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See also:Jennifer H wrote:This survey means no disrespect to our lifestyle. I really am interested in the psychology behind us.
THE QUESTION: Is this self-described vampire woman any more delusional about her need for blood than any of us about the need to dress and groom en femme? (The video takes about ten seconds to start.) Thank you.
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I don't understand why Jennifer decided to delete the contents of her original post and re-posted the exact same thing here; I could easily have moved the entire topic complete with Gaven's response. 
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Actually, this is quite an interesting thought you have.
I have always wondered about things like you said. If we want people to respect and to accept our behavior in wearing women’s clothes, then do we also have to accept people who believe they are Vampires or people who truly believe that they are something else, like an animal, a dog. Time spent in a mental ward made me see different people and their different beliefs on who they believed they were. If a tgirl is to truly believe that one can be a girl trapped in a mans body, then should it also be right to say that one can truly be a vampire if the person truly believes that they are a vampire within their minds?
After all,, most tgirls believe that deep inside the brain that they are a woman, or at least have dual femme side to themselves is it then correct for one to say that deep down in ones brain that one can be a vampire or a dog. OK, the dog example is kinda bizarre but not if one spends time in a nut house it ain’t that bizarre. Maybe the dog person shouldn’t have been in a mental ward in the first place, maybe they are like the gays of the past, maybe they are being institutionalized for being who they truly believe they are, and therapy is not going to change the way they feel on the inside. Maybe in the future, people who believe that they are dogs will live a normal life.
I do know that there are some studies that say tgirls might have the brain of a woman or are wired as a woman, but I am not a scientist, so I can not say that this is true, I’m no expert. But even with that thought, can someone’s brain be wired in such a way, that they believe that they are a vampire? I do understand that many,, many tgirls believe that being a tgirl is not a mental problem that can be treated by some type of therapy to cure them of these tgirl feelings, so they can return to being a “normal” man, in the case of MtF.
I do understand that many tgirls believe that being a tgirl is not a mental disorder that can be treated by some form of therapy. But can we then say that anyone can believe that they are anything they want to believe they are with the only limit being that persons own brain. Can one say that they are truly a dog trapped in a man’s body and should society bend over backwards to give this person special needs like a separate bathroom,,, like a fire hydrant. Lol
In other words,,, excluding really bad criminal behavior like murder and pedophiles for example,,,, what is normal and what is abnormal behavior?
PS- That woman ain't a vampire, she's out and about in the daylight, also vampires don't drive hearses, we do a lot of walking. I know cause I'm a vampire.
I have always wondered about things like you said. If we want people to respect and to accept our behavior in wearing women’s clothes, then do we also have to accept people who believe they are Vampires or people who truly believe that they are something else, like an animal, a dog. Time spent in a mental ward made me see different people and their different beliefs on who they believed they were. If a tgirl is to truly believe that one can be a girl trapped in a mans body, then should it also be right to say that one can truly be a vampire if the person truly believes that they are a vampire within their minds?
After all,, most tgirls believe that deep inside the brain that they are a woman, or at least have dual femme side to themselves is it then correct for one to say that deep down in ones brain that one can be a vampire or a dog. OK, the dog example is kinda bizarre but not if one spends time in a nut house it ain’t that bizarre. Maybe the dog person shouldn’t have been in a mental ward in the first place, maybe they are like the gays of the past, maybe they are being institutionalized for being who they truly believe they are, and therapy is not going to change the way they feel on the inside. Maybe in the future, people who believe that they are dogs will live a normal life.
I do know that there are some studies that say tgirls might have the brain of a woman or are wired as a woman, but I am not a scientist, so I can not say that this is true, I’m no expert. But even with that thought, can someone’s brain be wired in such a way, that they believe that they are a vampire? I do understand that many,, many tgirls believe that being a tgirl is not a mental problem that can be treated by some type of therapy to cure them of these tgirl feelings, so they can return to being a “normal” man, in the case of MtF.
I do understand that many tgirls believe that being a tgirl is not a mental disorder that can be treated by some form of therapy. But can we then say that anyone can believe that they are anything they want to believe they are with the only limit being that persons own brain. Can one say that they are truly a dog trapped in a man’s body and should society bend over backwards to give this person special needs like a separate bathroom,,, like a fire hydrant. Lol
In other words,,, excluding really bad criminal behavior like murder and pedophiles for example,,,, what is normal and what is abnormal behavior?
