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Sad goodbye

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:30 am
by Elandra
Well eveyone, It has been short lived, but i blew a gasket the other night, and think i am going to try and quit crossdressing.

Ever since i was a small boy, i saw the beauty all around me, walking threw the yard takeing care not to crush the dandylions, remember looking up at the stars and asking questions, i always seek knowlage and ask, i always friended the ones that were bullied, never hateing the bullies mind you, i never realy felt as though i fit into this world, every thing revolveing around money, step on each other to get ahead, polute the world for the sake of a buck, i never bought into it, so i always just worked, provide service to humanity to make my liveing. To this day i have never struck a liveing soul in my 42 years of life, im not afraid to jump in there, but if im going to have to fight its going to be for my life, or someone eles life, i have always had and have high respect for others, even if they step on my feet, i love people and life, i only wish to see people as light, and not how they are acting. I have never been to church in my life, but i am a very spiritual person. I became a level two reiki healer <a form of hands of light energy body healing> i never will or clame that i am the healer, i am just a chanel for the energy. Ibelieve that we are all one, come frome the same place, like everything on the earth including our own bodys came from the earth, looking at the earth from space and didnt know of all the life on it, you would just see this beauitiful blue marble, one big item, one entity, the earth, look deeper and you see all the life, amazeing!!! so on a lardger scale is the relm of spirit, it is so vast we cant even come close to comprehending it threw our minds, but if we were to look at it as we did the earth, and look in, we would see an endless abundance of life.

This is how i live and think, thanks too Elandra, and balancing my energys, haveing a high femm side, and balanceing the male side, helps me to be more in tune with the universe, i dont mean thanks to elandra the CD, but the femm energys and the emotions and feelings involved with the femm side of me. <Elandra> When i dress, the femm side of me comes alive, my energys rise, i feel pretty, gracefull, alive, more compationate, understanding, nurturing, <sorry for the spelling im just letting all this just come out> and when i get undressed and let my male side come out, i feel stronger as a man. I feel that emotion and feelings are energy, the more you feel <male and female, love, compation, strength, grounded> the more you see.

We al may not be old enough to remember a day when all woman wore dresses, or skirts or ladys slacks, now most woman are wareing mens style close, and is totaly accepted, we all think nothing of it, but what would the ladys think in that time, seeing other woman wareing mens style close? Maybe a lil of how a person now sees a man in womans clothing? Men have always been told that we dont cry, we have to be strong!!!! we cant have these feelings inside, its not manly, we cant ware womans clothing, feel femm. Its just not right, and looks totaly ridiculious, see a man walk down the street like a lady, and he is dead meat, see a woman walk down the street with a males swager, and no one bats a eye.

So how do we as men get to ballance our femm side if it can never come out because of how humanity rules how men are supose to be? how meny men would CD if fear of how people precieve you would change? As meny as there are ladys walking around now in mens style clothing? Its not our falt ladys have a pile of kool stuff <giggles> we can try on, and play with, if womans things were plain as mens things, and mens were as flashy as womans, then would men CDing be accepted and the roles reversed? its all about ballance, and how high you are able to feel or let it go. For me its reach for the stars, i drop my ego, that is how i can CD and not feel stupid, no one sees me, so im free to let the energy flow.

This part is for Charlie, I LOVE YOU xoxox

Elandra and i are the same being, we are not seprate, you havent seen her very much, but if there was time too you would see that the things i say, how i think, are the same. my movements are different, i carry myself different, but thats just the woman in me wanting to come out. When we meet, it was my total intention to give CDing up, but like every time i tryed it just keeps comeing back, sometimes i wonder, what if the young boy that tryed his mothers hose on, felt more afraid of what people though, and never tryed it, would i be a CD now ? i cant answer that, nore will i ever be able to tell you why for sure, i can say one thing though, trying to quit and the craveing or urges to dress is like trying to quit smokeing but 100 times more intence a drive or want. When i was liveing with my sister for all those years i had to stop, it was so hard and i though about it almost every day it seemed, and when i moved out on my own again, the first thing that i bought was a bra to stuff!! im going to try to quit, because i dont think its fair for you to have to try so hard to have to accept it, it kills me to see you turn off from me, look at me and think im gay, witch i am not, or ever want to change my sex, i dont look at you or your body in envy, wish i was like you, that would make me more out to be a transvestite, and im not, i can feel things have changed in your eyes for me because of the CDing. i understand, but i cant promise you that i wont go behind your back and dress, i will try, but im sure its going to be hard or imposable, i dont know what to do, i cryed last night because of this, i finaly meet the perfect woman for me, and this gets in the way again, am i ment for a life of lonelyness? i will understand if you want to walk away, i will always love you, and the memories we have shared thus far, will or have left a mark on my soul that will be charished for eturnity!!! i never thought i would say this, thinking i would never find true love, but i have and can honestly say i know what its like to love that much!!!! thx to you my sweetness!!!!

Dont get me wrong folks Charlie has been nothing but supportave to me and this dressing thingy, untill i meet her i only stuffed bras, now i know what its like to be almost fully dressed includeing nails and forms, do you know how meny years i have dremt of feeling like that, its all thx to you, that you gave this mans little boys's dreams to come true, <fighting back tears> and for that i cant thank you enough !!! It has all overwelmed me and am sorry if i have been a little bit selfish!!!


