Right now I am only 16 years old, so I still have some time... but ever since I was a child and played with my friend's toy F-14 I have wanted to become a fighter pilot for the Air Force. I know that my on and off crossdressing will probably get very difficult for me at some point in this career though if I make it (especially being a pilot on call 24/7) Something I noticed in a lot of the beginings subforum though is that a lot of members on this board have at some time been in a military service. How did you all cope?
**And before anybody remarks I know the F-14 is a Navy plane. It was just the one that got me crazy. F-16 is the best**
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Darth,
I will allow you the Air Force quip this time!
Being a Naval Aviator (F-8's) long before you and maybe your parents were born. Know what analogue instruments are? Anyway, Virginia did not make her presence know in me until much later in life, but as I look back on it, like alot of my sisters here, she was always there, I just had repressed, supressed, ignored - whatever - the fact that I had this "gift." So I guess it is possible to supress it. I well remember, however, some idiot reporter inviewing a female F/A -18 pilot and asked her, "Could you really shot down an enemy airplane?" That pissed her off like you can imagine. She looked the idiot right in the face and said, "Just try me!" and walked away!!!!!!
I think that having the gift we have, understanding it and allowing it to be part of us would only serve us that much better in the cockpit!!
The main problem is you Air Force types don't understand a "controlled crash!"
Best of luck in your search!
Love,
Virginia
I will allow you the Air Force quip this time!
Being a Naval Aviator (F-8's) long before you and maybe your parents were born. Know what analogue instruments are? Anyway, Virginia did not make her presence know in me until much later in life, but as I look back on it, like alot of my sisters here, she was always there, I just had repressed, supressed, ignored - whatever - the fact that I had this "gift." So I guess it is possible to supress it. I well remember, however, some idiot reporter inviewing a female F/A -18 pilot and asked her, "Could you really shot down an enemy airplane?" That pissed her off like you can imagine. She looked the idiot right in the face and said, "Just try me!" and walked away!!!!!!
I think that having the gift we have, understanding it and allowing it to be part of us would only serve us that much better in the cockpit!!
The main problem is you Air Force types don't understand a "controlled crash!"
Best of luck in your search!
Love,
Virginia
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Hi Darth. 
To anwer your question about coping in the military, it wasn't too easy, and I was only in for 4 years. I couldn't have done a career. Fantasy helps. However, I am TS, not a crossdresser, and knew it at that time. The two forms of gender dysphoria are quite similar in that it never goes away and a lack of freedom to dress can lead to depression. I had used some crossdressing in college to help me cope. That was right out in the military, until we were in port long enough for me to get an apartment. That was nice, and such a relief. I worried about buying stuff in person, but did get some things while in male drag. Bought some wigs "for my mom and sister-" human hair, very nice while in Hong Kong, and had to purge them and clothes when we were called back overseas at the end of the 6 months home. I had no where to store them safely. Dropped them and clothes off in an overnight deposit for the Salvation Army donations.
Off base quarters can be a good way to do a temporary cope, but you have to be sure to maintain your privacy and not tell people where you are. You may get some inopportune guests if you do. I picked a complex with mostly older people in it, and kept to myself for the nearly 6 months I was able to live there. Later I shared an apartment with one of the officers I shared quarters with on the ship. Every third day, I was at that apartment alone, and that was enough. I also met a young college student belly dancing her way through college to socialize with, and the feminine companionship helped.
I was uncomfortable in communal shower settings, which is why I went through OCS in the Navy since there is more privacy. Still, it was not easy. Generally I don't much trust guys, something left over from my juvenile days of being harrassed by the "sports studs". Essentially, I held my privacy dear, stayed away from most on-shore bars with their bar girls (wasn't interested anyway), and concentrated on learning about other countries and their people, foods, cultures, and language, and shopped, and got the hell out as soon as I could.
Locating places for good food (one of my weaknesses) and early evenings was part of the shipboard coping. I also took other's duty periods so that they could go play in liberty ports, in exchange for them standing my duty days at specified times when we were in homeport. I never wanted to be inebriated as I was afraid of saying the wrong thing, though a couple of brother officers did arrange that with a deceptive liquour drink called the 7-Veils in the Phillapines. I didn't say anything untoward, but I did feel uncomfortable about it all the next day. It can be done, but you are definitely in the closet in a big way. Don't plan on any excursions while dressed, though you will want to after awhile. Just stay cool, I guess.
Luck to you.
Carolynn
To anwer your question about coping in the military, it wasn't too easy, and I was only in for 4 years. I couldn't have done a career. Fantasy helps. However, I am TS, not a crossdresser, and knew it at that time. The two forms of gender dysphoria are quite similar in that it never goes away and a lack of freedom to dress can lead to depression. I had used some crossdressing in college to help me cope. That was right out in the military, until we were in port long enough for me to get an apartment. That was nice, and such a relief. I worried about buying stuff in person, but did get some things while in male drag. Bought some wigs "for my mom and sister-" human hair, very nice while in Hong Kong, and had to purge them and clothes when we were called back overseas at the end of the 6 months home. I had no where to store them safely. Dropped them and clothes off in an overnight deposit for the Salvation Army donations.
