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As many have noted, the majority of the public seems not to be able to grasp the difference between gender orientation and sexual preference. I think if one more co-worker asks about my "situation" behind my back I may just have to post a "Straight, but not narrow" sign in my cubicle.

Last night my SO and I were out doing the dinner thing when one of my colleagues called regarding a problem at the office. "No problem. I can be there in a few minutes.", I told her. I wasn't presenting as female that night, though I was definitely androgynous in appearance (long jean skirt, black t-shirt, sandals, nail polish). When I arrived at the office, I noticed that another of my co-workers had also stopped by to help out. He's never surprised or concerned by my appearance, but this was the first time my female colleague had seen any aspect of "my better half".

A little while later, my male co-worker stopped by my cube and told me she had asked him "the question". The question being, "Is he gay?". He replied, "I doubt it since his girlfriend is waiting for him in the lobby." It's not being thought of as gay that bothers me, it's the lack of common sense that such questions are borne of that is the issue. Why would I be dressing like a woman to attract men who aren't interested in them?

So far that makes four employees who have raised the same question. It's kinda funny, since I think they would find the truth to be a little harder to digest. Still, the TG community has a ways to go in educating the masses. I guess if I were a bit more confident that my colleagues would be able to deal with it, I'd "come out" entirely and help them to understand. Maybe I can start the discussion without completely letting the cat out of the bag.

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Post by Beauty »

Hi Angie,

Great post! :) I think you're wonderful for living your life the way you want to. Yes, it's always a pain when we're asked something over and over. The bonus about what you're doing is you're educating people. I bet most of the time a hetero' non-TG'd person or gay non'TG'd person or a gay non-TG'd person here's you're not gay, they're like, "Really?" :)

You're spreading the word that we're people and not just flamboyant gay people that want to flaunt this or that. In no way do I mean that flamboyant gay people are bad. I only mean that when people tend to express themselves in a femme persona or androgynous way the "uncomfy ones" tend to throw up the flamboyant flag. They tend to feel that we are rubbing their noses in who we are or we're trying to force an agenda on them. :roll:

Because of people like you who just live to live, you destroy another stereotype. You are helping to do it the best way, one by one. There's no doubt that this person will go, "Dude or dudette.. there's this person at work who dresses kind of like a lady, but he wasn't born a woman and get this??? He's freaggin' not gay!" I'm not sure where the conversation goes from there, but you have caused education to stir. I think you're a hero! :) =D> :)

Again, great thread and thank you for posting what happened Angie! :)

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Beauty,

Thanks for your always insightful remarks. You have a gift for making people see the positive side of any situation! Your "hero" compliment was very kind, though I'm far from fitting the description. I just want to live my life in a way that's true to who I am while being seen as open and friendly.

Well, the other shoe dropped in a rather humorous way this afternoon during a staff meeting. While recaping the weekend's events, the subject of my attire came up again in front of the whole project team. My female colleague said, "Well, I had to think about it all weekend and I was envious that his makeup was better than mine." The whole room burst out into good-natured laughter. I had completely forgotten about the small amount of foundation and eye shadow that I had put on. It's amazing what people notice. My SO said she didn't notice the makeup, but that it was probably because she's used to it.

I think I'll let this settle in for now. I'm not quite out, but at least a step closer...

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Post by Sinjoy(SO) »

Dear Angie,

I have to confess, when Jean-P told me he thought he might be a crossdress, even though we have been together for 12 years, even knowing that MOST CDers are NOT gay, well,...um,..... I asked.

I knew he wasn't, but I had to hear him say it. Dumb, yeah I know.... But I really needed him to say it.

If I had been working with someone I don't think I would have even thought to ask. But when it's your husband.... it is different.

I don't know if this helped or not, I justthought I'd let you know...

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Post by Yasky(SO) »

Hi, Angie!

I have to chime in and agree with Sinjoy - when I found out Paige is a crossdresser, I had to ask that same question. Like Sinjoy, I didn't think so either, but somehow had to hear it from him - needed the confirmation.

I'm sure it is difficult to hear that question over and over again, but education is the only way. And I do think it's coming, though slowly.

Good luck to you! =D>
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I think what we have here is a bit of social training. For some reason society has imprinted onto us that a person's sexual orientation is expressed by their clothing. It's a stereotype that I really wish didn't exist. But hundreds of years of it existing probably means that it won't go away anytime soon.
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Ahzz wrote:I think what we have here is a bit of social training. For some reason society has imprinted onto us that a person's sexual orientation is expressed by their clothing. It's a stereotype that I really wish didn't exist. But hundreds of years of it existing probably means that it won't go away anytime soon.
Your quote gets the cart before the horse, Ahzz. I'd re-phrase it to say, "Society has imprinted on us that a person's gender is expressed by their clothing." Then it's another step in logic to say, " Most people of one gender are attracted to people of the other gender."
Certainly not all, but a majority.

So, it's just common sense to most people.

If a=b,

and b=c,

then a=c.

We all learned that in basic math. The "social" math equation?

dress=gender

gender=sexual orientation

(And remember, for approximately 90% of the population, both of these are true.)

So for most people, it's easy to say,

dress=sexual orientation

This is especially easy to say if they don't know any CDs personally. Since very few of us are visible, chances are they don't know
that they know one. And they look at the TG hookers on Law and Order and say, Yep, there's another one.

I can understand why it bothers you , Angie, the individual CD who's trying to work her way into some kind of everyday acceptance. It's a big job, doing education by example when there's so few other visible models around. Maybe it'll start changing faster than we think. But until larger numbers of married CDs start showing up in public, you're going to have to fight this perception.
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Post by Beauty »

Hi,

Anita, I think you and Ahzz are saying the same thing in a different way. :)
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Post by Paige »

Rant - I need to make a bumper sticker that says "sex and gender are not synonoms - End Rant

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Post by Kersten Lee »

Thank you all so much for your opinions again! The lesbian perception has plagued me for a long time. I started a thread a while back on this subject and am happy to hear more imput from cross-dressers and gg's alike.

Thank you Anita, for your bravery in the front of social pressures! I would like to go out more and people, like you, help all of us who do and would like to go out and enjoy! I will say to those that are happy dressing at home, don't feel pressured. Even cross-dressers are individuals.

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Post by Elizabeth »

Hi girls,

I also have written previously about how tiring it gets fighting this misperception, but also recognize as Beauty metioned, that we must educate people. One at a time, if need be.

My SO has also been confronted with the lesbian stereotype, or insistance that I am secretely gay, and at some future time will come out of the closet.

I really enjoyed Anita's mathmatical analogy, it helps to show why so many people are misled. But more than that, TV and Hollywood have a lot to do with it. You watch Springer, or Opera, or the other shock TV and the crossdressers they have on are always gay, and usually female impersonators, making everyone think we are all performers too. Hollywood is no better. Tootsie, Mrs Doubtfire which come to mind the quickest, portray straight men, but only wear women's clothing as a disguise.

Where would any average "Joe Citizen" come in contact, or even see a straight crossdresser? I personally spent a lot of years thinking I was a freak. That there was no one like me. I worried that maybe I was hiding from myself being gay. All the crossdressers I had ever seen on TV were gay. But I never was attracted to men.

So now, I dress full time, and I make sure everyone knows I am not gay. And that not even a majority of crossdressres are gay.

Thanks for this thread. Great subject that never gets stale.

Love always,
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