A coward against genderism

[Anne Bonny]

Isn't it funny how I am? But I do like being able to be one way...kind of rough, tough, at other times light and able to go the other way. How do people want to be just one way? Guys relax...have a beer...shorts and t shirts...Suppose cause they never ever feel any different as I do when I feel feminine or find myself in a feminine mood...how can I ever live having to be a guy all the time? I experience a full range of emotions and moods and am not able to be locked in...I like both and cherish my feminine side too so much I would not be able to be any different.

To each their own...but I hate being judged, objected to. I hate people thinking...you are a pervert you have no right to wear opposite sex clothes no right to feel as you do! But I can't help being who I am as they can't help just being who they are. It's not fair for them to object and reject and judge me because of who I am...I don't do that to them!

I hate having to live my life surrounded by bigoted genderists! That's what they are and they feel they have an absolute right to discrimination against us everywhere to drive us under a rock, deny us a job, not allow us in some places or to be out even in a neighborhood...discrimination is the same racism, genderism, sexualityism...

Makes no sense to cover as a woman does, to feel attractive in the same way, same sense of modesty, same desires to like the same adornments to try to be pretty, attractive and beautiful in the same way...not with a male body...but it's exactly what we do.

They only want people who are like their selves and so set out to push and persecute those who aren't so they don't have to deal with or ever see them...denying we exist by calling us names.

Because they are in a super majority...they get to do this to us...it's not fair!

Yep for everyone who varies from their idea of what is.

Is what it is. We may be targets and victims but only if we allow ourselves to be. I stay in the house...I shouldn't but can't stand the pressure placed on us.

I suppose I am weak but just do not, just feel I can not withstand people who may walk up and assault me verbally and or physically...or to stare at me with extreme disapproval or to make fun just for my being who I am. I am a coward I suppose for being so basically unable to do as my heroines do such as Charlie Martin...oh gosh so beautiful! So out there, and fully enjoying every breath of her life fully alive racing her cars on the circuit out there fully open to all the world and celebrated by many. Then I see how Caitlyn Jenner is savaged everywhere be everyone and in feeding frenzies on the internet...still she is out there! She has a rock solid constitution ...I am such a coward. I hold my whole life back because I do not want to burn it all to the ground and risk losing everyone in my life...few though they are and I would not lose everyone but I would risk losing a very few who are so very dear to me! 

Idk, Perhaps I will find courage courage to risk and to take the slings and arrows and bodily injury, physically, emotionally yet still undaunted continue on...well...age 60 when the hell is this rock solid gut going to possess my female side!? 

[Lacey Hadley]

Anne.


One can only make demands upon a society to tolerate others and ideals. One cannot demand any persons to accept them and their ideals. Acceptance may be earned along with respect. Any group especially a minority group cannot impose acceptance onto others notably a majority. If what any group or persons' ideals can be shown and nondestructive to others, nonviolent to others and nonthreatening to notably minors, then a case for action to enforce lawful tolerance is what can and should be demanded. Today many activists and others push to impose acceptance of other ideals and ways of life notably onto the majority. This pushing will fail. The western developed world has been and is the most respectful and just world society ever to be seen and recorded. All the gains, some big and others small of many groups and ideals including our for us tiny fight in crossdresser and more so the transgender community has come out from the western developed world. Has it and our society been perfect? NO! even the western developed world has many flaws. Humans are flawed and can't expect perfection, though we can move closer to it, sort of like that repeating number in math. But we have remedies to use and our society has progressed to greater knowledge, more justice and tolerance to even more acceptance.

There will never be a perfect society as humans are flawed and myself as a crossdresser cannot expect acceptance by all. I living in a western world nation that has some cornerstone of justice and a hope for good government can only make a demand for tolerance. I can demand my lawful government and its authorities to protect my right to live my life in peace and as long as I do not use in this case my crossdressing against others, shall to be left alone to find any satisfaction and peace for myself. I shall expect to be able to share of myself even as a cder to others who have accepted me, but I cannot force acceptance of me onto them... I may have to at times in my life just WALK ON BY!

People judging and prejudging people for a whole host of things, ideals and ways of life go back to the beginning of human time. It's a character flaw in humanity. Again we can only demand our governments and authorities to enforce lawful tolerance of us and any others with their ideals and ways of living who act lawfully. Being able to inform and educate others who may care to learn about our lives and in this case crossdressing and the transgender communities is all we can ask for of others beyond our demand for lawful tolerance.