Off base quarters can be a good way to do a temporary cope, but you have to be sure to maintain your privacy and not tell people where you are. You may get some inopportune guests if you do. I picked a complex with mostly older people in it, and kept to myself for the nearly 6 months I was able to live there. Later I shared an apartment with one of the officers I shared quarters with on the ship. Every third day, I was at that apartment alone, and that was enough. I also met a young college student belly dancing her way through college to socialize with, and the feminine companionship helped.
I was uncomfortable in communal shower settings, which is why I went through OCS in the Navy since there is more privacy. Still, it was not easy. Generally I don't much trust guys, something left over from my juvenile days of being harrassed by the "sports studs". Essentially, I held my privacy dear, stayed away from most on-shore bars with their bar girls (wasn't interested anyway), and concentrated on learning about other countries and their people, foods, cultures, and language, and shopped, and got the hell out as soon as I could.
Locating places for good food (one of my weaknesses) and early evenings was part of the shipboard coping. I also took other's duty periods so that they could go play in liberty ports, in exchange for them standing my duty days at specified times when we were in homeport. I never wanted to be inebriated as I was afraid of saying the wrong thing, though a couple of brother officers did arrange that with a deceptive liquour drink called the 7-Veils in the Phillapines. I didn't say anything untoward, but I did feel uncomfortable about it all the next day. It can be done, but you are definitely in the closet in a big way. Don't plan on any excursions while dressed, though you will want to after awhile. Just stay cool, I guess.
Luck to you.
Carolynn
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I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to have off-base housing for my first few years at least. I wouldn't have any money at the time. Being on and off like I am usually I have no idea how hard that would be. When I first left my home to visit my mom for the summer I hardly felt the need at all. A few days ago though I felt that I needed to quite badly and am away from my stash. I guess "be strong" is the line I need then?
And I looked up the F-8... wow... from the looks of it, it was DEFINITELY before my parents time. Growing up the do all plane of the military was the flying bathtub (F-4 to those unfamiliar to the nickname )
Aeryn: That was a bit disappointing to me as well, but IMO it is being replaced by a much cooler plane at least.
And I looked up the F-8... wow... from the looks of it, it was DEFINITELY before my parents time. Growing up the do all plane of the military was the flying bathtub (F-4 to those unfamiliar to the nickname
)Aeryn: That was a bit disappointing to me as well, but IMO it is being replaced by a much cooler plane at least.
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I will tell you this, keep your feelings to yourself, it’s hard enough going trough a military hitch as a regular guy but you put cross dressing on top of that and you will have problems, I know, I was there for 20 years, I was in the closet so to speak for 20 years and I suppressed my feelings about what I felt and why I was feeling them. In general the Air Force is one of the more relaxed services that you can join however be careful. Most people, even in the service, can be very judgmental about any life style that they don’t understand. You will not be able to be open up about your cross-dressing, trust me in this one. Even when you feel close to someone, which can happen, unless you trust them with your life, never revile what your about. Until times change and people can see what we are about and stand for, be careful. This is for my heart.
P.S. The F-22 is not what it is cracked up to be, believe me.
Love Jamie Sue
I will tell you this, keep your feelings to yourself, it’s hard enough going trough a military hitch as a regular guy but you put cross dressing on top of that and you will have problems, I know, I was there for 20 years, I was in the closet so to speak for 20 years and I suppressed my feelings about what I felt and why I was feeling them. In general the Air Force is one of the more relaxed services that you can join however be careful. Most people, even in the service, can be very judgmental about any life style that they don’t understand. You will not be able to be open up about your cross-dressing, trust me in this one. Even when you feel close to someone, which can happen, unless you trust them with your life, never revile what your about. Until times change and people can see what we are about and stand for, be careful. This is for my heart.
P.S. The F-22 is not what it is cracked up to be, believe me.
Love Jamie Sue
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Yeah... that seems like a no brainer but I'm sure it will be one I'll be tempted to test at one point. Having been in military programs and having known many military friends I know how easy it is to make friends, and know that brotherly or sisterly connection can be like. Obviously a source of temptation... but I'll remember your advice and be cautious.Jamie Sue wrote:Darth_Wolfenbarg
I will tell you this, keep your feelings to yourself, it’s hard enough going trough a military hitch as a regular guy but you put cross dressing on top of that and you will have problems, I know, I was there for 20 years, I was in the closet so to speak for 20 years and I suppressed my feelings about what I felt and why I was feeling them. In general the Air Force is one of the more relaxed services that you can join however be careful. Most people, even in the service, can be very judgmental about any life style that they don’t understand. You will not be able to be open up about your cross-dressing, trust me in this one. Even when you feel close to someone, which can happen, unless you trust them with your life, never revile what your about. Until times change and people can see what we are about and stand for, be careful. This is for my heart.
