femme time at the lumber super store

[Tammy_F]

Cute. Way to go. There is a lot to be said for brains!

[JoAnnDallas]

A lot of us don't remember this, but back in the 40's war years, over 80% of the work force was women. Steel Mills, Aircraft Plants, Tank Plants, Munitions Plants, longshore work, WASP, and etc. Many of these jobs were Hazardous too.
My Mother worked in a Tank Plant and a Aunt of mine was a Longshoreman durn WWII.

[KimberlyS]

A lot of us don't remember this, but back in the 40's war years, over 80% of the work force was women. Steel Mills, Aircraft Plants, Tank Plants, Munitions Plants, longshore work, WASP, and etc. Many of these jobs were Hazardous too.

The age woman gained the right to wear pants. Interestingly many only wore them for working and switched to dresses at home. The wearing pants for woman as everyday wear came slower. Maybe women wanted to stay in dresses and skirts????

[SandiAnne]

I remember, JoAnn! And here's one other thing that may surprise some.

During World War II, women were the pilots who ferried B-24 and B-17 bombers to North Africa. They flew to Belize, about the eastern-most part of South America, and then took the ships to bases in Libya, recently freed of
Axis rule. Male pilots were so needed for combat runs, that women were trained to do the task of ferrying the planes to the war zone.

Sandianne

[JoAnnDallas]

They were the WASP , "Woman Airforce Service Pilots". The ones that ferried fighters and bombers to England had armed aircraft, since it was possible that they could run into German fighters. I wonder if there are any WASP Aces? Did you know that they finially got VA benifits for their work.

[Tammy_F]

I doubt that there were any WASP aces, but it might be a good research question. The reason that I doubt it is that WASP pilots ferried the planes as you mentioned and were not combat pilots. For those that don't know, an Ace is a pilot who has 5 or more confirmed kills.

I guess another question would be how many WASP pilots were credited with enemy kills.

[edit]

After reading this, I did a quick search of a couple of history databases that I have access to and could not find any female U.S. Aces or confirmed kills. But did find that the U.S.S.R had several female aces with Lily Litvak having the most kills at 12.

[Absaroka]

My aunt built bombers during the war.

Very interesting posts and Amelie I enjoyed your post very much. Thanks

Absaroka

[MsJoann]

"The Sheriff is near!" LOL

[Lori A]

Amelie-Laveau,
At first glance I kinda took offense to your post. But then you did say "T-girls that you know" wouldn't do that type of manual labor.
However, I love to cross dress and I can and have build houses from the foundation to the ridge cap, then cleaned and cooked it them for years,and repaired and restored car and even taught gg's to do the same things so that they wouldn't have to depend on a man to rip them on repairs that they could handle themselves and save a lot of money. I made a cute 16 year old girl help me replace the clutch she wore out to teach her that the pedal on the left isn't a foot rest. And my wife who some times logs on as me to see what I have been saying on here tries her damndest to work as hard as I do on our home and micro farm. She'll dig post holes, put up fences, build things of wood and tear down any wooden structure that she deems the need to remove. And when the radiator in our recently acquired 1977 GMC truck had to be replaced, I removed it, but she put it back in while I was on the road, and yesterday she started to replace the fuel pump. The parts store had given us the wrong one, or she would have finished the job. It isn't a matter of not having a manly man to do those things and many more for her, she could probably pay some one to do it, but at what price.
Call us cheap. If we can do it ourselves we do it. Later this year I plan to remove and rebuild, (with my daughters help) the transmission in her Mustang. If we take it to a shop to have it done it will cost somewhere over $1,500 dollars, but if we do it ourselves we can do it for something like $500 so this CD will ruin my manicure and break some nails, but they will grow back.
Oh, the 16 yo had an older sister whose fuel filter plugged up. J told her after referring to the trouble shooting section of her Chilton's manual what the problem was and how to fix it. S didn't want to listen to little sister so she took it to a shop. They charged her $45.00 to replace the fuel filter. The next time they were in Wal-Mart little sister showed her the exact same filter on the shelf for $2.97.
But again you did say T-girls wouldn't do it

[DeeDee]

Jo Ann...their aircraft were not armed..as light as possible for ferry flights. They did a wonderful service and quite frankly...I'd do anything to pilot a B-24 or P-51 now. WW2 created lots of interesting stories but I tip my bonnet to all of those involved>
hugs

[Amelie-Laveau]

There is nothing at all in my posts that can be taken as offensive or even a hint at being offensive, I don’t understand why people are unable to read my posts.