[Anne Bonny]

Lacey,

Yes, I agree. I am doing more decrying than whining. I realize we are a tiny minority a mere fractional percent of the population of the world. I suppose I am just hoping, it is not unreasonable to do so that tolerance and a younger generation as they grow mature and move up the latter will be even more welcoming and encouraging than our own. In our day we have seen homosexuality recognized not as a perversion but as a trait some are born with, hence there is much more tolerance and acceptance. Gosh there are so many who are brilliant and who are leaders too. I am heterosexual, for myself the issue is gender not sexuality so I hope in the years to come to see similar progress for us. I do fear the influence of Islam...In London a poll a decade or so ago the acceptance of homosexuality was 60-70% in the decade or so to follow Muslims now make up roughly 50% of the population of London and a recent poll acceptance of homosexuality dropped to something like 44% in an open and tolerant western society. Pretty scary as Islam grows at a rate over twice that of western society and there are now several million living in the United States. In the middle east if you are "Gay" (and I suspect we would all be lumped in as being considered gay) they are executed, or thrown into prison. That should be of concern to any who are part of the LGBTQ community yet some are out there supporting acceptance of ISLAM and crying for more of it.

[Lacey Hadley]

Anne.

I agree with you 100%.

I have grave concerns over who the LGBT community actively supports and why? Many LGBT activists are out and out socialists and hate the west notably the USA, so they are quick to align with any others who also hate the west and notably the USA. It blows my mind as western values have done more to be progressive towards any and all minorities than any non-western societies values have.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend... Ahh not when you are being thrown off of tall building roofs

For much of my adult life I chose to take the blue pill. In my virtue signalling it was a pill that gave me and gives any others who take it a general bliss and fantasy, but kept/keeps you from seeing the real world and the reality of life. It kept and keeps you from choosing personal responsibility and accountability. It did/does feel good on the surface of life tough. I then mostly by accident took the red pill about 2-3 years ago and it was as if a life long veil was lifted from my head and cloud removed from my mind... Scary stuff at first but now it has been the most awesome pill of life as I now see the reality of life and society more easily and I accept found truths as well as search for more understanding of truth around me. This has helped me to better govern and live my life in all ways.

The red pill has allowed me to choose more of my life for me, feel more empowered over my life, not trying to present as if I'm some boo hoo victim, but I choose for myself and accept my choices made good, bad or indifferent.

FOLKS! LIFE IS NOT FAIR! IT NEVER HAS BEEN! IT NEVER WILL BE! SO GET OVER IT! Accept this and you free yourself from these awful bonds of this never to be seen 'fairness' and its pathetic step child 'virtue signalling'. Once one accepts this then one lives more for oneself and as a result will able to do more out of FREE CHOICE for others in and around one's own life. Of course a society should endeavor to as in the US Constitution says, build a better union... Make life progress better for all but stop wasting time brow beating for fairness as it only in the end makes life less fair. The western developed world got it mostly right but I fear it's slipping with its social justice politics and never ending virtue signaling along with its with woeful self loathing.

The best pill taken in my life has been the red pill... NO REGRETS AT ALL!

Anne, I could go on and much deeper but will not at this forum. But in ending I have some very grave concerns over future life in the western developed world as its general values are being painted over or torn up to appease others who have in the end less true virtue, less traditional values, less western values.

[Amanda R]

I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I have no idea who said this nor who I first heard it from, probably Mrs. Tyner my junior high History story but that is a whole other story. To me it is what makes this country great. It tells me that even though we have disagreements we will band together to retain that right to disagree.

That said I disagree with both of you Anne and Lacey. We and by that I mean the entire LGBTQ community, have the right to demand acceptance and the rights taken for granted to the "straight" community. Also it means that we have the right for those who disagree with our lifestyles and choices to accept us as humans with the same rights and privileges as they have. It does not mean they have to like it but they do owe us the same respect as any other human being that fits the image in their mind. We are no different than any oppressed group such as the Civil Rights movement of the 60's or the feminists of the 70's and yes before you go any further I know these groups still have a long way to go. We are being denied basic human rights and we need to stand up and let the world know enough is enough! It makes no difference how large or small a minority we are we have to stand up for ourselves for no one else seems to be doing it for us.

