Bathroom laws

[Janet Bern]

Donald Trump said it best.
"It is working so leave it alone."
Stop passing crummy laws that cause problems.

[Martha G]

One of my favorite quotes is:

If it a'int broke, don't fix it.

There are too many fixer uppers in the world.

[Eileen (SO)]

Janet, Martha, for once it would be nice to keep this thread here instead of Hot Topics.

For all of human history, some men and women dressed as or identified as the opposite sex. Some are more convincing than others. Not till Obama issued an illegal change to Title IX allowing equal access based on gender identity, not presentation, were restrictive State laws enacted in retribution.

No one is checking your birth certificate to go potty. I'm perfectly comfortable with a CD or Trans lady in the washroom, as long as they look and act the part, not merely identify as female. All my life, there probably have been dozens of CD or Trans ladies sharing the washroom. Nothing had to be changed as there was very little discrimination, if any.

The huge majority of the population has rights as well.

Eileen

[Paulette]

I believe "presentation" is assumed.

If one identifies as a member of another sex, one would certainly attempt to dress to match. If not, how could they justify their supposed identification?

To put a finer point on it, no sane woman would expose themselves to a child, or even to a strange person as part of their own gender identification. (No sane man either.)

There have been unisex bathrooms throughout parts of Portland and San Francisco for many years with no trouble that I'm aware of. I've read of one instance where a man, dressed as a man, entered a labeled woman's restroom as a protest against the ruling - I think it was in Texas. However, I do believe that US Presidents have the right to make such decrees regarding agencies under their jurisdiction.

Unusual, yes. Illegal, I think not.

[Janet Bern]

As usual you are right again Eileen..
Keep up the good work.

[Sarah Beth]

There have several studies done into assaults by transgender persons in restrooms. There have no, zero, nada, none cases reported of any such thing ever happening anywhere where this has been allowed for years now.

I have asked the only GG that I know that I can ask about this and that is my wife. She told me that she is pretty sure that she has been in restrooms with someone who was trans in the past. To her it was a non issue one because she wasn't really sure and the other because she didn't see anything she wouldn't normally see in the restroom anyway. People come in do their thing and go on their way.

These laws are being pushed for by people full of hate for anyone who doesn't believe just exactly as they do. They I really believe are a minority but that minority seems to have gotten the power in a lot of places anymore and they will wield that power as long as the people let them.

[DonnaT]

There have been recent episodes of men, dressed as men, using the women's locker rooms or restrooms, where they state they are trans and entitled according to the law.

Thus, if they must make a law, one that makes sense, the law should state that the person must appear as the gender portrayed.

Problem is, there a number of women that don't appear to be women, and they already get hassled.

So how do you write a law that is fair and just?

Do you require a government issued ID to use the facilities?

Does the Fed. Gov't start issuing trans ID cards through gender therapists?

[DonnaT]

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The law making voyeurism a felony is on the books. Is there need for further laws?

[Carol Elizabeth]

It looks as though one or two bad apples do more than spoil the barrow ---

they spoil the entire crop!

[Eileen (SO)]

While there have been no instances of assault by TG's, less restrictive policies have allowed men to enter areas they previously dared not go. Voyeurism may be illegal, but it's hard to prove intent, unless a camera is involved.

Paulette, 13 times, and counting, the Supreme Court has unanimously overturned Obama's Executive Orders. It takes time to work through the legal system. This Title IX change is illegal. It does remain in effect until it is overturned.

The original intent seems to fix a discrimination problem on College sports teams. The result has been discrimination against genetic women forced to share locker areas and compete with genetic men. The spill over into public and private washrooms was inevitable.
Well intentioned laws can have negative effects.

All in all, washroom polices never needed changing in the first place. My husband and her girlfriends all say that they felt safer before than now. Public awareness and higher scrutiny has taken away much of the thrill of dressing as a woman in public. Their emotional need is to be assumed a woman, not accepted as a man that identifies as a female.

Eileen

[Bernice]

I have precious little to add to what Eileen wrote.

Ever been to a large outdoor public event? All those port-a-potties, and nobody has a problem? I think that may be the ultimate solution: Identical stalls for all humans.

I really don't see what genetics have to do with it. For one, not everyone neatly fits with XX or XY. For another, post-ops should not be forced to use the room they would rather not use.

But that's just me, and everyone knows I'm weird.

Hugs,

Bernice