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Sears Caveat Emptor!

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Last December, I bought a DVD recorder for the family for Christmas. By end of January I was thoroughly convinced it wasn't working properly, but I had misplaced the receipt. Still, no big deal. Stuff happens, and I wasn't upset.

By July, I realized I needed to take it to Sears along with my Bank Statement for that month, and explain the situation. At that time they refused to provide any assistance, insisting they needed the actual receipt, not some record in a statement. It took them 45 minutes to decide this, by the way, and the manager didn't have to guts to come back to electronics to tell me this in person, but rather called the floor flunkie to pass the message on for him. Now I was a little upset, being in essance called a liar to my face in spite of my bank statement, but still I held my temper.

Last week I found the original receipts. So today I went back to Sears with this piece of junk I've been storing for nearly 10 months.

Today magically, the story has changed again. "Your receipt is older than 90 days. There is nothing we can do, due to our policy".

OK, Now I'm really pissed! @#%*&^ -,,- !!arg!!

So, when I am un-employed at end of November, I will have eight hours a day with nothing better to do than to hand out flyers in front of Sears, advising people to consider the possibility that they will also be treated poorly by Sears' flaming disingenuous inflexible return policy. :twisted:

Please tell everyone you know, Sears is no longer the company they were when I worked for them in 1972. They now think the customer is never right, and they think this just isn't their problem. It is safer to buy mailorder or on E-Bay than to buy junk at Sears. Needless to say, I'll never shop there again.

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By contrast, I recently returned a printer that was not satisfactory to Circuit City. I had lost the receipt, but I told them the approximate date of my purchase (about 2 weeks earlier). Within 15 seconds, they found my transaction on their computer with just my name, and I was credited with the full refund to my credit card.

I am sure that Sears had your purchase on their computer, but they were just too lazy to look it up.

Not all megastores are SOB's.

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Your recorder should have a 1 year manufacturer's warranty. Contact the manufacturer.
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The persons (and I use that term generously) did make repeated attempts to find my purchase in their computer, back in July. Either the department was too busy when I made the purchase to put me in the database at that time, or the computer lost it due to virus/crash or whatever, or they had no real intention of finding me, only of looking like they were trying to find me. I won't put anything past them after what I have now read about Sears on websites like my3cents.

The store has suggested that after 90 days the warranty is parts only, which means probably more in labor/shipping/insurance costs to repair it than a new unit would cost.

Oddly, the LiteOn website is mute on the subject of warranty, and I have apparently misplaced my copy of the warranty.

Some weeks it just doesn't pay to get out of bed....

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Hay Bernice, I though Wal-Mart was the only buy and stuck with it company.
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Post by Danielle La Belle »

Oh goodness girls we are really in a snit aren't we!

Let's go back to square one. :lol:

Sears distributes a product made by manufacturer (LiteOn) X. For what it is worth, LiteOn is not really a manufacturer per se. They are a distribution channel from South Korea and LG Electronics. Another small manufacturing group actually makes the item, then LG provides it to other electronics-add-on after market people that tag the item with their label and ship it to another group that handles the USA contact.

Phew!

So, what is going on here. The actual cost of the item is so small that little benefit is arrived at by providing any real after-market support. Unlike brand-naming such as Sony, Panasonic, RCA, (LiteOn) is not specifically purchased as such by the consummer. So, there is little if any incentive to provide expensive aftermarket support. Throw it out and buy a new one is today's mantra. (90-days)....not unusual warranty any more.

With your blood pressure soaring sweeties, the only thing that will ever come out of this is a few medical bills for emergency hospitalization after your heart attack....over a throw-away piece of technology that was designed and assembled with the specific concept of throw-away, not repair/replace.

40 years in technology, only to watch ITT Tech advertise on television two new degree programs in law enforcement and law science should tell all of us something. We have no manufacturing here in the USA any more. We just talk a great deal; cell phones, ring tones, bare bones, you name it along with the telemarketing industry.

Sears is not the only store in town. On the other hand, I purchased a vehicle one year that was new and did not turn out to well over time. I still went back and purchased another vehicle from the same dealer and manufaturer. Why? Becuase I knew at the time that the dealer did not design or make the car and the manufacturer that did, would only be responsible in a limited way after several years and miles.

It's the game. I know girls, people should treat us better. Unfortunately, right now, people are just trying to keep their heads above water, so we can catch that next telemarketing call, ha ha LOL.

Anything electronic under $199 is a throw-away. Most repair shops are $75.00/hr plus parts. So in reality, this is not so unheard of any more. Too bad about your particular Sears store. I have been very fortunate I guess in that my Sears store has always done right by me. Perhaps in this case, it is not Sears per se, but rather, an employee or two or three at your store that failed to follow the Sears policies that are still in place.