Let us not look who to blame but rather how to win the that acceptance from the rest of the population. There will always be fringe groups out there be it the radical Muslims, neo-Nazis, Evangelicals, or whoever that will hate people who do not fall within their defined parameters of "normal." The solution lies with the youth of the world. No child knows to hate someone because of their skin color, religious affiliation, gender orientation, or whatever! It is a learned response and like most of those traits they are a manifestation of upbringing and peers.

Ladies the time has arrived for us to quite sitting around in self pity and take action! It makes no difference where you fall on the TG scale from the heterosexual CD to full out post operative TGs. The time is here and now for us to step up and let the world we are not going away and we are not abnormalities, pedophiles, freaks of nature, or whatever term some use to marginalize us for if you don't you have no one to point the blame of being discriminated against and not accepted at except for yourself!

I don't remember the exact quote but it s something like this:

They came for the Socialists and I said nothing. Next they came for the Jews and I said nothing. Then they came for the gays and I still said nothing. Now they have come for me and there is no one left to speak for me.

[Lacey Hadley]

Amanda, only lawful tolerance can be demanded onto others regardless of who and of which issues. Acceptance can only be asked for.

If say one person hates blacks, does not want to be a part of their life and wishes to avoid interacting with them as much as they can. One cannot enforce acceptance of blacks to this person. BUT! One can impose lawful tolerance of these people on that person.

I as a crossdresser can not impose acceptance of myself onto any other person. Other persons are totally free to hate me and yes even tell me so in the public sphere including public social media, on my property or home they can STFU. Sure I can choose to be hurt from any vile words. If some person in my ear shot saw me dressed as in my avatar pic say, "Look at that sick faggot wearing women's clothes...disgusting...sick perv going to Hell!" What do you want me to do about it? Would confronting that person fix things? Telling that person to STFU will not stop their ignorance or hate. I could ask them why they feel that way as me minding my own business dressed as a girl affects them not. They could choose to sit and listen but what if they don't?

Yes, being insulted as such hurts, people don't normally like to be hurt even with words, but such is life. Not all people will like all people. I'd rather have them be able to speak and show their hate and ignorance, than force them to shut up and build more resentment. Shutting them up does not stop their hate and ignorance. But again if I and/or we hear them maybe they will be mature enough to sit and talk. To see that different people may not be so different.

For the rest and all in society THE LAW shall be there and enforced to create tolerance. One may not like me, may not accept me, nor my aspects of lifestyle but DAMMIT ONE BETTER TOLERATE ME UNDER THE LAW!

[Diana Michelle]

The best pill taken in my life has been the red pill... NO REGRETS AT ALL!

Lacey, that simple statement while IMO has no business is this discussion is perhaps the root of this and many other issues facing society. We want to put everything into neat little piles. Blame the Liberals! Blame the Conservatives! Blame the Immigrants! And yes Anne even Blame the Muslims! It makes things so much easier to put everything into a little envelope. I hate to break to you but there is enough blame to go around for all involved. We have spent enough time assigning blame and nothing has happened, the time has to come to seek solutions!

Amanda, only lawful tolerance can be demanded onto others regardless of who and of which issues. Acceptance can only be asked for.

Lawful tolerance is nothing more than a rehash of the military's failed DADT policy. It says "Yea I kind of supposed it is out there but as long as we don't have to talk about it and maybe if I close my eyes it will go away." One tolerates a meddling mother in law, one accepts a family member who changes religion when they get married or for that matter swallows the red pill. In one case you just ignore them even though you know they are out there. The other you learn to accept and welcome them in your life in spite of your differences and even possible aversion to what they did or are.

I believe Amanda's comparison to the fights for Civil Rights and Women's Rights are excellent analogies to what the LGBTQ community is going through currently. It is not about wanting to be special but rather simply enjoy the same rights taken for granted by the majority of the population. Have we forgotten "all men are created equal" and "life, liberty. and the pursuit of happiness"? I am far from a scholar or historian but I do remember those terms vividly and maybe foolishly still believe they still ring true today.

