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A Bit Of Advice...

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:53 pm
by Marilyn
This may have come up, here, in the past. I have addressed it, several times, in the forum I moderate at Panties.etc.

If you are not ready to possibly have your CD'ing brought into the open, do not log in to this (or any other CD site) from your work PC.

To some of you this may seem like a common-sense issue, but there are people out there who believe that it is not possible to tell where you go, on the Internet.

As a System Administrator, I'm here to tell you that it can be done. We have software - which is 2 years old so there is probably newer, more powerful software out there - that can tell me every site an employee has visited, in the last 6 months, and how long they were at each site.

So, I always recommend that the damage is not worth the convenience. Don't log-in from work.

Hugs.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:22 am
by Dixie Darling
Marilyn,

Same here. I'm also a system administrator and to get around this hurtle I use a lap top and dial in using my personal (at home) ISP and log in. In this way I'm in no way connected to the company's network at work and what I do on my personal PC is MY business and no one else's.

Dixie

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:12 pm
by Marilyn
Dixie:

I do the same (use my home connection), I was simply ofering the advice for the less technical users here. :)

Hugs.

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:47 am
by Beauty
Hi Marilyn,

What you're saying is SUPER important. People don't understand, I think, that everywhere they go on the web can be monitored by a proxy server (at work).

It has your IP address and the site(s) you went to. Surf at home and be safe.

Doing this at work is a very bad idea. :(

Great advice Marilyn!

Beauty

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:37 pm
by Jadeanne
I may be a bleached blonde (as my femme self here :) ), but I have been using computers as a student, programmer, mainframe systems administrator, and PC technician for over 34 years, so i have some knowedge of them -

YES your computer activities CAN be monitored and logged. Workplaces can monitor activity by individuals VERY closely, so be careful, very careful at work.

At home, Jadeanne has "her" own computer with its own modem (I'm cheap, I use dialup) for internet activities which doesn't have her male mode name on it. This computer has anti virus software with current definitions and spyware detection programs (adaware and spybot search and destroy} are run regularly.

I'm maybe a little more personal privacy concious than some, and I have the luxury of knowing how to fix and rebuild old computers for my own use, but please remember when you are surfing the internet -

Be Careful Out There

Jadeanne

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:49 pm
by Beauty
Hi Jadeanne,

I think your post should be the ultimate in correct etiquette for both home and at work.

=D> =D> =D>

Thank you for posting that!

Beauty

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:06 pm
by Allena
OKAY, NOW YOU'VE GOT ME SCARED!
I probably have been to some sites on the work computer that could have been "discovered".
The worst was probably when I searched for BUSTIES (breast forms) on dogpile. I clicked one personal website and read his description of them, and when I clicked the 'Pics" button, I got a message basically saying I was being denied access by my computer...or so I interpreted.

I then backed out to dogpile again and continued a search for breast cancer and browsed through several pages of that.

I'm not overly wrought about what might happen, but I realize that the Pics the guy had might have been tagged as sexual material or something.

I'll explain it as my research into breast form information for "someone I know". They can go where they want with it.

Bear in mind, this is a Catholic Health System-run hospital... :shock: :wink:

The worst thing that could happen is how my wife might take it if anything about my crossdressing came out at work. She has a professional relationship with the hospital but is not an employee.

SO, you Computer Tech types...say this all happened this past weekend...how long til' they drop the noose around my neck :cry: :-({|= :mrgreen:

IT'S BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU!

Seriously, Thanks for the tip! I do agree with you all. Considering the amount of stress some CD'ers are under anyway, this could really be difficult to deal with. It's a shame we have to remain in hiding so much.

Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:36 am
by Alexandra
If anyone is losing sleep over this, give your attorney a call so you can plan a proper response if some finger pointing comes your way.

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:38 am
by Marilyn
Allen:

I think you will be fine. I've never met an IT person who had the time to monitor what web sites an employee was visiting.

That's what the software is for. To track, and in some cases block, so a person doesn't need to do it.

As for the log that is kept, it tends to primarily be used when a question of someone not doing work, or perhaps a study of type of sites visited by employees, etc.

A random search should not cause an issue. And even if someone were to see it, without consistent evidence, a person should be quite careful before making such a statement about someone's personal choices.

Alexandra...I'm kind of confused about the lawyer thing. You're not referring to "right to privacy" are you? Because such a thing does not exist in the work place. There have been countless cases where if you are on your employer's PC, the employer owns everything on it. Even personal emails. :shock:

As an IT Administrator, I say relax Allen. If you haven't been doing this everyday, certainly this one time isn't going to cause a problem.

Hugs.

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:51 am
by Beauty
Hi Marilyn,

I know sys admins don't but some bosses do get reports that show the most visited websites. I wrote the reports. They also look at random sites.

I had another employer who wanted all the sites listed alphabetically and he'd review them over weekends. Scary, huh? :)

It was funny how many people went to monster.com and the jobs they'd look for. :lol:

I just don't want anyone to think they aren't being monitored at work because it is likely they are.

I do agree with you though Marilyn. It's not a big deal, but you should still beware.

Beauty

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 5:30 pm
by Alexandra
Marilyn,

I'm speaking from my experience as a shop steward.

You are correct of course. Yes, if a employee violates a clearly stated company rule, like surfing the net, they can just expect to get fired or severly repremanded.

However, often times during the first confrontation with the employee, the employer may not have quite enough evidence and will attempt to get the employee to open his mouth and hang himself with his own words.

So, if one is a member of a bargaining unit, DON'T SAY A WORD and ask for a union rep to attend. The employee is paying union dues for the union to resolve this issue for him -- don't hang yourself by opening your mouth.

On the other hand, non-union employees can be fired for refusing to answer questions . . . so that is why I suggest talking to a labor lawyer prior to to any possible fingerpointing from management . . . he may be able to to suggest a response that you can make that may save your job.

(For instance, if other employees get disciplined for websurfing and YOU get fired because you happened to visit this forum, your attorney would probably ask you to document events in your workplace so that you'd have a case to save your job in the event it happened to you.)

Does this make sense?

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:36 pm
by Beauty
Alexandra,

Was that post to me?

Beauty

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:15 pm
by Alexandra
Beauty, no, I was just following up with Marilyn's concern about my earlier statement. If somebody is really worried about these things I thought I'd mention that there are things one can do besides living in constant fear worried about what would happen if your employer finds out.

(of course, if one is a crook and is stealing or otherwise financially hurting your employer, no lawyer is gonna be of much help in keeping your job.)

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:18 pm
by Beauty
Hi Alexandra,

No problem. I just didn't want to answer if it wasn't to me. There were parts when I was like, "Well? It could be to me" but then there were other parts where I thought, "No it's not to me." :)

Take care,
Beauty

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:23 am
by Allena
Thanks for the information and concern.

I am not worried about my workplace. I know there is a possibility of repercutions, but I really doubt it.

First, most of my web-browsing takes place when I work the night shift and things are really slow. If you were to go around the hospital and check monitors, you'd see quite a variety of shopping, news checking, and mostly game playing on the internet.

From Nurses to Lab/Xray personnel, to Physicians, we must log on quite a few hours.

Second, my visits to the web are predominately to machining and firearm websites. Two of my hobbies/interests. I'm not spending time going to "risky" places or down-right "naughty" places on the hospital computer.
This is the same here at home, where forums like this one are DEFINITELY fine places to visit.

I knew originally this thread was meant to be serious, but I have a habit of looking at everything in a comical sense. Sometimes TOO comical.
Sorry.