P.S. The F-22 is not what it is cracked up to be, believe me.
Love Jamie Sue
I wasn't talking about the F-22. I personally don't like it either. I was referring to the F/A-18E/F that is to replace the Tomcats. F-22 was to replace the F-15, but the F-16 did a well enough job of that if they didn't overload it IMO.
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I glad you heard me for what I was saying, times can change and I hope the best for you. And by the way your comment about the F-18!
Your Quote "I wasn't talking about the F-22. I personally don't like it either. I was referring to the F/A-18E/F that is to replace the Tomcats.
The F-22 was to replace the F-15, F-16 and the F-18.
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Your Quote "I wasn't talking about the F-22. I personally don't like it either. I was referring to the F/A-18E/F that is to replace the Tomcats.
The F-22 was to replace the F-15, F-16 and the F-18.
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I'm inexperienced. It is better to listen to the wise.Jamie Sue wrote:I glad you heard me for what I was saying, times can change and I hope the best for you. And by the way your comment about the F-18!
Your Quote "I wasn't talking about the F-22. I personally don't like it either. I was referring to the F/A-18E/F that is to replace the Tomcats.
The F-22 was to replace the F-15, F-16 and the F-18.
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Jamie Sue
Well for the cost the F-22 needs it won't possibly create enough units to effectively replace all of those planes. They had to retire like 12 F-15s for only TWO Raptors. The F-22 is supposed to replace the F-15 as the Hi plane and the F-35 is to take the Lo spot. Not sure about the Navy yet as they haven't created a carrier based F-22 (I think the YF-23 was to take the spot there) and the Navy has only purchased the Super Hornets and F-35s at the moment.
Edit: A last minute thought that I didn't think of before... trust seems to be a weak sort of thing when it comes to this subject. With the military a lot of spots you have a lot of people that you have to trust your life with... and in the end even those people may not be trusted. Kind of makes you lose some faith in people...
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Hi Darth--
When I went to college and had three roommates, I just stopped CDing, unless I was back home for a weekend (and that was only once every two or three months.) So it seems like it can be done easier, perhaps, when we are younger. I enlisted in the military without even thinking about the CDing, but it turned out I had a wool allergy, and was sent home without ever getting to basic training.
My CDing basically left at age 18, and didn't come back until I was in my late 40s. But that is unusual, too.
When I went to college and had three roommates, I just stopped CDing, unless I was back home for a weekend (and that was only once every two or three months.) So it seems like it can be done easier, perhaps, when we are younger. I enlisted in the military without even thinking about the CDing, but it turned out I had a wool allergy, and was sent home without ever getting to basic training.
My CDing basically left at age 18, and didn't come back until I was in my late 40s. But that is unusual, too.
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I personally spent 10 yrs in the army and I have to say that I loved the time that I spent. But Anna did not emerge from the shadows of my life until after I had already left the army for other reasons.
Of course I did basic at Lackland AFB in San Antonio for the air force because that is what I thought I wanted. But I was later seperated due to failure to adapt to military life. While I was in the Air Force I did learn one thing that will help you and that is that like every other branch of the US Military they are not at all accepting of "alternate lifestyles". To the point of actually having a regulation that tells how you are suppose to have sex with your spouse.
But, that said I think that the military is a great opportunity for anyone who is young and single. I would say just keep it to yourself and do your best to not leave any outward sign of who you really are if you really want a career as a pilot.
Good Luck
Anna
Of course I did basic at Lackland AFB in San Antonio for the air force because that is what I thought I wanted. But I was later seperated due to failure to adapt to military life. While I was in the Air Force I did learn one thing that will help you and that is that like every other branch of the US Military they are not at all accepting of "alternate lifestyles". To the point of actually having a regulation that tells how you are suppose to have sex with your spouse.
But, that said I think that the military is a great opportunity for anyone who is young and single. I would say just keep it to yourself and do your best to not leave any outward sign of who you really are if you really want a career as a pilot.
Good Luck
Anna
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Hey, Virginia! Did you know that you're being picked on - again? Or should that be, still?!?
Besides, I thought that Virginia's SO was busy keeping her out of the woodshed and in the hayloft??? I heard they had a king-size bed in there with satin sheets, too.
Hmmmm. . . . maybe that is why no one has heard from Virginia in quite a while . . . she's otherwise occupied with her SO!!!
You go, girl!!
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Besides, I thought that Virginia's SO was busy keeping her out of the woodshed and in the hayloft??? I heard they had a king-size bed in there with satin sheets, too.
Hmmmm. . . . maybe that is why no one has heard from Virginia in quite a while . . . she's otherwise occupied with her SO!!!
You go, girl!! - SL
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