Yes we are at a crossroads, both the LGBTQ community and society in general. If you want simple tolerance then sit home and stew about who to blame this week and curse at the news. However if you truly seek acceptance and a future for what ever the issue is get off your butts and get out there and let your voice be heard! Volunteer, march, contribute (and by that I mean not just financially but other resources such as time, expertise, etc.), and get active! I think Amanda's closing statement says it all.

[Lacey Hadley]

Dianna,


Acceptance cannot be forced, it can only be asked for and earned. Tolerance under the law is all a free society can enforce upon others. Laws exist in generally free western societies that protect minorities, all minorities. Western developed nations have remedies for those who act against our laws and who actively discriminate against any persons of society. Are our western developed world nations perfect? Hell no! and they never will be as humans are inherently flawed. To expect perfection is an unattainable idealism. We can navigate society to make sure we endeavor to fix any wrongs, to remedy our seen failures, but sorry we can't stop all of our human failures from happening tomorrow or the next day or the next day after that. Trying to only burns up energy and time. Until humans reached God-like perfection we will always find failure... Sorry but consider that a RED PILL moment.

Taking the Red Pill and even discussing it here on this thread is not uncalled for. The Red Pill for me was seeing the utopian world I once virtue signaled for over many years of my adult life by ingesting the blue pill was really baloney. Sadly utopia does not exist in reality on this planet and in our lives. Red Pilling to me opened my eyes. It empowered and empowers me to live and do better for myself to be truer to myself which can be hard thing for us humans as we often can live for others at our expense.

I carried proverbial water from virtue signaling for much of my adult life as I blue pill ingested. I was all in for it for quite a while. I never saw many carry proverbial water for me and my 'issues' as most were never on a society's radar. I have come to see that virtue signalers rarely have society's best interest at hand and often many use virtue signalling for their own gain. That is a part of Red Pilling for me.

Empowered people make choices for themselves and live by the consequences and the freedom to make said choices. IMO this builds better, stronger, more just and well off societies. Again, Perfection??? Nope! Not in our lifetime, not in our world, history backs me up on this.

Well that is my 2 cents here and I come from a long personal history of liberal leftism... Duped willfully so IMO!

[Noeleena]

Hi,

The can of worms wiggles .

Dressing how one wonts to,

Working as one wonts to,

Living as one wonts to.

And being accepted as one wonts to,

Wow , Okay. Just one detail does demanding prove any thing does being so forcefull create a loving invironment does it foster acceptance, I quess being a Kiwi i have little idear and dont know your people ,,,,,,YET,,,,,,,

Maybe i do and maybe i have talked to many men from your country and have acceptance in the 100,s okay spos not many as you all have still i do talk to them and i mean many hours worth, yes i v been flat refused by a few 6 at the most so a good odd,s over all,

Come over here to our country and stay a while i,ll indroduce you to my ,,,Many ,,, Friends and see how they react quess theyll accept you because your with me and are my friends take you to our Orchestra and 5 brass bands and one wind and singing dress how you like it wont matter,

Come with me to our Edwardian group all dressed and like us in our Finery all dressed as it was in Edwardian times ,1900 -1914

Come with me to our Renaissance group,s again dress as you please with in our times of 1400 - 1700 that gives you scope i,m Prussain = German and a Kitchen Frau,,

You wont acceptance then be acceptable to others on thier terms get to ...KNOW.... them understand where they are coming from you wont acceptance then join in with them .be a part with them .
grab the towel or serve tea help clean up ,,,,yes....be a servent be involved get down on your knees and clean that dirty floor clean the windows in other words get down and dirty .

Live the Life be that life and go out and meet people about your self who ever they may be ,
, so ,

But But ,,,,,,, society thinks........and so,,,, look beyound society and see those around you,
Who do you know by name and invited to your house or for a meal ,

I,m a member of our Scottish society and have now for a few years , i was invited to be on our commitee truth is i had no say i was told i,m on and as a lol,s i said ,ummm do i get a say, nope, oh , okay...... do i get to think about this , nope....... can i say noooooo ,,,nope ,,,oh .i,m on then ,,,yeap..bugger,,,,,,,

I had no thought about joining so you see whats going on i was invited,

and this has happened many times for myself ,, you can ask, how come,

well they saw in me something and they wonted myself to be with them to work with them and just be a part of what we do ...TOGEATHER......

