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Last night, Saturday the Discovery Channel repeated two hours of two programs that I thought I had seen before but there were segments that I definitely don't remember. The first hour was Female to Male SRS and the twin sisters where one transistioned to male was absolutely amazing! Both developed from the same egg, yet one wanted to be male and pursued that to its ultimate conclusion, where as her twin sister got pregnant and followed the "typical" female journey! They had some phychologist on saying that the transistioning sister could have been "turned" with proper counseling (my opinion bull s...). The F to M go through much the same things we do as CD's upto the point of SRS.
The second show was following up on a couple of cases and the plight of Dr. Marcy Bowers. She was head of a medical department at a major (I think they said- teaching hospital - no name) At the time He was a he and told he story that "he" was voted the most sexy Dr. in the department by the nurses. He said he had a big smile as he accepted the "award" and was thinking about the sexy, lacy teddie he had on under his surgical smock!!!! OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!! After SRS 'She" is now one of the most sought after surgeons in the country for SRS and is in Trinadad, Colorado.
Several of the Psychologist and psychiartist interviewed continue to confirm what we as CD'ers know: we are just "hard wired" this way and we deal with it in our own ways.
Virginia
The second show was following up on a couple of cases and the plight of Dr. Marcy Bowers. She was head of a medical department at a major (I think they said- teaching hospital - no name) At the time He was a he and told he story that "he" was voted the most sexy Dr. in the department by the nurses. He said he had a big smile as he accepted the "award" and was thinking about the sexy, lacy teddie he had on under his surgical smock!!!! OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!! After SRS 'She" is now one of the most sought after surgeons in the country for SRS and is in Trinadad, Colorado.
Several of the Psychologist and psychiartist interviewed continue to confirm what we as CD'ers know: we are just "hard wired" this way and we deal with it in our own ways.
Virginia
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Hello Virginia.
You said... "Several of the Psychologist and psychiartist interviewed continue to confirm what we as CD'ers know: we are just "hard wired" this way and we deal with it in our own ways. "
As always, I respect the opinion of those who believe that concept applies to themselves. However, as always, I feel the need to say that I don't agree with it. I do not believe CDing is "hard wired" for everybody who is a CD.
Also, lets project that cd/tg/ts theory into those two sisters you were talking about. Identical twins. If cding/tgism/tsism were innate, wouldn't both of them have followed the same path? Same brain wiring, I would imagine... should provide the same results.
Regards,
Gaby
You said... "Several of the Psychologist and psychiartist interviewed continue to confirm what we as CD'ers know: we are just "hard wired" this way and we deal with it in our own ways. "
As always, I respect the opinion of those who believe that concept applies to themselves. However, as always, I feel the need to say that I don't agree with it. I do not believe CDing is "hard wired" for everybody who is a CD.
Also, lets project that cd/tg/ts theory into those two sisters you were talking about. Identical twins. If cding/tgism/tsism were innate, wouldn't both of them have followed the same path? Same brain wiring, I would imagine... should provide the same results.
Regards,
Gaby
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Gaby, I would think that you more than some of my sisters could see the two main things that the twins pointed out. One, that identical twins are not necessarily 100% identical (this was referenced in the show.) Two, that the desire to transisition can manifest itself under virtually any circumstance.
Just look at the diversity in the human race: Size, shape, color, needs desires, loves, fears. What diversity even from Einstein to John Wayne Gacey. Do you not think that somewhere in that mix that the desire to transistion from M to F or F to M could possible be one of the intricate variations within the human manifestition. Just the ability to emulate the personna of the opposite sex would not seem like much of a struggle for the human mind. YOu no doubt agree that gays and lesbians exist, so are there only two extremes?? Either gay or straight?? I think not. I repaeat - just look at the total diveersity with the human race so you narrow it to the plane of existence with in the sexual aspect. You have straight on one end and the "Y" shape: i.e., those that transition to the opposite sex and those who love those of their own sex. These people actually exist so why is it difficult to presume that there are those who do NOT for what ever reason choose to "go that far" if you will.
For me I have no desire to take horomones, or live 24/7 as Virginia, but I have the desire to allow Virginia to manifest herself in me and through me and to interact with everyone that I come into contact with whether or not I am "dressed." Because she is a nicer person, kinder, gentler, than my male self and I love her for that and how she makes others feel good about themselves which makes me feel good.
"Hard-wired" yes I think we are, do we each accept it and promote this "gift" differently, yes we do why- we are human, each different and each with our own story to tell.
Love ya,
Virginia
Just look at the diversity in the human race: Size, shape, color, needs desires, loves, fears. What diversity even from Einstein to John Wayne Gacey. Do you not think that somewhere in that mix that the desire to transistion from M to F or F to M could possible be one of the intricate variations within the human manifestition. Just the ability to emulate the personna of the opposite sex would not seem like much of a struggle for the human mind. YOu no doubt agree that gays and lesbians exist, so are there only two extremes?? Either gay or straight?? I think not. I repaeat - just look at the total diveersity with the human race so you narrow it to the plane of existence with in the sexual aspect. You have straight on one end and the "Y" shape: i.e., those that transition to the opposite sex and those who love those of their own sex. These people actually exist so why is it difficult to presume that there are those who do NOT for what ever reason choose to "go that far" if you will.
