I'm in male mode 99% of the time and, conversation-wise, there are women to which I can totally relate and I never try to avoid subjects, so talking about tits and whatnot is on the menu, but that's because I've known them for long enough to feel confident about those subjects without being wronged.
On the other hand, there are women towards which I feel inhibited, and going into a delicate conversation would give me a really obvious blush.
About general behavior, I try to be nice to everyone, irrespective of their gender.
Difference in treatment
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Alizee_Noelle
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indeed NieA exactly. yeah if they were super fit I could block out what they are saying and perv on them but they seem uncomfortable with me. Its like they don't relate to me cas I'm not like them and don't want to be my friends and for some reason they don't mind men ,even men they aren't going to sleep with, sort of being polite to them just cas they look good they know the guy is interested in their body and they love the attention but when its another women even if they say they are gay friiendly or whatever it seems to make them really uncomfortable even though i have a partner and am not going to sleep with them.
I'm not saying thats all straight or femme girls are like that. I met this really hot straight very femme blond from sweden who was soo cool and could talk about sex and lovers and women and not clothes but thats like one in a million.
and i get on with my sister even though shes pretty femme but then shes my sister she trys to get me even though we have diff taste in partners, clothes, music even our sexual attitudes lol but shes my sister so thats cool.
but come on if one already has a hot partner and has hot gay female friends who aren't annoying and girly to talk to and be yourself with then it kind of makes me feel why should i pretend i want to listen to some only okish looking bimbo talk about her boring shoes that i don't even like. its not like they pretend to be inetersted in the stuff I'm in to they just get awquard around me.
Its worse when I'm femme cas then people treat you like your one f those girls so at least people whether rightly or wrongly have assumptions about the wa you look they expect a slightly different personality from a more masculinly dressed girl hence why I only dress really femme for my partner as he knows who i really am anyway and around my mates i go butch or goth (non femme goth) or just kind of jeans and a t shirt at the most femme.
so yeah i notice i distinct difference in treatment depending on the way i dress.
Oh but if girls are talking about tits I'm always up for that
I'm not saying thats all straight or femme girls are like that. I met this really hot straight very femme blond from sweden who was soo cool and could talk about sex and lovers and women and not clothes but thats like one in a million.
and i get on with my sister even though shes pretty femme but then shes my sister she trys to get me even though we have diff taste in partners, clothes, music even our sexual attitudes lol but shes my sister so thats cool.
but come on if one already has a hot partner and has hot gay female friends who aren't annoying and girly to talk to and be yourself with then it kind of makes me feel why should i pretend i want to listen to some only okish looking bimbo talk about her boring shoes that i don't even like. its not like they pretend to be inetersted in the stuff I'm in to they just get awquard around me.
Its worse when I'm femme cas then people treat you like your one f those girls so at least people whether rightly or wrongly have assumptions about the wa you look they expect a slightly different personality from a more masculinly dressed girl hence why I only dress really femme for my partner as he knows who i really am anyway and around my mates i go butch or goth (non femme goth) or just kind of jeans and a t shirt at the most femme.
so yeah i notice i distinct difference in treatment depending on the way i dress.
Oh but if girls are talking about tits I'm always up for that
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heres something, a lot of men that ive encountered from their own words dont mind lesbians - they are cool for them they dont care about them being homosexuals. however, they find homosexual men if that is the right word to be disgusting and wrong... eh??? sometimes it jsut amazes me how ... hihiiihhiih god.
dante em... you know you really seem to like boobs. maybe i should give you some booby pics hohohohohohoho.
i think they dont talk much with you coz they sorta sense youre not interested in what they have to say. and what youre interested in is not something they want to talk to you about.
alizee, well me I dont really open up such topics with other people, even with close friends. I will of course respond though if they want to talk about such things I guess.
dante em... you know you really seem to like boobs. maybe i should give you some booby pics hohohohohohoho.
i think they dont talk much with you coz they sorta sense youre not interested in what they have to say. and what youre interested in is not something they want to talk to you about.
alizee, well me I dont really open up such topics with other people, even with close friends. I will of course respond though if they want to talk about such things I guess.