For get about i maybe different forget about wether im male or female or even how i dress, or what in none of that mattered they wonted who i am as a person. They know my background and quess what none of that came into how they view or see me ,

all i,v tryed to do /.say is i have been ,,,GIVEN....acceptance based on who i am , not on what i wear or even being born different none of that matters at all , these many people / friends see far beyound my external look or my lacks or faults ,

Points ,

How to be accepted , and with out demanding rights ,
how to be loved , love first,
how to be part of those around you , join in with them,
how to have a life, live it with others,

You know what ,I,v proved this time and time again and i know it works,.

...noeleena...

[Anne Bonny]

Hi Noleena! I think I prefer your course of action. The world will change and evolve over time...some can be activists or they can work for laws to ensure various rights are not denied...to work, for housing, etc... No I agree again we cannot force acceptance.

But I prefer your getting down to our personal lives just being with people and getting to know each other and do things together. I have an inner ring of people who know who I am, they knew me as friends first and acceptance once they know is really wonderful.

We cannot change the outer world of society but on a personal level we can have the most impact on bringing about change and true acceptance by simple living our lives interacting with others and being invited and involved with them. Then they carry to others a changed attitude and from a new understanding that would transfer into them defending us out of our earshot to lay off...they'er just people like we are etc...

We can have an impact on the evolution of society toward understanding and acceptance of who we are simply by interacting with others on a personal level...it seems negligible but like a little yeast in the dough the effect is and can be powerful...Yes I see that.

So without doing anything, just seemingly living and interacting...we do wind up really having a rather sizable impact after all.

Kind of like the old christmas movie it's a wonderful life when the main character is given the gift of standing aside and seeing how awful the world would have turned out had he not been in it at all having never existed...then at the end of the movie his faith in life is restored as he re enters his horrible situation as his friends line up to provide him support and help in his hour of greatest need because of all that he did for them....

A person does have a great impact on the world around them without ever realizing it until someone gives our eulogy which unfortunately we never get to hear. Gee...I wonder if anyone will even give a eulogy or will just throw my rotting corpse on the landfill!? Way I feel.

[Diana Michelle]

Kind of like the old christmas movie it's a wonderful life when the main character is given the gift of standing aside and seeing how awful the world would have turned out had he not been in it at all having never existed...

That is a sweet thought Anne, however before one thinks this is the way one has to have a reference point to come from. What if there had never been any of the first GCS (then called SRS) surgeries? What if there had never been any of those pioneers? Those who took those first steps out of the closet into the light? Had those initial surgeries? Risked the taunting, discrimination, and even hate? Where would I and every other TG be today? Who would then be standing there watching the world at the hand of the angel? See my point?

Yes winning people over one by one through interpersonal relationships is a wonderful thought and it can and does occur everyday it is not enough nor will ever reach all. We need a "national" stage, a soap box from which to tell our side from as many of our haters have them already. they are the political stages and pulpits in many cases, how do we counter those?

I know activism is not for everyone for whatever reason. What I do know is without those who stood up before us and won us the glimmer of hope we have now have left us a legacy we must continue. It makes no difference whether it is the civil rights movement or women's liberation, or those pioneers in the LGBT community, we owe it to them to stand up and take those next steps forward. Do you remember the movie Independence Day? The speech Bill Paxton gave to the ragtag group of pilots as they were about to go into the battle against the mother ship says it all. I do not remember it all but I do remember the line "We will not go quietly into the night!" That is IMHO what me must do. We must stand up and tell the world we are here to stay!

We have been asking for tolerance and acceptance Lacey. You see what that has gotten us so far. You talk about how the western world had laws and protections in place and yes Canada has taken a huge step by incorporating LGBT rights into their constitution and I applaud them for doing so. Come south of the border and we have a President telling the American population transgenders are too expensive to allow them to serve in the armed forces. What's next?

The fight for the right to be who you are has gone on for a long time. Here we teach the children that "all men are created equal and they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Wonderful words from the Declaration of Independence but way too many seem forget this or add a caveat such as long as you are like me.

People reject different and seek what makes them comfortable, It is why immigrants seem to live in communities with others like them. People feel comfortable discussing religion with only those of their own faith. People of similar political beliefs tend to associate with each other rather than of opposing views. This is human nature and not sure how one changes that except through time and education. There was a time the Irish were the hated immigrants now it is the Muslims. The song is the same only the musicians change.

