What if it were the other way around?

How are you dealing with or handling this aspect of your life?

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VERY POSSIBLY would like to have her breast removed.

And how about hormones and an added male sex organ? I could maybe go with dressing the part, as women already pretty much do already when dressing casual but, surgery and the full transition would be beyond what I could handle. I admire the women and men that can stay with their mate through a full transition.
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Virginia wrote:It is my considered opinion that "in the real world," it would be harder for a gg to hide the fact that she was TG ...
FtM transitions are much more convincing socially. With clothes on, hormones alone do amazing things to masculinize - lots of changes that are hard to undo once done. Under our clothes, though? MtF transitioners have it much better.

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Post by DanteCarrie (FTM) »

perhaps transgendered is an umbrella term although it is a rubbish one as the word trans infers a transition and for many crossdressers there is no transition we aren't changing we just like to wear the other genders clothes but we still identify as our birth gender so its seems odd on a thread related to crossdressing to say a woman crossdresser would want to remove her breasts that does fall more specfically into transgendereism cas there are differences. being a crossdresser does not mean a desire to change the body that is why /i would say a distinction exists between the two.
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Hi Dante. Uhm, don't forget the term transgender was invented by crossdresser Virginia Prince, she who formed the Society for the Second Self (TRIESS) because she thought the term transvestite in common use at the time was demeaning to CDs as she understood them.

The term was co-opted by the politically activist GLB as an umbrella for all who wanted to dress up to try to add to their numbers, donations and political action. They have mostly had a hard time understanding the difference between being gay and being transgendered and transsexual, mistaking the trans desire to wear womens clothes as a kind of queer and supressed gay-ness.

People who are transgendered under the old use of the term are primarily straight people, mostly men, who like (for one reason or the other) to dress like a woman. Women who like to dress to potray men are often called "drag kings" even though they may not do drag. and some would fit them in under lesbian or gender queer. I think such folks as yourself could just be considered transgendered, in the sense that you like to crossdress.

The people who wish to make their minds match their bodies through surgical modifications are transsexuals. You are very correct that there are considerable differences in motivations between TG and TS. For TS just dressing up doesn't do at all. I and others can be happy in the evenings at home dressed in a sweat or T shirt (dependng on season), with or without a bra (usually without --you get tired of one all the time. I can also dress for special purposes, going out, going to the symphony, or out to dinner, but am relieved to take them off. The key is that I see these as my correct clothing. There have been/are people on this forum who have begun as crossdressers, then later discovered they are other than that and have transitioned and are preparing for surgery, or not

On the other hand, drag queens are performers, portraying specific women for purposes of entertainment in costume. When the performance is over, they take off the costumes and go join their gay friends and partners as males.

I have known of a few TS who tried drag for awhile, as a means of helping to obtain extra money for surgery, but wound up spening all their money earned on new costumes, and stopped. Several have told me they saw the difference between themselves and drag performers, because when they finished, they put on female street clothes and had a few drinks before going home. Their personal identities were female, not gay males.

There was an ironic joke in the circles I was part of: What's the difference between a CD and a TS? Answer, about 5-10 years. That is not so true as many happy (more or less) cders on this forum could tell you, but people learning who they are here and continuing to transition does happen.

To make things more confusing, the term Transgenderists is often used to describe, not terribly accurately, a person who wishes to live as a woman but retain their male anatomy, and there is the analog among women who live as men without surgery or counseling. Some people consider these folks as Non-op, meaning there is no intent to have surgery, but also lump into the term those who are unable to have surgery for financial/health reasons but want the surgeries. I guess the difference is between the intent..... maybe?

Ah well, so many humans exposed to the scientific technique of classifification, of biology, elements and other things including behavior in an attempt to understand it. People love to split hairs and argue about it..... To name it is to grasp it and give you the opportunity to understand. Often doesn't work where people are concerned. :)

I would hope that you have looked into yourself and determined who you are, a woman who likes to protray guys, or a man in a woman's body? Or something else?

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Karen wrote:NEEDLESS TO SAY THIS WOULD BE
THE SHOCK OF A LIFETIME. iF YOU LOVE HER YOU WOULD DO WHAT??
NOW REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT A CROSSDRESSER.
I hope and pray that this will never happen amongst this forum of
wonderful people....but how would you feel??????
This is a very interesting question. I have always been attracted to women who are very feminine. That being said, my wife has a streak of tomboy in her, but still knows how to be a woman. When she gets dressed up girly, I really like it. She doesn't wear skirts or dresses, but still looks great and femme.

If she quit that and started to dress more like a man, I would think I could handle that. I wouldn't prefer it, but could understand her feelings and needs. Much the same way that I understand what most of you say here without much explanation. We are largely in the same boat here, maybe on different decks, but still the same boat.

The interesting twist here is that you said "NOW REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT A CROSSDRESSER." Taking that into consideration, maybe my answer would be completely different. It is my CD experiences and needs that allow me to understand what she would be saying and feeling. Just being an average non-CD guy, I suppose it could be possible that I would not like or accept it. I hope I would, but how can any of us truly know that, since we ARE CROSSDRESSERS?

One thing is for sure... it once again makes me appreciate my wife even more for her being able to accept me without her having similar feelings or needs. That takes a special person. Like I said before, this is a really thought provoking topic.

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Post by Karen »

Jessica and all of you

Thanks for responding. It sounds like your wife IS a VERY SPECIAL PERSON,
and ALL SO's that except this are not only special people
but are almost SAINTS.

I don't feel that my wife would except it at all. I throw a few comments
now and then and she gives answeres that tell me that she would
be ENTIRELY against it. So, I think for the immediate future, I'll
let it go.

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Post by Lily »

I have to admit, I miss read the question. I don't know how I would handle it if it was the other way around and I was not a CD. But having gown through it with someone once I should hope I could handle it as well if it happened again, hopefully with a happier ending.
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Post by Absaroka »

Here are a couple of random thougths that some of these posts led me to.

Kate Bornstein has said that the most famous modern day drag queen is Madonna. This is becasue drag queens usually present a caricature of women.

DRAG by the way is a show business terms. An accronym for dressed as girl. So a drag king should really be a drab king.

I have a friend who is lesbian who likes to bemoan her love life with me. A couple of times I've asked her what she is looking for in a partner. She always starts out that she must be femme. There is a whole dyanmic here I only understand by being told about it, but the point is that she winds up subscribing to a lot of the same stuff heterosexual guys do. When I've asked her further to descibe the person she'd like to go out with she will add that they should (in this order) be young, attractive, wealthy and either white or Hispanic. At which point I tell her that she sounds like a typical man.

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