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hhhhmmm yeah many men say that. they are say lesbians are fit but gay men are gross but thats because they find the idea of two women together arousing, i can relate to that but they find the idea of two men together off putting as they are not attracted to men.
However they usually think lesbians look like they do in cheap porn all super super femme with long blond hair and long nails and though very feminine blond lesbians exist none have long nails (unless they are actually straight and acting) and they are often quite offensive to more androgynous lesbians or women in general.
I've been called stuff by men who suppsoedly 'like' lesbians because I'm not a lipstick lesbian or more accurately a lipstick bisexual in my case....i don't think thats a real term is it LOL.
so those men tend to actually just be homophobic to all gay people most of the time. course there are some who just like all lesbians as its two girls together and are disgusted by gay men.
I don't get this as my partner is really straight. not butch hates sports and all that crap but is really turned off by the idea of penis and men's erm stuff lol but this doesn't make him disgusted by gay men at all because they aren't forcing him to be gay so he doesn't see an issue he hangs out with my gay friends loads hugs them and everything.
i only have two straight friends atm him and the other straight guy i met through my gay friends in fact all the straights i know are super gay friendly as i met them through my gay friends.
but yeah some straight men are arse holes so are some straight women. I've heard from girls 'gay men are so cute and funny but lesbians are gross i would kick my daughter out if she was gay' yeah i know freaks. they see gay men as a fun novelty item they want to have them as a best mate to seem cool but a lesbian friend isn't a status symbol for women shes just gay or bi or whatever. also some people say they are ok with gay people but actually have no idea how to act around you and get uncomfortable when you are yourself. but then again some people are fine with gays and think bis are some sort of disgusting little whatevers so most people are arseholes and 5% of the population aren't LOL
yeah straight girls dont want to talk about boobs in a sexual sense, haven't met many with the same taste in music and they think at first cas I'm bi I'l talk about boys but I don't fancy many men just the occasional one and mainly my partner as most men AREN'T slender 5 foot 8 and long curly hair as if they've stepped out of lord of the rings. lol i love the hobbit look. also i don't talk about people i fancy like they do. i do say omg hes so cute cute bla bla i'd probably say hes got a nice package I'd like to garb and a tight arse and I'd like to get up in there LOL and some more explicit things. well thats how i feel about my partner anyways. men talk about women that way alot. women seem to sort of squeek and speak in cutish ways with no passion.
Haha yeha i f-ings love tits. I watch way too much porn but oh well
However they usually think lesbians look like they do in cheap porn all super super femme with long blond hair and long nails and though very feminine blond lesbians exist none have long nails (unless they are actually straight and acting) and they are often quite offensive to more androgynous lesbians or women in general.
I've been called stuff by men who suppsoedly 'like' lesbians because I'm not a lipstick lesbian or more accurately a lipstick bisexual in my case....i don't think thats a real term is it LOL.
so those men tend to actually just be homophobic to all gay people most of the time. course there are some who just like all lesbians as its two girls together and are disgusted by gay men.
I don't get this as my partner is really straight. not butch hates sports and all that crap but is really turned off by the idea of penis and men's erm stuff lol but this doesn't make him disgusted by gay men at all because they aren't forcing him to be gay so he doesn't see an issue he hangs out with my gay friends loads hugs them and everything.
i only have two straight friends atm him and the other straight guy i met through my gay friends in fact all the straights i know are super gay friendly as i met them through my gay friends.
but yeah some straight men are arse holes so are some straight women. I've heard from girls 'gay men are so cute and funny but lesbians are gross i would kick my daughter out if she was gay' yeah i know freaks. they see gay men as a fun novelty item they want to have them as a best mate to seem cool but a lesbian friend isn't a status symbol for women shes just gay or bi or whatever. also some people say they are ok with gay people but actually have no idea how to act around you and get uncomfortable when you are yourself. but then again some people are fine with gays and think bis are some sort of disgusting little whatevers so most people are arseholes and 5% of the population aren't LOL
yeah straight girls dont want to talk about boobs in a sexual sense, haven't met many with the same taste in music and they think at first cas I'm bi I'l talk about boys but I don't fancy many men just the occasional one and mainly my partner as most men AREN'T slender 5 foot 8 and long curly hair as if they've stepped out of lord of the rings. lol i love the hobbit look. also i don't talk about people i fancy like they do. i do say omg hes so cute cute bla bla i'd probably say hes got a nice package I'd like to garb and a tight arse and I'd like to get up in there LOL and some more explicit things. well thats how i feel about my partner anyways. men talk about women that way alot. women seem to sort of squeek and speak in cutish ways with no passion.
Haha yeha i f-ings love tits. I watch way too much porn but oh well
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i hope no one gets me wrong, I dont mind if it was preference but its the way things get worded. I dont know if these are jsut "kids" or are really just idiots but theres a difference between "I like lesbians but I dont prefer men going at it with each other" vs "I like lesbians and theyre cool but gay men, thats wrong". Its not preference anymore at that point.
i mean its like 'morality only when its convenient', what kind of a joke is that. I couldve atleast respected something solid where the view is the same for both.
well thats nice dante that your SO is cool with such.
I havent really talked to women about such things. but when I was plain and with regular guys they talk about women and their escapades with em easily, but the thing to note is, they only do these when the woman is just for fun - they wont do these with one's they usually love and stuff.
i mean its like 'morality only when its convenient', what kind of a joke is that. I couldve atleast respected something solid where the view is the same for both.
well thats nice dante that your SO is cool with such.
I havent really talked to women about such things. but when I was plain and with regular guys they talk about women and their escapades with em easily, but the thing to note is, they only do these when the woman is just for fun - they wont do these with one's they usually love and stuff.
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hhmm yeah that sucks. i had a woman say to me once she was ok with gay men but not lesbians as she was scared they'd hit on her. ugh cas yeah women who are gay like all women including fat heffers what a bitch. ironically later she changed her tune and became the one woman I've erm 'been with that way fully' and my girlfriend for a while and after I broke up with her later cas well she was annoying she changed her tune again and was straight and hated bisexuals and said she was ok with lesbians but was very uncomfortable when they talked about their feelings and was a total bitch and turned everyone against them. one f those supposedly cool people in school despite being slightly fat. weird!
haha thats odd my partner and i talk about our exploits often. I do it cas I'm proud of our love i hope he feels the same. we aren't that shy about what we've done I suppose for me i haven't been with that many people so he knows hes special and not just for fun.
haha thats odd my partner and i talk about our exploits often. I do it cas I'm proud of our love i hope he feels the same. we aren't that shy about what we've done I suppose for me i haven't been with that many people so he knows hes special and not just for fun.
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Yeah for some reason men too, they think just coz one is gay they are crazy for all men - including them, hohhohoho what makes them think theyre so desirable oh my god hohohohohho.
as for your ex, I guess she was just young and well.. just have no idea on what she really wants or really thinks.
well me I tend not to talk about such with whoever is current, I mean its more like me wanting to hide its more like me not wanting the person to have negative thoughts and feel bad or soemthing. I mean some people dont say it but they usually get insecure about these things - even inner anger. but I guess of course if id be ask, I feel I should tell out of fairness
as for your ex, I guess she was just young and well.. just have no idea on what she really wants or really thinks.
well me I tend not to talk about such with whoever is current, I mean its more like me wanting to hide its more like me not wanting the person to have negative thoughts and feel bad or soemthing. I mean some people dont say it but they usually get insecure about these things - even inner anger. but I guess of course if id be ask, I feel I should tell out of fairness
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well perhaps i feel ok talking about as i have nothing negative to say about my partner ever only praise of him body and performance. i am happy with everything. yeah you are right about her she never changed though even years later still a cow LOL.
Indeed why they think all gay people are going to drool on them is beyond me.
Indeed why they think all gay people are going to drool on them is beyond me.
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Hi Girls:
A commonly understood idea; women are from Venus while men are from Mars."
Another commonly understood idea; women are prone to be collective in their relationships while men are for the most part, more prone to be individualistic about their male relationships. Just examine how "lions behave."
Something that has alwaya been on the top of my list of observations; we still depend predominately on men to take up arms and defend the nation. While more women than ever before are now included, the ratio is still strongly in ther men's camp.
So it goes that in our current social settings, women tend to treat other women as "friends and companions," while men tend to treat other men as a comrade in arms approach. Sports, war, men things for many years, seem to have cultivated a more distant male personality and family cultivates a closer relationship for women.
Like the black and white keys on the piano, they work in harmony to bring us lifes bitter-sweet song.
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A commonly understood idea; women are from Venus while men are from Mars."
Another commonly understood idea; women are prone to be collective in their relationships while men are for the most part, more prone to be individualistic about their male relationships. Just examine how "lions behave."
Something that has alwaya been on the top of my list of observations; we still depend predominately on men to take up arms and defend the nation. While more women than ever before are now included, the ratio is still strongly in ther men's camp.
So it goes that in our current social settings, women tend to treat other women as "friends and companions," while men tend to treat other men as a comrade in arms approach. Sports, war, men things for many years, seem to have cultivated a more distant male personality and family cultivates a closer relationship for women.
Like the black and white keys on the piano, they work in harmony to bring us lifes bitter-sweet song.
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interesting. I think I'd rather be from mars where people don't sqeek about shopping and even though its all red and the hair is toxic at least one won't burn alive in the volcanic atmosphere of venus.
I think surely the fact that loads of people like us exist i.e. crossdressers, genderqueers, trans, androgynous, butch, femme proves that men and women aren't from different planets as then many of us would be straddling the cosmos as our personalities are too much of a gell bewteen the too or our personality doesn't quite match our sexy body. hhhmmm.
I think surely the fact that loads of people like us exist i.e. crossdressers, genderqueers, trans, androgynous, butch, femme proves that men and women aren't from different planets as then many of us would be straddling the cosmos as our personalities are too much of a gell bewteen the too or our personality doesn't quite match our sexy body. hhhmmm.
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Hi Girls: 
Well ..... exactly. The female lions gether together in groups .... aka human females do the same ... ever notice? The female lions hunt together for efficiency and effectiveness, thus reducing the probability of failure or injury to themselves. By grouping together, they also form a bond so that if one is killed and has off-spring, there would be a chance that the group would take in the orphans. While the male on the other hand is known for eating the young of other males off-spring to get the fermales into heat faster so they can procreate their own young. Hmmmm!
Observation of what is not said, can be as or more important than what is said or written and deliberately left out. I like to leave it up to the reader to put 2 + 2 together.
"More to this girl than meets the eye," as an example! Hmmmm! I leave it up to you to decide on that concept.
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Well ..... exactly. The female lions gether together in groups .... aka human females do the same ... ever notice? The female lions hunt together for efficiency and effectiveness, thus reducing the probability of failure or injury to themselves. By grouping together, they also form a bond so that if one is killed and has off-spring, there would be a chance that the group would take in the orphans. While the male on the other hand is known for eating the young of other males off-spring to get the fermales into heat faster so they can procreate their own young. Hmmmm!
Observation of what is not said, can be as or more important than what is said or written and deliberately left out. I like to leave it up to the reader to put 2 + 2 together.
"More to this girl than meets the eye," as an example! Hmmmm! I leave it up to you to decide on that concept.
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Danielle Marie
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