Amanda said it earlier in this thread and Barack Obama recently tweeted it. Children cannot hate for they do not know how to. They are taught to do so by their parents, peers and society. They start out innocent and are indoctrinated to fear and hate the unknown, the different, and those who believe there is another way. You talk of the glass half empty, I prefer to think it is half full. Yes Utopia will never occur but we can sure as hell get a lot closer than we are now.

[Anne Bonny]

Hi Diana...Well it still makes my point...everyone's individual life makes some kind of impact on the world so you are absolutely correct...Just imagine if those surgeons never existed....or gender pioneers....or if those courageous enough to leave the closet...never existed.... Exactly. Every life has an impact, your life, my life, Noleena's life, all of our lives. Each of us in our own way do have an impact. I may not be an activist...but I have opened the closet door and I have shared who I am and all that I am going through as I struggle with all of this with a lot of people...Those people are now aware, those people understand a little more...so...what will they do with it? Will any come to defend us next time someone says something stupid making slurs about us? Will people who know us and who see our lives come to see we are as we are and that we are as they are and will they in turn influence any others so that over time attitudes begin to change?

Some of those who we influence may be led to get up on a stage advocating for us, or they may know people and tell others who will advocate on our behalf?

Yes, of course we are here to stay, we have always existed all through time. I suppose each of us advocates for our right to be in one way or another. Western Cilivization, western values have been the reason we are able to make progress. If Western values are eradicated we will find ourselves living under the threat of death persecution imprisonment and any and all progress we had made will be forever gone for our generation. I am an agnostic, but we are all in a way living by christian values in the west, bring in authoritarian barbarism as is happening...well that should scare all of us because they are absolutists and the ideology they bring is not mere disapproval...it is death in some horrible way...they want to kill us and if they come to power and take control of our country our lives will be in very real danger. Islam is radically different than the The Irish or other waves of immigrants from other western countries. Even Asians. Islam is a theocratic ideology which states convert or die, leave you die, do not pay the dimi tax die or at our discretion, Islam is a complete life system that is totalitarian, absolutely authoritarian you cannot compare this warlord political ideology to anything else in the world that I can think of. So I disagree and believe it is very naive to believe Islam and Muslims will live peacefully side by side with us ever. There are some but there are many many many more who will never do so and that is why everywhere in the world where Muslims and islam rule the countries look like Beirut in the 70's. When they have absolute control there is "Dar Islam" which means everyone lives under absolute submission to islam where if you are not islamic or if you do not follow islamic precepts you will be barbarically tortured, mutilated or killed. I will take living under Babtists to that any day they do not seek to kill me. Once they gain a majority they begin to run for office and when they win they institute shariah law and then they start their persecution of infidels. Jihad by migration, or plain old jihad or war....does not matter in the end. there is a 1,400 year history marked by jihad, beheadings, conquest hostage taking ransom death and slavery conducted in the most brutal fashion. Islam began with conquest by warlords, they beheaded any who resisted, Muhammad took for marriage a 13 year old girl.... The Islamic pirates existed in the late years of Rome, The Islamic invasion of Europe when Crusaders pushed them back... then the Barbary Pirates - "halls of tripoli" and on into present day it is an unbroken history of slaughter. Islam has not and never has been a "religion" of peace it is a theocratic ideology that is radically different than any religion I have ever seen...perhaps the Inca and the Aztecs but they are extinct.

Islam will never be as depicted in Disneyland. You cite our founding documents but these are in danger only one generation away from being eradicated if not sooner, and if Islam ever takes power here those documents will be burned and replaced with Shariah and the Koran and the auto biography of Muhammad. They are as bad as Nazis or fascists or communists and do not forget that communists killed more people than the fascists but Islam has probably killed far more and is an ideology that belongs on the ash heap of history.

No no no...I will never accept Islam and Muslims as just another group of people who will peacefully assimilate where ever they exist except perhaps as a tiny minority not living in enclaves. they marry younger early 20's, they take more than one wife, and their population grows at a rate that is 4 times greater than that of any other western country where the rate of growth is actually less than enough to sustain current population levels 1.5% or round about this level.

I agree with everything else but Islam...no. Sorry those advocating this will see as we are currently seeing, the slow strange death of Europe.