One of those of course is the 90-day with receipt policy that Walmart also has. Unfortunately, there are so many scams these days that the big stores found that they were easy marks for them. They had to tighten the reins a bit to get the criminal element under control.

On the other hand, Sears should have accepted your word and taken care of the deal. Yep, it was some local boob that just made a mistake in policy but none the less, they are now minus a good customer. Hmmm, does Sears managment know this? Nope! You gotta write sweetie...write and tell the CEO what happened in clear and concise language. Nothing too strong, just that you think you should have been treated better and want to work with Sears to get things right again....honey attracts a more favorable response everytime.

Betcha they take care of this! The squeeky wheel gets the grease!

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Epilogue:

FWIW, I did send the (out-of-box) defective unit to LiteOn with copy of original purchase receipt and I sent it "return receipt requested". After three months with no response, I followed up by mail again. One day they called and said my unit was defective, it was covered by warranty, but the same model was no longer available. After brief discussion, I agreed to a substitute (less expensive) model with similar capabilities.

A year and four months after the original purchase, I received the replacement unit, and pressed it into service. It has been an exemplary performer. I have taken it out of service now, post Digital TV conversion, because it has only a NTSC tuner - no ATSI. But, I have a far better opinion of LiteOn than I do of Sears. I have not been back to Sears for any reason. Lessons learned.
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Hi Girls:

Spite your nose to save your face...ouch!!!

Sears will continue to be in business while you as an individual may lose out on their retail expertise by boycotting them. Do they know that you are boycotting them? Do they care? Of course not. Not really unless you march in front of their major store all day with a very visible sign. "Out of sight, out of mind!"

Let's be really honest here. Boys drool, money rules! Every time I hear someone boycott a major retailer all I can see is the individual losing a reasonable source of retailing. It may make you feel better for now, but in truth, "spite your nose to save your face," is a game that no individual can really win at. Sears does not "make" things. On the other hand, they should be willing to support the products that they sell. Most stores any more have a 10/30 day return policy on electronics.

I am of the mind-set that things happen and I try to do what serves me best in the long run. A few short-sighted retail people will not keep me from enjoying my day.

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I quit buying units. They seem to fail about 2-3 years (DVR's) and cheaper and easier to just go pickup another one for FREE from Comcast.

on DVD Players.

www.newegg.com
www.resellerratings.com
(check any company before you buy online, NE is great)

I have not gone to Blue Ray. Can't see the point yet.
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I've never had an issue with returning things to Sears, but then again, the only things I've ever had to return were broken Craftsman tools, and I've taken them some really over the top damages...smaller sockets that were driven onto larger nuts/bolts...then had an impact wrench taken to them, and the like.
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Danielle La Belle wrote:Hi Girls:

Spite your nose to save your face...ouch!!!

Sears will continue to be in business while you as an individual may lose out on their retail expertise by boycotting them. Do they know that you are boycotting them? Do they care? Of course not. Not really unless you march in front of their major store all day with a very visible sign. "Out of sight, out of mind!"

Let's be really honest here. Boys drool, money rules! Every time I hear someone boycott a major retailer all I can see is the individual losing a reasonable source of retailing. It may make you feel better for now, but in truth, "spite your nose to save your face," is a game that no individual can really win at. Sears does not "make" things. On the other hand, they should be willing to support the products that they sell. Most stores any more have a 10/30 day return policy on electronics.

I am of the mind-set that things happen and I try to do what serves me best in the long run. A few short-sighted retail people will not keep me from enjoying my day.

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I'm sorry, but I really have to disagree. Sears used to be the number one retailer in the USA. There is a reason they are no longer number one. And one of those reasons is poor customer service.

As consumers the only tool we have to make sure we get treated fairly, is the choice of who we do business with. One of the things that made Walmart the number one retailer was it's "no questions asked" return policy, which they have now backed off of.

Stores lose customers the same way they get them. One at a time. I believe it is foolhardy to do business with someone who already gave me a bad deal, whether it's a car or a toaster. And poor quality is part of a bad deal.

In my own business I made sure to always buy high quality products and personally warranty everything I sold, for a year, regardless of whether or not the manufacturer did. Like you said, Sears doesn't make anything. There only job is to get good products to market. I don't have to buy from Sears. There are lots of stores that sell the same things they sell and will support what they sell.

But as consumers if we tell Sears or any other company that we don't care if you buy crap and pass it on to us, they will. If they make a profit and there is no incentive for them to provide quality products, they won't. Complacent consumerism drives me insane. If people didn't put up with it, stores could not sell crap with ninety day warranties.

I am all for boycotting retailers who do not provide quality, good service, and fair prices.

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Thank you so much Elizabeth. When Danielle talks, I listen, and I rethink my position. Yes, you BOTH have that much influence on me.

Still, RE Sears, I felt I gave them every opportunity to make amends. In return, they were arrogant, indifferent, and as I said, the manager would not even give his own determination face to face. That isn't just poor service, or no service. They went out of their way to inflame the situation.

Danielle, it sounds as though you may have a special interest in Sears. Perhaps you own a lot of stock, or you or family works for Sears. Well, so did I. My issue is with Sears, and not with you. Had you been the manager at that store that day, this would have been resolved in a professional manner, I'm sure.

Something I left out of my original post was that the box the unit had come in had been damaged, and I noted that at time of purchase, and asked if I could return it if there was a problem, and they said I could. They did not warn me that they would make no record of this, and that to get service I would have to return within 30 days with the original sales receipt. I feel as though they lied to me.

I waited as long as I did before going in, because it was my first ever DVD recorder (or player for that matter), and I wasn't immediately sure if my troubles were my own fault or not.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

Businesses either succeed or fail, and for most, the most important reason is because of the way they treat their customers. I wasn't trying to be difficult. I wasn't trying to return soiled underwear, or stolen merchandise, or merchandise purchased elsewhere.

The only reason I posted this story was to let my closest friends know that if they go to Sears, there is a credible risk that something may go wrong. Hence, Caveat Emptor: Buyer beware.

Just as a victim of violent spouse abuse has to get away permanently, I cannot continue to enable Sears to mistreat me. Just as there are many fish in the sea, there are many retailers who sell electronics. In fact, there is nothing (electronic or not) sold at Sears that I cannot purchase somewhere else at a competitive price. I'm convinced that Sears does not care (anymore), so why should I?

I've also boycotted Alamo Car Rental since 1991. Maybe that means I hold a grudge too long. From my perspective, I've never had another bad car rental experience, nor has anyone ever told me about an experience that can rival that one.

A wise business person says to their customers: "If you like our service, tell others. If you don't then please tell us". I tried. They didn't listen. So, I tell others. It isn't libelous if I stick to the facts.

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Post by Danielle La Belle »

Hi Girls:

No, no family members working for Sears and no stock. It was just my thinking that one bad manager should not speak for all Sears company managers. Funny thing about the words "brand new." People do not think that almost everything we buy in the world of electronics was tested one last time before being put into a box and shipped to the retailer. That last time it was checked and power was applied and then disconnected telling the quality tech it was okay, something went bad as it was being turned off. No one there can know that. It was the final inspection before putting it into the shipping box. So, with less than 1% error rate in the technology sector, there will be a few bad devices on the shelf from day one. Others will have a component that tested okay but, there was a weakness in it's structure and with repeated use (exposure to an electrical charge), it fails in the hands of the owner after a short use cycle.

It only means that one single transistor, op amp, resistor, capacitor slipped through the mutli-millon parts production line. Not really bad for humans! But that is where the warranties come in. Yes, I agree, customer service in most areas and sectors has completely disappeared.

We forget that blogs etc are plentiful today. Everyone speaks their mind as it should be. On the other hand, my neighbor has a "beef" with a national retail chain store. Do you know which one it is? Of course not. So, you are not going to boycott them. You may go there every week to your local retailer outlet store in that chain.

That really is all I am saying girls. I do not want to sound like a broken record but, gee, one vote, one person is fine. It is not going to change Sears unless you boycott the store in a physical way, you are a noted front page writer of a major newspaper or on-line source of information.
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The real problem is that at the level of corporate governance, self interest has replaced any sense of national pride or sense of responsibility to the fellow citizens employed by the corporation. CEO compensation is based on meeting certain performance goals,usually involving cost cutting , and increasing profits over a short term. There are various ways to do this, but the easiest is just to offshore everything.

If we are ever to return to a position of national stability and security, this has to change.
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Hi all,

I agree with Elizabeth on this one. Too often, people underestimate the effect their purchasing choices have on companies both large and small. Yes, "one person, one vote" is all very good, Danielle, but that's the whole point; our "vote," as consumers, lies in how (and where) we choose to spend our money.

Regardless of the human resources reasons for it, Bernice got the shaft at Sears and she's acting responsibly, as a consumer, by refusing to plunk another nickel in Sears' coffers and by telling other consumers about the reasons for her choices. I, for one, will think twice about buying something from Sears. No company, no matter how big, can allow itself to become complacent in an age where so many (often more local and sustainable) choices are on offer. Though "no-account" corporatism still rules, the end of the top-heavy multi-national is rapidly approaching. Every Soviet Block has a Berlin Wall in its future. It's unavoidable. Every Goliath that stands tall, thinking it can trample with impunity the Davids that surround it, will be felled sooner or later. And the harder it will fall, too.

I say, hold on to your slingshot, Bernice. You use it well.

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