For me I have no desire to take horomones, or live 24/7 as Virginia, but I have the desire to allow Virginia to manifest herself in me and through me and to interact with everyone that I come into contact with whether or not I am "dressed." Because she is a nicer person, kinder, gentler, than my male self and I love her for that and how she makes others feel good about themselves which makes me feel good.
"Hard-wired" yes I think we are, do we each accept it and promote this "gift" differently, yes we do why- we are human, each different and each with our own story to tell.
Love ya,
Virginia
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Thank you, Virginia, for letting us know. For those who missed the shows, it might be possible to buy the DVDs from the Discovery Channel website
As mentioned in another thread, I'm with Gaby here. When it comes to humans, the idea of "hard wired" propensities becomes so vague that it is near useless as an explanatory concept.
For virtually any genetic combination, a sufficiently strong environment can produce a crossdresser, gay, straight, whatever. So doesn't that mean that everyone ultimately has, broadly speaking, a "genetic predisposition" for, say, gay behavior? It becomes a quantitative issue. For a "normal" man, this predisposition might be quite low. But technically it's still there.
In any case, to have ones life determined--either by genes or environment--is to live unconsciously, like an animal. Religion teaches us to become conscious. For example, St. Paul says "Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind."
War, poverty, greed, injustice--all these at some level are due to people acting merely out of "genetic predisposition." As human beings we are called to something higher.
Some psychologists and psychiatrists have a different view, for instance, Joseph Nicolosi--( www.narth.com ) and Kenneth Zucker ( http://www.narth.com/docs/gid.html ). They're seldom interviewed.Virginia wrote:Several of the Psychologist and psychiartist interviewed continue to confirm what we as CD'ers know: we are just "hard wired" this way and we deal with it in our own ways.
Virginia
As mentioned in another thread, I'm with Gaby here. When it comes to humans, the idea of "hard wired" propensities becomes so vague that it is near useless as an explanatory concept.
For virtually any genetic combination, a sufficiently strong environment can produce a crossdresser, gay, straight, whatever. So doesn't that mean that everyone ultimately has, broadly speaking, a "genetic predisposition" for, say, gay behavior? It becomes a quantitative issue. For a "normal" man, this predisposition might be quite low. But technically it's still there.
In any case, to have ones life determined--either by genes or environment--is to live unconsciously, like an animal. Religion teaches us to become conscious. For example, St. Paul says "Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind."
War, poverty, greed, injustice--all these at some level are due to people acting merely out of "genetic predisposition." As human beings we are called to something higher.
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Kathy,
In Proverbs there is also: "Wisdom is the prinicple thing therefore get wisdom, but with all thy getting, get understanding." I understand that I like to dress as Virginia, I also understand that I can be Virginia even when I am not dressed, kind, considerate, empathic, loving. These are not external forces causing my reaction, they are internal. Internal as like from the mind. Socio-economic factors - not for this girl! There is something internal that drives "her." You know Ahzz made a statement several months ago that I think about constantly. That perhaps our female aspect "Anima" is actually "in-charge" it only lets the male self think it has control.
Personally, like my Sister, Darlene, it is sometimes fun to think about where all this comes from, but mostly I don't give a damn! As I have said before I am Virginia and she is me and I love her and she loves me and we will hold hands and continue on our "Magical Mystery Tour." thoroughly enjoying eachother and all my girl firends I have here on this forum. I may not always agree with everything, posted, but I relish the thought that we are all dealing with the same "gift," in our own ways!
Virginia
In Proverbs there is also: "Wisdom is the prinicple thing therefore get wisdom, but with all thy getting, get understanding." I understand that I like to dress as Virginia, I also understand that I can be Virginia even when I am not dressed, kind, considerate, empathic, loving. These are not external forces causing my reaction, they are internal. Internal as like from the mind. Socio-economic factors - not for this girl! There is something internal that drives "her." You know Ahzz made a statement several months ago that I think about constantly. That perhaps our female aspect "Anima" is actually "in-charge" it only lets the male self think it has control.
Personally, like my Sister, Darlene, it is sometimes fun to think about where all this comes from, but mostly I don't give a damn! As I have said before I am Virginia and she is me and I love her and she loves me and we will hold hands and continue on our "Magical Mystery Tour." thoroughly enjoying eachother and all my girl firends I have here on this forum. I may not always agree with everything, posted, but I relish the thought that we are all dealing with the same "gift," in our own ways!
Virginia
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That's pretty much Jung's view. It seems to me lately is that the male is the doer and the female is the experiencer. The male/ego comes in very handy when you need to change a tire. The female is who enjoys life.Virginia wrote:You know Ahzz made a statement several months ago that I think about constantly. That perhaps our female aspect "Anima" is actually "in-charge" it only lets the male self think it has control.
By the way, my point wasn't that any of us are warped by experience. Only that in any field it's helpful to get many ideas and opinions. I don't necessarily with the 'experts' I mentioned.
BeautifulI am Virginia and she is me and I love her and she loves me and we will hold hands and continue on our "Magical Mystery Tour."