Remember when Muslims exist as a tiny minority they adopt tactics ... they practice deception known as Taqquiah to deceive and to mislead the infidel until such time as they can gain the upper hand. They race before an available camera and denounce the death of any and all lives demanding Islam is not the cause because they are a religion of peace...but tapes from such mosques months before or after an event can be produced with these very same imams preaching death to the infidel and the adoption of Shariah law. http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/u ... islam.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LET ME MAKE CLEAR I AM NOT AGAINST PEOPLE OF ANY ORIGIN WHO ARE FROM AREAS OF THE WORLD THAT ADHERE TO ISLAM....IT IS ISLAM ITSELF AS AN EVIL THEOCRATIC IDEOLOGY, JUST AS COMMUNISM, AND FASCISM. THE GERMAN PEOPLE, PEOPLE FROM RUSSIA OR CHINA ARE FINE BUT THESE SAME PEOPLE WHO'S ADHERENCE AND BELIEF IN THESE EVIL THEOCRATIC OR POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES ARE NOT PEOPLE WE WANT TO ALLOW INTO OUR COUNTRY.

[Lacey Hadley]

Anne I agree with you prettywell 100%. The scary thing is right now in Germany what you wrote here would be seen as criminal and you would be charged with said crime and likely suffer a jail sentence. You are still very fortunate to live in the USA, the only nation of any repute in our world that has FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ASSOCIATION RIGHTS. Even my Canada does not offer true free speech, nor true free association. As to Bill C-16 (the trans rights law) it seems good on the surface, but it's not. It does not entrench any constitutional rights to transgender Canadians as our Charter already protects all citizens even transgenders equally of rights. C-16 is just a politically motivated 'virtue signaling' law that is anti-free speech. C-16 when/if acted under Canadian law will in the end hurt true transgender people and even possibly crossdressers as it imposes censoring laws on speech and actions of society, a general society that in day to day life  really does not live to think much about trans and cding people. But will by said law now fear it being use against regular society and as such will create inevitable blow back.

Transgender people will suffer as the transtrenders and their myopic vision of activism of creating some victim status among a Canadian society that is generally seen in the world as quite tolerant. A society of regular folks who will out of fear off this unneeded law will likely avoid anyone who looks and acts transgender, including actual transgenders who generally just wish to live their lives in peace as the gender they feel. Transtrenders play this non-binary, floating in between gender game of look at me identity politics of 'I'm a victim'. The vast majority of otherwise polite, normal Canadians will not understand this C-16 stuff and will as I said avoid as much as possible these transtrender activists. These otherwise normal Canadians will do their best to NOT hire them, to NOT rent housing to them, to NOT associate with them as much as possible. It is not as hard to do if one wishes. I've already read, heard and seen many Canadians speak to this already... As such again genuine transgendered people and even maybe cders may suffer the wrath of societal blow back to silly, unneeded SJW type law.

Motion M-103 is not a law (yet) but is an explicit anti-blasphemy motion written only to cover Islam. It may slip to a law one day in Canada as such as laws like this are spreading all over much of Europe today... People are going to jail in places like Germany for mere posting photos of historic events that may seem as critical of Islam. In Britain a man has recently been sent to 6 months of jail time for in public reading of a Winston Churchill quote on Islam... Germany just past a law forbidding Germans to even criticize Islam. As messed up as your lying MSM media is saying as to the USA, YOU ALL DO NOT KNOW HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT! You are the only nation I know of that enshrines your rights as BIRTH RIGHTS! It forbids your government from taking your rights from you. Yes in reality activists in government have tried to subvert this. But unlike the USA, Canada and most/if not all other nations give rights via government and not by divinity or god.

WITH THIS STUFF IT'S ALL CRAZY! AND WILL LEAD TO MUCH, MUCH, TROUBLE AND GRAVENESS OF PUSH BACK IN TIME AND THAT MAY BE BAD FOR ALL!

my 2 extra cents.

[Anthony Simon]

IMHO This has turned into a discussion where politics and/or religion is 99% of the content - and the TG element merely vestigial. So I don't think it should go on here.

[Diana Michelle]

You are 100% correct IMO Anthony.

I will remind Lacey that yes we here in the United States enjoy the right to free speech and association. However Anne may have forgotten and perhaps Lacey is not aware that our Constitution also affords us the right of Freedom of Religion.