it too much...
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Davita wrote:Back to Anthony and something for all you girls to think about. It's hard to blackmail you are give you are hard time if you simply don't care.

With the best will in the world, you can't be what you're not. She does care - my woman side. Not so much about blackmail, I think she can deal with that - She just fights back. But about people looking at her like she's...well, you know all the things people can get up to...she'd have trouble with that.
I've never worried about being threatened with being exposed so it could never be used against me. No matter how worried you are, if you let on, it will give some people ownership of you.
The trouble with me is I'm generally transparent. Of course, if I think the guy is a complete b..., I can lie like hell. But otherwise, I just can't maintain it.
All the chances we take are obviously neccessary chances (even for the adrinelin junkies). We all have to decide what the consequences will be if our perfect plans aren't so perfect.
My woman side is a bit of a peace of mind junkie. I can take chances as a guy - often on the back of her voice in my head (she's a much sounder judge than male me). But she...no, I think she likes to be protected and baby-stepped to where she's got to go.
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At this stage of my life as a CD, I dress female 24/7 and I have done so for over 10 years, I don't give a hoot if I'm spotted by a friend who only knew my male side.
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Anita wrote:Anthony wrote:
I think the likelihood is that part of me is afraid to let go and just "be" a woman and that's holding me back.
Yep. When I'm around people who know me in both genders (like my sisters), I find myself trying to reassure them that I'm the same person, and so I'm mixing 'his' and 'her' behavior in a way that doesn't work well for me. To really let go and be my girl self is easier to do around strangers, because they don't have any comparison. Both my voice and my mannerisms are more convincing. I will say, Anthony, that I had to get used to really being submerged in this new identity. It was a much deeper pool when I let it go where it wanted to go.
My problem is that my male side wants to be dominant and uses tricks and games to stay like that. In short, it cheats. It's like it absolutely doesn't want to give way and allow "my woman" to be an integral part of how I think about myself.

It's actually a mental problem and inside my own head - rather than the stuff about going into the outside world. When I say "I think the likelihood is that part of me is afraid to let go and just "be" a woman and that's holding me back", I'm not sure that the root of it isn't my desire to stay "a man".

I mean it in this sense. If I allow myself just to "be" a woman, even if I then come back and am the man I've always been, there is something lost. It's that sense men have of being "men". For, if you know that part of your life you're a woman, then that destroys the sense you have of "really" being a man. You never do come back to that.

But it's all a weird illusion. I'm coming to realise, since my dad's death, that there was an awful lot of maternal stuff in the way I related to him. You could say that it was even over-riding in the sense of taking care of him (and it wasn't "male" taking care either - that's not the sense). It's just that because that was all hidden in the day-to-day way I operated, I never had to address it. It's like I got to pretend I was "a man" even though, a lot of the time, I was operating as a woman.

I mean that is what "my woman" is like - something I've discovered in the last year or so - she's maternal. It's just that now, I think I have to let her take care of me.
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Carolyn Summers wrote:
This is for all you girls that are afraid you will be recognized when you are out in public dressed. You are deathly afraid someone will recognize you and call you out.
I had met one former customer while dressed, and I had a conversation with her--we ran into each other at a coffee shop. That was years ago. But Friday night, two of us were going to our usual after-meeting restaurant, and were waiting in the entry to be seated.

A customer from last year, and her husband, were coming out. He didn't know me that well, and I didn't recognize him, either. He excused himself, as he had to brush past us. Then I saw his wife, and I knew she was familiar--I just couldn't place her. She was preoccupied, and didn't even look at us as she went past. Her father-in-law did, though. I think he was somewhat surprised by us, and looked back inside as he shut the outside door.

I might have said something, if she had looked right at me. I would not want to guess whether she recognized me or not--I'd rather take the initiative. In a way, I'm sorry I didn't get to speak to her.

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I mean it in this sense. If I allow myself just to "be" a woman, even if I then come back and am the man I've always been, there is something lost. It's that sense men have of being "men". For, if you know that part of your life you're a woman, then that destroys the sense you have of "really" being a man. You never do come back to that.
The older I get, the less I care about that. I do see that it's a possibility, but there's less and less about my male life that I identify with. So leaving it behind doesn't distress me that way it might have when I was 40, say.

I'm trying to remember how I looked at that when I first took on the identity of a woman. I think there was some regret for parts of me that I was leaving behind. There was no going back, though, and I soon adjusted to the new point of view.
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