Are ethical values culturally relative?

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Hi Girls:

One of my areas of interest is human behavior on several levels. I am always concerned that my input will “infect” the recipe as it unfolds. In this case, the various entries that are being made in response to the initial entry, “Are ethical values culturally relative?”

Many moons ago, I was taking a class for credit and was instructed by the professor to write a response to a question that had been previously written on the “white board.” She said that the only requirement was to address the question in a clear and concise manner.

No paper limits or minimums applied. Write a paragraph, write a book. But, stay on point and write clearly and in a concise manner.

Well, the following week we all were asked to read our papers in front of the class. Good God! After hearing the first three responses, I broke out in a sweat! Could I have misunderstood the board question? Did I stumble and hit my head? Was I on drugs or alcohol or both that night!

After everyone read their paragraph, paper, or papers, (no books, ha ha LOL), the professor then had us examine what she had written down in the back of the room on the “electronic white board” that she could manipulate with a mouse or pointer.

Needless to say, in some manner, several managed to address the question with some reasonable sense of “relativity.” On the other hand, much was a jumble of sub-topics that left many of us wondering when it was time to go home.

“Write clearly and in a concise manner,” said the professor as we rose to go home the previous week.

What is the next step here. I have copied all entries including my own in this thread into Word 2003 for later review as of 5-7-07 3:00pm.

What I am asking of everyone is to go and look back at the original first entry. Then look at your own entries. Are they clear and concise? Do they stay on point? More so, does it appear that they may represent the very nature of being human? That we say what we are thinking at the moment vs. read carefully the text and then formulate a clear and concise answer that reflects the original question.

To me, our answers/entries reflect the very stuff of which society is made up of and acts out everyday on any given topic. Making us wonder, what the heck is going on in the world? Nothing seems to be clear and concise anymore. Not that things were ever really “black and white,” just that lately it appears that we are as a culture, bogged down in quagmire after quagmire with conflict and disagreement.

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Danielle La Belle wrote:Hi Girls:
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“Write clearly and in a concise manner,” said the professor as we rose to go home the previous week.
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Danielle,

There is a built in presumption that what is "clear and concise" is a universal truth and I do not believe that to be the case. It would be more correct to say that, it's possible that "clear and concise" are universal truth's. It is just as likely, however that what is "clear and concise" are not universal truth"s. This is aside from the assumption that the topic itself were "clear and concise" to all who read it.

Context is everything. The piece I wrote was part of an entire thread. I wrote it in that context. In my opinion, within the context I wrote it, I would say it is clear and concise. However, if one were to read it as a stand alone piece, it would not appear to be "clear and concise". It is presumed that all the previous posts were already read by the reader.

There are many posts in the thread that rely on context for clarity. I think in the end, the best we can do is to try to make anyone understand what we mean.

I also offer this example as another reason I can not believe in absolutes. It's like assuming everyone reading this thread will get the same thing from it. I find that highly improbable. Which in the end makes this a simply delightful thread. Thanks Danielle.

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Hi Elizabeth:

Excellent answer if there can be such. I see your point clearly..

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This is to illustrate Jeannie's remark a few posts ago:

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Jeannie wrote:We make a Trannysaurous Rex look like a girl scout.
Very fetching, Lydia, but I want to see her in her girl scout uniform, too.
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Uh, what was the question, again? :-k
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Sorry, I should have posted that in the humor section. The spur of the moment struck.

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Post by Absaroka »

Danielle I'm not quite sure where this thread is going at this point....

I went back and reread the whole thread. And I will be the first to admit that by time I put in my first post I was responding to a jumble of various points and ignoring an awful lot of what got said in your first post. So as for staying on topic we have wandered, yes.

As for clear and concise, threads like this always seem to me to be more like verbal conversation than a written essay. So they wander around and fumble a bit.

I'm wondering if you aren't trying to gently allude to the fact that these threads sometimes get to be more of a collective monologue than a dialogue. This one, and some of the ones in hot topics, sure seem to push a lot of buttons and many people have vastly different opinions. I sometimes get on a bit of a soap box, and I often respond also to people who say things which are sometimes percieved as talking in code. I guess I listened to too much talk radio at one time.

Well I strove to be concise. Hopefully I didn't abbraviate things to the point where the meaning got lost.

Thanks for the thread.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

Hi Girls:

No code here for me. I just observed how we tend to wander in these threads. If their is guilt, I am just as guilty at times. It seems that we just have a difficult time with addressing the original subject sometimes. If "we" have that difficulty, I am going to presume (watch out Danielle), that others in the world have the same difficulty. If that presumtion is correct, then one might be able to say that this is an explanation for the state that society is in, good, bad or indifferent.

So get excited girls! That's okay with me. But, consider what I am proposing in this last paragraph. It just makes one wonder out loud.

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