PS- That woman ain't a vampire, she's out and about in the daylight, also vampires don't drive hearses, we do a lot of walking. I know cause I'm a vampire.
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Hi Amelie,Amelie-Laveau wrote: I do know that there are some studies that say tgirls might have the brain of a woman or are wired as a woman, but I am not a scientist, so I can not say that this is true, I’m no expert..
I do not believe that I'm a woman trapped in a mans body and never have , I believe that my behaviour is a direct result of the many estrogen injections given to my mother during pregnancy. I believe the fetal brain develops differently when being bombarded with hormones , as the infant develops , it feels that something is missing from life and finds that pretending to be a girl is an easy-fix solution at the time , unfortunatly by school age you are forced to look , think and act to societies standards and then the real issues start.
Well thats my experience anyway.
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Hi Amelie,
Reading between your lines I get the impression that you are totally tolerant. Whatever a person wants to be is OK - as long as he/she does not hurt any one else and does not force his/her beliefs on anyone else. If you want to be a dog - go ahead, but just don't bark too loud. You want to be a skunk? OK - just don't smell up my environment.
A "vampire" like the one in the video clip is harmless - and even takes care to be harmless. A true Dracula-type vampire (if such exists) is not to be tolerated - he can make you anemic. Admittedly, this lady vampire is strange and unusual. Maybe she is genuinely sick and needs medical care. But we cannot be judgemental about her and label her as evil or criminal. Just put up with her as long as she doesn't hurt anyone.
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Reading between your lines I get the impression that you are totally tolerant. Whatever a person wants to be is OK - as long as he/she does not hurt any one else and does not force his/her beliefs on anyone else. If you want to be a dog - go ahead, but just don't bark too loud. You want to be a skunk? OK - just don't smell up my environment.
A "vampire" like the one in the video clip is harmless - and even takes care to be harmless. A true Dracula-type vampire (if such exists) is not to be tolerated - he can make you anemic. Admittedly, this lady vampire is strange and unusual. Maybe she is genuinely sick and needs medical care. But we cannot be judgemental about her and label her as evil or criminal. Just put up with her as long as she doesn't hurt anyone.
Hugs,
Lydia
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I personally would avoid judging her needs if they aren't intruding on anyone else. On this forum, we know what it feels like to have a need that is not accepted.
I do not have an answer to the more troubling question of the person who has a need that does injure others. Our own experience tells us that suppression doesn't work well, if at all, and there's a high price to pay for it.
I am grateful that our inner feelings of femininity don't hurt others when we express them. But I have a lot more compassion for the person with the socially unacceptable need, whatever it may be. I still don't know what should be done about their plight, and I don't intend to let them victimize people. But I can't say I don't have some understanding of how hard it has to be for them.
I do not have an answer to the more troubling question of the person who has a need that does injure others. Our own experience tells us that suppression doesn't work well, if at all, and there's a high price to pay for it.
I am grateful that our inner feelings of femininity don't hurt others when we express them. But I have a lot more compassion for the person with the socially unacceptable need, whatever it may be. I still don't know what should be done about their plight, and I don't intend to let them victimize people. But I can't say I don't have some understanding of how hard it has to be for them.
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As soon as I heard "They're blood sucking, killing fiends that live forever. They are known as..."
I expected the next word to be "Republicans"
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There seems to be at this point a bunch of scientific evidence that hormones and the like can get mixed up and that some of us have the internal mental and emotional wiring of one gender and the body of another. This of course calls into question a great many of our ideas about gender. And thus we get to things like the recent pregnant man. One way of thinking about this is to say well he defines himself as a man so he is. Another is to say how do we define gender and say that a functioning uterus by definition makes us female. Part of the problem here is that our way of thinking about these things has not caught up to our science.
But this leads to a far bigger question about how do we define sanity. The definition of sanity has a very long history of being used as a tool to suppress dissent and enforce conformity. Folks like R D Laing have writen eloquently about people being labeled insane for speaking the truth, and even Shakespear in King Lear more or less said that only the court jester (fool) could both see the truth and get away with speaking it.
At the same time there are people out there who really are crazy. I've known a lot of them over the years. Many are fairly harmless, others are sometimes dangerous. Many are unhappy, often because they are so afraid. I have in mind a friend who described how disturbing it was to see something and not know if it was really there. She managed to learn to cope with this without the aid of the mental health system. (if you shut your eyes and still see it then it is a hallucination) but it was very difficult. And then a few years later the whole thing stopped. She has no idea why.