Let me put it this way, before I came online, I never knew that any of you type of tgirls existed. I rarely to never met any straight cds, especially the kind one finds on cd forums, you lot never existed in my world, anyway, how can I find you, very few go out and no straight cds live near me. So for me to say that I don’t run into tgirls that do manual type work is not offensive in any way,, even to slightly imply that it is is wrong to do. So, unless straight cds start hanging at places that I go to, then I will less likely meet one that carries lumber. It is only through the internet that I found you lot, you people do not exist in my world outside the internet.

The reason that I think that the tgirls that I know don’t do manual work is probably because they are on the TS end of the tgirl spectrum. Maybe they wanted to get as far away from doing anything that can be considered manly. Some of these TS’s despise being a man, they jhate being a man and anything that they perceive to be manly would be avoided by them. I don’t know how much clearer I can write my post. If I never met a tgirl that carries wood around then I can’t lie and say that yes, I have met these tgirls,, sorry, but I have never met a tgirl that does these things and while most cds that do manual work are not going to be hanging at the same places as I do and another thing, probably a good number of these cds are in the closet which would make it even harder for me to meet them, although I would never be in a lumber store. It all comes down to where one goes out to, if I don’t go out to places where manual cds meet then I will never meet them,, I am not saying that manual cds don’t exiost, I just never saw one, hell,,, I’ve been online for 4 years on different cd forums yet I never met any of you lot,, so why is it any different that I never met a manual working CD? Why is this such a difficult thing for some to understand? A manual working tgirl does not exist in my world outside the computer, just like Eskimos are not involved in my world either, I never met either person in my life.

So, unless my hell freezes over, or cds start rehabing the abandoned buildings in my hood, I don't think I'll be meeting Eskimoes or manual cds in my life anytime soon.

PS- There are some nights when I go out that I rarely see a white person, so what are the odds that I'm going to see a cd, let alone a cd carring lumber?

[Sylvia H]

So, would it be safe to say we have identified one type of perceptual difference that exists in the TG spectrum?
I think its but a human trait to assume that others have the same perceptions we do. Th direal differences dont come out till we talk about it. Thats why I like this place...we can do so in a civilized fashion.

Personally Id like to know more of these TS's that dont like manual labor. But they dont live where I do.

BTW talking about perceptual differences, I met people in Chicago that didnt know where Schaumberg or Palatime was. I thought it was weird anyway.

xox
Sylvia

[Absaroka]

Amelie your comment about not seeing other white people struck a bit of a chord with me. My wife, who is Caucasian like me, and grew up here in the Northeast, like me, was well into her thirties before she realized that white people made up more than about 10 % of the population in the US. She always thought most of the country was black. I'm not sure how she held on to this idea for as long as she did, but she did. I was raised Swedish Lutheran. I was in my teens before I realized not everyone celebrated the festival of lights, or the Santa Lucia as we called it in our home. However living where I did all my friends were either Catholic or Jewish. In my teens I moved to the midwest. I was astonished when they talked about anti Catholic prejudice- I didn't know there were enough non Catholics around to accomplish that.

As you so rightly pointed out, we each have our own zone of reference, and it's easy to think that this is the main picture although it often isn't.



Absaroka

[Ms Zoe]

Kimberly,
Although I have very limited experience going out enfemme,the experience you had is not a lot different with the ones I have had in drab. Same-o Same-o.
However, I think Jeannie hit the nail on the head in her response with one exception. It is not the strongest that will and do survive. If that were so we would still be walking around piles of dinosaur dung. The survivors will be and are the most adaptable and the most intelligent. The way I see it, we already have a leg up on the adaptable part.
Love ya'll,
Zoe

[KimberlyS]

.... It is not the strongest that will and do survive. If that were so we would still be walking around piles of dinosaur dung. The survivors will be and are the most adaptable and the most intelligent. The way I see it, we already have a leg up on the adaptable part.

Zoe I agree with you being adaptable is very important. But things in life are usually multi-facaded. Strength, adaptive and others, with the ability or luck to pick the right method along with being in the right place at the right time.

I agree with you that we as CD/TG's have a bit of a step up on the adaptable part. A big reason IMHO why so many of us that do not pass or do not care to pass can be out and about, and blend in with the general public, at least mostly.