For all you CD's i would like to say thanks for makeing me feel warm and welcome, that im not a freak. You all have helped me with all your posts and links and advice!!! I trulely believe that all CD's are enlightened beings, whose femm sides have opened them up to experiance the other half of there being that lets them precieve a greater reality, and feeling a deeper life.

To the dear SO's, i cant tell you why we do it, no more than a gay person can tell you why he/she is gay. There will never be a answer to that, what i said above is the best explanation as to why i can give that seems to fit for me.

I dont know what is going to happen with the next while, can i quit, will i be back, i dont know, but for now ill say good bye, i may pop in now and then, i dont know.

Warm heart felt hugs

Elandra

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:18 am
by Loretta Ann
I do not possibly see how anyone reading your post could find it likely that you will succeed. I await your return with a pre greeting of "welcome back".

Though I'd like to, I can't even truthfully wish you luck with your challenge, because it dose not sound like you are serious enough.

Hardly the kind of of post (though an honest one IMO) that one would expect from someone wanting to quit.

Love Darlene.

Might I suggest..

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:45 am
by Sinjoy(SO)
My husband, Jean-P also "blew a gasket" last weekend. He to decided to quit this "cding thing". Please, Please read the thread in this section from my husband, Read it all. Just in case you don't let me tell you what I told him. You can NOT kill a part of you WITHOUT killing ALL OF YOU.

I know Charlie loves you, we have had some wonderful "chats" and I don't think I'm telling tales out of school when I tell you that.

You stated that you were a second level reiki healer. Than you know about the energies in our body and in the universe. Have you asked the universe(G-d) for peace of spirit? for inner peace for both you and Charlie? I know it has helped both Jean-P and me when I asked. Ok I will admit I had to ask a few times, sometimes it takes me a while to give up control....

If you or Charlie ever need me, I am here, An if/ when you come back. I will greet you both with love, and will never allow any one to say "told ya so"

Please just ask yourself "how is this REALLY working for me" you stated you had a hard time while living with your sister.

A good woman (which I know Charlie is) can help a man achieve great hights, but we can not fix what is not broken. You are not broken.

I will keep you both in my prayers. All my love and best wishes,

Sinjoy(so)

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:56 am
by Aeryn
Andrea,

I wish you best with your future but here are my thoughts:

As I have stated before on these boards, CDing is a behavior and any behavior can be changed. You can CHOOSE not to dress, but the real question is, does that change who you are and does it change the fact that you may WANT to dress. I can't answer those questions, only you can find that in you. I am an infrequent dresser (years between episodes) but that doesn't mean I don't feel a connection to my other side in the times in between, it simply means I don't dress. Some feel the urge or need stronger than others.

I will agree with Sinjoy and Darlene that your post sounds like you are less than committed, that you are more questioning than being decisive. Your post was very heartfelt but sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself that your decision is the right one.

I would encourage you to have open discussion with your SO and make no rash decisions. Take a step back and think it through. If you choose to stop (and many will argue you won't) and it works for you, great. Be be real about your pattern and look hard at it.

I would also say stay on these boards. I haven't dressed in months and before that it had been years. But coming here seems to help me not need to dress. I know that sounds paradoxical, but having a connection to this community helps me be connected to my femme side without the urges to dress. Maybe I "dress" vicariously by being here, I don't know. I do know that finding support here helps me feel better.

aeryn

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:03 am
by Absaroka
Elandra

Good luck with whatever it is that you wind up doing. I am not going to try to tell you that this will or will not work. Who am I to know? It does seem like you are hurting right now however.

I do have a couple of thoughts however and they are independent of whatever course you take.

I agree with what was said about you can't fix it if it is not broken. You are not broken. Please try to accept that you are who you are and that is neither good nor bad, it just is.

It may be important to approach this on a day to day basis. Today you do not want to crossdress. Today you want to be a certain way and that is just fine. Today you are wanting to intergrate both your feminine and masculine into one being in masculine mode. All good.

At some future date you may feel differently. Also fine.

Personally I hope that you will continue posting here. I think that you have a lot of interesting things to say and also that where you are at right now is perhaps a bit different than where many of the other people here is, or at least what is expressed here. So I for one will continue to value your posts regardless of what you might be wearing at any given moment.

Andrea

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:04 am
by Virginia
Elandra,
Honey, we will keep a candle burning in the window for your return. I can see a lot of me in what you write. The physical act of dressing is also, to me, a secondary thing to my "anima." As I have said and continue to say, I am Virginia and she is me. Yes, she likes to dress-up but it is not as important as the enrichment that she tries to afford me and everyone that we come into contact with.
May God be with you and shed HER blessing on you as you continue on your "Magical Mystery Tour."
Virginia

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:21 am
by DonnaT
Elandra, what can I say the others haven't.

It will be a tough battle, trying to quit. You've experienced the angst before, when you couldn't dress. It may be a little different now, now that you say you don't want to dress, instead of can't. But it will still be tough. I wish you strength.