Grounds for being treated against your will include being a danger to yourself or others. But once more this gets vague. One could make the arguement that most world leaders should be locked up on these grounds. After all do we really want someone who would be willing to use it to have access to the nuclear trigger? Even the military gave this the acronym of M.A.D. (Mutual assured destruction) On a more mundane level should all active alcoholics be locked up. Every time they aim their car they are a danger to others. Of course if they get caught they do lose their license.
I think this whole question is one of the reasons public cding makes people nervous. It raises the question of what's next? After all in warm weather isn't nudity just another taboo? The Taliban threw acid in the faces of women who wear makeup. Here if you are naked we just throw you in jail. Show up to work naked and get fired. Keep it up and be judged insane, lose your home and family, spend lots of time being "helped" yet without rules society does fall apart, and that is a very bad thing.
All that being said I don't equate crossdressing with thinking you are a dog or other animal. I don't know much about vampires so I will avoid much comment, although drinking human blood would be a form of cannibalism I would think. As was the toast we drank to make father in law when we spread his ashes and then dipped our fingers into our drinks. Or when his wife kissed her own fingers after spreading his ashes because she couldn't just wash them off.
They say that trying to make rules that account for every possible exception makes for bad rules. I'd agree.
Absaroka
But this leads to a far bigger question about how do we define sanity. The definition of sanity has a very long history of being used as a tool to suppress dissent and enforce conformity. Folks like R D Laing have writen eloquently about people being labeled insane for speaking the truth, and even Shakespear in King Lear more or less said that only the court jester (fool) could both see the truth and get away with speaking it.
At the same time there are people out there who really are crazy. I've known a lot of them over the years. Many are fairly harmless, others are sometimes dangerous. Many are unhappy, often because they are so afraid. I have in mind a friend who described how disturbing it was to see something and not know if it was really there. She managed to learn to cope with this without the aid of the mental health system. (if you shut your eyes and still see it then it is a hallucination) but it was very difficult. And then a few years later the whole thing stopped. She has no idea why.
Grounds for being treated against your will include being a danger to yourself or others. But once more this gets vague. One could make the arguement that most world leaders should be locked up on these grounds. After all do we really want someone who would be willing to use it to have access to the nuclear trigger? Even the military gave this the acronym of M.A.D. (Mutual assured destruction) On a more mundane level should all active alcoholics be locked up. Every time they aim their car they are a danger to others. Of course if they get caught they do lose their license.
I think this whole question is one of the reasons public cding makes people nervous. It raises the question of what's next? After all in warm weather isn't nudity just another taboo? The Taliban threw acid in the faces of women who wear makeup. Here if you are naked we just throw you in jail. Show up to work naked and get fired. Keep it up and be judged insane, lose your home and family, spend lots of time being "helped" yet without rules society does fall apart, and that is a very bad thing.
All that being said I don't equate crossdressing with thinking you are a dog or other animal. I don't know much about vampires so I will avoid much comment, although drinking human blood would be a form of cannibalism I would think. As was the toast we drank to make father in law when we spread his ashes and then dipped our fingers into our drinks. Or when his wife kissed her own fingers after spreading his ashes because she couldn't just wash them off.
They say that trying to make rules that account for every possible exception makes for bad rules. I'd agree.
Absaroka
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Lydia I thought of the example of communion but I suppose that is not really eating human flesh or drinking human blood. If you believe, then you are eating and drinking God's body. That is no longer cannibalism.
Back to the original topic. Amelie I would be interested in know what does being a vampire entail? I've read a little (very little) about it a long time ago, something about occaisionally consuming a little blood withdrawn with sterile needles from willing partners. I suppose you could accomplish the same thing with certain sexual practices at certain times of the month but I did not think this made me a vampire. I'm guessing that if it involves mostly going out at night it is something of a lifestyle thing not always having to do with consuming blood. I suppose I could just look up that website for another take on it.
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Back to the original topic. Amelie I would be interested in know what does being a vampire entail? I've read a little (very little) about it a long time ago, something about occaisionally consuming a little blood withdrawn with sterile needles from willing partners. I suppose you could accomplish the same thing with certain sexual practices at certain times of the month but I did not think this made me a vampire. I'm guessing that if it involves mostly going out at night it is something of a lifestyle thing not always having to do with consuming blood. I suppose I could just look up that website for another take on it.
Absaroka
everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon