More Evidence

[Susan]

I wonder where this will lead to, it looks pretty damning to me, soon we may all be girls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8361863.stm

[Charon (SO)]

who is in charge us or the hormones ???i realy do wonder about this question what does everyone think

[DonnaT]

Clearly the hormones are in charge. They influence how the body develops. And the brain is a part of that body.

Even though the parents of these children can force their will on the kids, this could be very detrimental to a child's self worth, possibly resulting in aggressive behavior, or depression, or even suicide.

[Bernice]

Wow. This brings back a long forgotten childhood memory. As a very young child (maybe 3-4), I had a soft plastic (probably PVC) hand puppet that had a distinct yet tolerable flavor. I must have consumed about a fourth of it before it was taken from me.

You don't suppose?

Hugs,

Bernice

[MelodyPerkins]

In the womb, our bodies have immature buds for both sex organs. The default sex is female. If the SRY gene is not present, testes are not created, the male sex organ buds reabsorb, and the female buds continue to develop. The reverse is true if the SRY gene is present.

Any disruption in the SRY gene, testosterone production, or malfunctioning of neurological links can affect the development of a boy. Hence, it is more common to see male TGs than females, because the development of a "normal" male is so dependent upon the genetic and hormonal onfluences at the exact moment they are needed.

An upshot in female TG came with the use of DES (diethylstilbestrol) by pregnant women. DES is a powerful estrogen based hormone, which causes dense neurological links in the BNST area of the hypothalamus, causing many females to identify as males.

Additionally, the use of soy products is believed to have a feminizing affect.

Perhaps these things are old news to people here. I am new to the board. If not, here is a link to just one of the many journals regarding this emerging science.

http://faculty.bennington.edu/~sherman/ ... GENDER.pdf

[DonnaT]

In the womb, our bodies have immature buds for both sex organs. The default sex is female. If the SRY gene is not present, testes are not created, the male sex organ buds reabsorb, and the female buds continue to develop. The reverse is true if the SRY gene is present.

That's not correct.

All babies start with a pair of gonads. Depending on the chromosomes(XY or XX) and the response to hormones, these gonads either drop to become testes, or drop to become ovaries.

On a very very rare occasion, there can be two sets of gonads resulting in both testes and ovaries, although one set does not fully develop. One form of many different forms of intersex development.

There are other chromosome combinations, such as XXY, etc. and gene mutations, such as CAIS, which can lead to a person being Intersexed.

For example, a person with a 46XY karyotype should develop into a male, but if the androgen receptor gene is completely resistant to androgen (CAIS), they will look female, but have undescended testes; there will be no ovaries, Fallopian tubes or uterus; and the vagina will be blind-ending.

And my theory is, if this can happen to the reproductive organs, why can't there be a number of different forms of intersexual development of the brain, our largest sexual organ.

[MelodyPerkins]

In the womb, our bodies have immature buds for both sex organs. The default sex is female. If the SRY gene is not present, testes are not created, the male sex organ buds reabsorb, and the female buds continue to develop. The reverse is true if the SRY gene is present.

That's not correct.

All babies start with a pair of gonads. Depending on the chromosomes(XY or XX) and the response to hormones, these gonads either drop to become testes, or drop to become ovaries.

On a very very rare occasion, there can be two sets of gonads resulting in both testes and ovaries, although one set does not fully develop. One form of many different forms of intersex development.

There are other chromosome combinations, such as XXY, etc. and gene mutations, such as CAIS, which can lead to a person being Intersexed.

For example, a person with a 46XY karyotype should develop into a male, but if the androgen receptor gene is completely resistant to androgen (CAIS), they will look female, but have undescended testes; there will be no ovaries, Fallopian tubes or uterus; and the vagina will be blind-ending.

And my theory is, if this can happen to the reproductive organs, why can't there be a number of different forms of intersexual development of the brain, our largest sexual organ.

Perhaps I have used the wrong terminology in calling them "buds".

I was referring to the Wolffian ducts and Mullerian ducts which are both present in all infants during early gestational periods.

The Wolffian ducts become the male reproductive organs if the SRY gene is present, and the Mullerian ducts are then reabsorbed by the body.

If no SRY gene is present, ALL infants will continue to mature the Mullerian ducts into female gonads, and reabsorb the Wolffain duct.

See this link: but there are others.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/miracle/dete_flash.html


As to intersex condition,

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001669.htm

[DonnaT]

A similar link

http://web.archive.org/web/200806151653 ... opment.htm

[MelodyPerkins]

A similar link

http://web.archive.org/web/200806151653 ... opment.htm

LOL, the hospital filter will not allow me to access that web page. I will have to view it later.

best wishes, Donna.

Melody

[MelodyPerkins]

A similar link

http://web.archive.org/web/200806151653 ... opment.htm

Finally was able to view that site. Yes,..exactly correct.

I think that my point was that without the SRY gene, the default growth of the child will be female. The SRY gene signals the change in development,...and contains the information required to make changes to the anatomical structure to make boys.

It seems to me then, that for "optimal" male anatomy, identity, and sexual desires to be present,....everything needs to happen in the right amounts, at the right time, and without problems. The trouble is, there are so many variations which can occur giving the male a greater variance in development. Hence,...I think more males than females are likely to have physical variations in masculine or feminine appearance, gender identity, and sexual desire. It is societal norms which creates the notion of the "optimal" or "normal" male. Because of public disapproval, or in some cultures persecution, most males with a variance hide them, and are considered perverts. Of these statements, I am only making conjecture based upon limited observations and my opinions as to what makes sense given the available information and thoughts thus far. But, I would love to hear others' opinions. Do you think there are more variations in male anatomy, sexuality and identity than in females,....generally speaking?

[Susan]

Melody

I agree with you.

The default sex for humans is female and it seem that the male of the species is the weaker.

My own preferences aside, I am really concerned for the future of the human race, Apocalypse may not be due to atomic bombs but to seemingly innocuous cleaning chemicals.

Elbow grease never harmed anyone!