I suggest, however, that you not purge your fem things. Box them up, lock them away, give them to Charlie to put away. Whatever, just don't purge. It gets expensive to replace.

And don't be afraid to come back and talk about how you are coping. We'll be here.

Re: Sad goodbye

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:51 am
by Cathy L. Anderson
Elandra wrote:This is how i live and think, thanks too Elandra, and balancing my energys, haveing a high femm side, and balanceing the male side, helps me to be more in tune with the universe...the more you feel <male and female, love, compation, strength, grounded> the more you see...
Elandra and i are the same being, we are not seprate...
I think you've found the secret.

Cathy

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:47 am
by Elandra
Thank you all for your replies, you are all right, i do not want to quit, im not mad at myself or charlie, its just that i see the differance in how she looks upon me when and after i dress sometimes, not that i think she is judgeing me badly or anything, but i feel the change, and it upsets me, i dont like thinking that this all is makeing her have to deal with anything, or fight to have to be able to handle it, when its sll in me, i will go threw a ringer to keep her happy, and happy with me.

So i baged up all my drawers, and set to chuck em all, and i came home from work the other day and what did she do, she washed everything and hung it all back up!!!! she is so awsome !!!

now i am afraid i dont know what to do, i already have the itch to dress, just not at the cost of hampering us, or makeing life hard for her.

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:20 am
by Estefania
Elandra,

I think that Cathy provided you with a great insight...

Do you know what is the secret she was talking about? Finding your own balance in life.

Sadly, way too many CD/TG folks may never find that balance. For some, it is about being "all man" in their every day life, and all girly when enfemme. It is about separating what is masculine from what is feminine, and they usually end up with 2 separated and dissociated entities.

If you are able to realize that you can incorporate Elandra into your every day life, as well as keep "him" as the foundation of Elandra, you will not be in a constant internal turmoil... Don't be afraid... everything that is good in Elandra can also be good for "him". Then, you will realize that the clothes are not as important anymore, because you don't need them to be able to express all of who you are. Only then you will be able to see that you may still enjoy wearing them, but your perspective will be different, I think.

I find it kind of sad when folks will say things like "even my wife tells me to wear something feminine, because she is tired of me being a jerk". IN those cases, Who controls who? Does the CD control the clothes? Or do the clothes control the CD?

Can you really quit if you want? Maybe. Will you dress again very soon? Maybe. But let it be because it makes your life better, not because you are escaping from anything, or because you just can't control it. You have the blessing of having a wife/so who is really trying to understand you and is there for you. You two can grow together with all these. With or without your CDing.

Best wishes,
Gaby

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:55 am
by Absaroka
I hope that you gave your wife a profound thank you..........that is a very clear signal from her.

to me it sounds like she is working real hard at compromise and accepting you. If you feel she looks at you funny or feels funny after you dress maybe she does. No doubt she needs time also and she has had a lot less than you have to grasp this all. Approaching the subject with the same love that she has shown you will mean that your chances of coming to terms with all this will be greatly increased.

It is a process. Try to think in terms of this too is passing now and it will be easier

Andrea

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:58 pm
by DonnaT
Elandra, I don't dress fully very often, but when I do, I can see a different 'look' from my wife too. Yet She's known of my CDing for 29 years.

Thing is though, she still loves me. I doubt the 'look' will ever go away.

I'm sure Charlie will let you know when she doesn't want to see you enfemme, so try not to dwell on the 'look' to much.

I find that I don't need to dress fully very often. I wear panties every day though. But when I do get that urge to fully dress, my wife is ok with it since she knows that it is something I really need at the time.

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:37 pm
by Sinjoy(SO)
Welcome back!! to both you and Charlie.

Life is a journey, with its ups and downs, but as long as you both are committed to each other (as you both obviously are) it will be a journey of love.

I will keep you both in my prayers.

Sinjoy(so)

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:32 pm
by Loretta Ann
Hi all,

Gaby,

That is an interesting post you just wrote. Let me tell you what I got from it.
While it is true that I don't need the clothes to be able to express all of who I am. (never actually thought about it exactly that way be before.) I think more important to me is the fact that I need the clothes to be all of who I am,

In fact I need both. I don't think one is more important than the other. It is just that given the situation that we find ourselves in (with regards to the rest of society) we find it more of a struggle to be all of who we are. And if we are not careful that can serve to cause us to focus more on the obstacles, than doing what is necessary to live out a balanced life.

Thank you.
Love Darlene.

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:58 pm
by Elandra
Thank you all again so much for the understanding and help.

I feel like i just took a giant HISSY fit!!!!

I guess haveing everything happen all at once too was a big shock for both of us, i mean going from just stuffing a bra, to haveing everything i wanted, like forms, heals, cloths, nails, all at once, was a little overwelming, and ohhhh myyy!! my hair is still in the mail, i was thinking of not even opening it, i guess with it being so new and all at once the urges have been a little much, hope yall dont think i am or was being silly?

I think i am also understanding that some nights Charlie may not want it to not be around, to respect those nights and be there for her as me. We will find that common ground i am sure of it.

Thank you all again!!!! <Warm Heart Felt Hugs>