Idaho TG Banned From Grocery Store

[SilverLady(SO)]

I can see where this may be applied to CDs, too.


LEWISTON, Idaho (AP) — A transgender woman was banned from a western Idaho grocery store after customers complained she used the women's restroom, police in Lewiston said.

Alberto Robledo, 25, of Lewiston, identifies herself as female and goes by Ally. She was leaving a Rosauers store in Lewiston late on April 8 when police officers gave her paperwork informing her that she had a "no trespassing" order against her for using the women's restroom.


Full article found here: http://news.yahoo.com/transgender-woman ... 54807.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


- SL

[Carol Ann]

Welcome to the club , I too have been ask to leave a store because the owner don't want MY KIND around.

[DebbieW]

What if she had used the male restroom would she have still been hounded? I bet I know the answer to that question. All she wanted to do was do what she needed to and do and wash her hands and go. It is not illegal for men to use women's restrooms here in UK. The ignorance of people sickens me. As I often say people are frightened by what they don't understand and they react to it with hostility. There is only one thing I don't tolerate and that's the intolerant.

[Carolynn]

The article I read claimed that the outrage from the complaining women was that the transwoman was standing to pee with the door to the cubicle open. Then she apparently claimed that it was part of her physical nature to do so. Frankly, that is not even trying to fit in nor avoiding discontent, if true. I do not know if that part of the story is true or not, or if it is just some kind of justification on the part of the store owner. The remainder below may seem like a rant, but there is a point to it that demonstrates the attitudes in Idaho I experienced first hand.

..... rant cut ..... ks

Given the conservative attitudes I experienced while working there ....cut.... ks transitioning in the conservative/religious social environment of Idaho, or even crossdressing, would be detrimental to your health and welfare and contrary to a very few news articles I read over the last two years suggesting attitudes were softening towards trans issues. In short, the person banned from the stores should really leave the area before something happens to them if they are transitioning.

[Sarah Ann]

Having lived in Utah while assigned to a military base there, I can only agree wholeheartedly with Carolynn. The Mormons aren't particularly chummy with "gentiles" in general and have little tolerance for ladies like us in particular.

I'm desperately curious, what sort of archaeological sites in Idaho did you investigate? Paleo, or what?

The local IGA here where I am in Florida had an incident a couple of years ago (not with me, thankfully) that resulted in a very rude sign being posted on the ladies' room door to the effect that "only women born that way" could use it. It was later taken down.

[DebbieW]

If the transwoman was behaving in a manner that the women claimed then that is unacceptable. As Idaho, however, fosters the conservatism that Corolynn describes then maybe the complaint should be treated with caution.

.... cut response to (now-deleted) carry-on rant from Carolynn's post, above - ks

Please forgive me if I have digressed too much from the transwoman restroom topic. I think, however, that it would be good to discuss the archeological and environmental themes in the off topic none CD issues section.

As for crossdressing being detrimental to your health. What codswallop! I would say if anything my health has improved since I have been crossdressing. I am a much happier and relaxed person for it.

The transwoman restroom incident strongly highlights the argument for unisex restrooms. I agree with Carolynn that she should leave the area. It should not have to be so but as the world is sadly over riddled with ignorance and misunderstanding about CDs and the transgendered. Safety has got to be the number one priority.

[Ralitsa]

I can't comment on specific religious groups, but I will take exception to the general characterization that conservatives are intolerant of us. While I have experienced a few instances of rudeness, most of the people I get along best with are very conservative.
But of course there are 2 sides to every story, so who knows what really happened. At any rate, it seems clear that both parties will be happier if they part ways.

[Davita]

Did I miss something? Wasn't she just banned from the potty and not the store?

[SilverLady(SO)]

Davita -

A transgender woman was banned from a western Idaho grocery store after customers complained she used the women's restroom, police in Lewiston said.

The owners of the store took out a No Trespass Order on her, barring her from the store in its entirety, not just the restrooms.

The article I read claimed that the outrage from the complaining women was that the transwoman was standing to pee with the door to the cubicle open. Then she apparently claimed that it was part of her physical nature to do so. Frankly, that is not even trying to fit in nor avoiding discontent, if true. I do not know if that part of the story is true or not, or if it is just some kind of justification on the part of the store owner.

It appears that it was not just her use of the women's restroom but her actions while in there that caused other customers to complain . . . and if those actions were indeed committed by her, then the store's owners were justified in obtaining the No Trespass Order.



- SL

[DebbieW]

I was simply referring the kind of negative conservatism that Corolynn described. It is not and never was my intention to tar all conservatives with the same brush. There are good conservatives and bad conservatives like in every other sectors of society. I agree whole hardheartedly that it is in the interests of both parties to go their separate ways.

Although we don’t know which side of the story is true and we should not jump to conclusions. I do, however, agree with SilverLady that if the transgender woman was behaving in the manner that the complainants claimed. Then the store was within it’s rights to take out and enforce a No Trespass Order. I would also add that if she behaved so disgracefully then it goes a long way towards stifling CD and transgender community members in their efforts to educate the public and dispel the myths that society perpetuates.

[Carol Ann]

OK, you know it is people like this who upset me and give ALL crossdressers a bad rap.
I would never in a million years do anything like that, first I am a lady and second believe me I would close the stall door and sit why give yourself away and cause a problem.

True I have been ask to leave a store because I was read but no big deal hold your head high and leave without makeing a sence.

Now on the other hand yes I have been read many a time and women are just nosey and ask a lot of question but on the other hand I have been given many a nice compliament on my dress and behaver.

My greastest thrill was in JCPenny's when I was checking out the lady said to me "for a man you do make a very nice looking women" .

I am me I am CarolAnn

[Carolynn]

OK, so after my (to me) semi-rant about my experience in Idaho, there is now this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ ... 5I20130424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Reuters) - Idaho officials on Tuesday dropped a requirement that transgender residents show proof of surgery to alter sex designation on their driver's licenses, bringing the state in line with policies in most other parts of the country.

The change, which comes after a complaint by the American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho, requires a court order or sworn statement from a doctor for those seeking to revise their gender on Idaho driver's licenses.

It repeals a 2011 rule that required proof of surgical gender reassignment before licenses could be modified.


Serves me right for using the broad brush.