Here's my story...

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Mandy (SO)
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Here's my story...

Post by Mandy (SO) »

Hello, I posted an initial "hi" message, but after reading so many other's heartfelt posts, I've decided to give the whole story. Hopefully, this will give people insight into me, and by doing so, maybe be able to more specificially help with issues I have. Also, as I have always been one to tell ALL my problems to my mom/sisters/friends, and can't do that now, it will serve as my outlet for having to tell SOMEONE.

Ok, here I go...in someways I feel new to this, in some ways not. Perhaps when I tell the whole story you'll understand.

So...my husband and I have both been married before, both short (3 years) relationships, mine while I was still a teenager. His did result in a daughter, whom he has had custody of since the divorce with only very recent (after 7 years) contact with his ex-wife at all. So his daughter is OUR daughter, she moved in with me when she was 3, she's now 11. She hasn't seen or spoke to her biological mother since she was 2. Anyway, after we had been married for two years, and I was expecting our first child, he told me that he occasionally wore my thigh highs (thigh highs being his biggest turn on for me to wear...now I wonder if it's because he wanted to borrow them? He says no, he honestly loves me in them). I don't remember exactly how I felt, except for confused. For some reason I didn't think it was a HUGE thing. I looked on it as a bit of a sexual pick me up thing, he said he just liked how they felt. (Note to CDers thinking of coming out to your SO...while she is pregnant is NOT a good time) I didn't at that time go through any huge how could he not tell me thing, mainly I think because at the time I thought he had done it for the first time in mine, therefore not being this "years kept away from me" secret. So, I think he wore them maybe once while we made love (with me in a pair also) and nothing much more was said about it. Maybe we were drunk?

Next, fast forward about two more years. He is in the Army, and sometimes it requires he be gone for long periods of time, specifically, he went to a 6 month class in Texas, while we were in Germany. Our phone conversations started to turn to him dressing more often, to the point of us discussing buying him accessories (at that point a wig and shoes). He has since told me that he thinks that maybe he was so frustrated at that point (he brought nothing with him to dress in) that he was going nuts and overboard as to ordering things. I went ahead and ordered the things, and also bought some bras, panties, makeup and nails for him. Thing is, when he came home, nothing much more was said again...he didn't rush home and put them all on or anything. (Not in front of me anyway, and he says he never "put the whole ensemble together, just tried on the wig). So again, I wasn't really freaked out or anything, just a little uncomfortable with the idea, and mainly that because I was confused as to why I got all that stuff if he wasn't going to come home and do the whole deal. I guess I kind of felt like I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring it up. Then, a little more time goes by, and he starts every once in awhile wearing thigh highs to work under his uniform, which I'm still kind of uncomfortable with (more on the aspect of something happening, him getting into an accident and getting caught, etc. He has the very real threat that if he did get "caught" like that, his career would be over...he has 13 years in on a 20 year retirement so far), but also uncomfortable, because he was still kind of "hiding" it from me, and I didn't understand why, when I had been the one to buy it for him and I felt that showed that I was ok with it. During this time, while we were still in Germany, I went home to visit for a month, and he dressed in my clothes (still without the wig) and made a video that I watched when I got home, which still led to no big discussion, or him doing it more openly. (During this time, he mentioned once while he was drunk, putting on his mom's pantyhose and falling asleep and his parents coming home and finding him and accusing him of being gay) So, we came back to the states, and I get pregnant again. Once again, I went home for a visit, and I come home and find a price tag from a bra I got him (not my size) on our dresser. When I asked him if he worn it while I was gone he said no. Why, why, why...I don't understand this aspect...I'm the one who bought it, why continue to have to lie???? So, a couple months later all of a sudden he's bringing up him being with another man. We had already had the same type of discussion as far as I was concerned, we batted around the idea for quite awhile of me being with another woman, on the terms that he would be there to watch, and had thouroughly discussed all the benefits and consequences of such a thing. (In the end, I decided against it, as we went to a strip club, and I got a lap dance, and even that felt wrong and like cheating to me, the "finding out what it would feel like" not being worth the trade off) Part of this is also to illustrate how we can talk about issues completely with eachother and make educated and informed decisions concerning them. Yet another reason I didn't understand why he never would talk to me about it. So, we decided maybe he would try to find another man to be with, and he posted an ad on a site that caters to that type of thing. Here I will admit that I was hoping it would fall through, lose it's novelty, like it did with me, before it got to that point. So, as part of this ad, he completly dressed for the first time in front of me, I did his makeup, and we took pictures for him to post. Then, it got to the point where he had a serious inquiry, to the point of talking about finding a time to get together. (I'll also add here that me being the room was one of the requirements) While I was worried about diseases, I was basically ok with him trying this. I certainly wasn't worried about him "turning gay" So then things got hectic, I had the baby in January, and he never really made any serious attempt at finding a babysitter ( I feel his way of avoiding it b/c he wasn't so sure after all). I also, in March, got him breastforms for our anniversary, because during the time he made the video while I was away, he expressed frustration at finding something to pass for boobs. I included a card with them, telling him that this symbolized he could tell me anything..still no big conversation. Anyway, this guy starting IMing me, and through the course of that suggested a book for me to read. I ordered the book, starting reading, and had quite the eye opening. I guess I had also thought it as some kooky sex thing, I certainly never realized what a part of him this was. I asked him to read the book with me, and whenever either of us came to a point we wanted to discuss with the other, we would highlight it. Through this came, after all these years and all these incidents, our first real discussions on the actual crossdressing subject. (Right now I'll interject that I had a phone conversation with his ex-wife, about a year ago and she said something to the effect of, you got a wierd one there, likes to wear panyhose. I asked him if he had with her, and once again he lied, saying the only time he had ever worn panty hose when he was married to her was out to the field to keep the ticks off, which apparently a LOT of soldiers do.) So, through the course of the book, and our first real discussions, I got quite a few revelations. Now, crazy as it sounds, after all this time, THIS is when I got upset about the hiding it from me and lying in the past, because this was the first I realized to what an extent it had to have been. This was when I started having all my conflicting thoughts, does he want to be a woman, etc. He admitted that he vaguely remembered trying on pantyhose when he had to have been pretty young, all he remembers is the legs were flapping at the edge, so he had to have been pretty little. He admitted that the one time his parents caught him was not the only time when he was a teenager that he snuck pantyhose, and admitted that he had worn them during sex with his ex-wife as well. But and I admit I still don't understand this one...he said that until this book he's never considered himself a "crossdresser", just that he has these urges to wear things once in awhile. That one is still hard for me to understand, because we aren't just talking about stealing my pantyhose and things, this man already has a wig and shoes and outfits for crying out loud! He further explained that he's always tried to stop it, that he gets these fleeting urges once a week or so, until they build up to every two months or so this big argument in his head, where one side is saying, this is stupid, you are a man, and the other side wanting to do it. So, he'd always give in and wear something, and be fine for a couple months again. We are both new to this crossdressing being a part of him, and he's started to work towards acceptance. He's agreed that when it comes to the point in his head where he's arguing against it, he's just going to do it. He is scared though, that the more he does it, the more he will like it, and neither of us want him doing it all the time. I feel that if he can accept it as part of himself, then when the urges do come he can do it, and be much more satisfied in those times that he does, so he doesn't have this constant taboo need of having to do it more. I think the more he does deny it, the more he will end up doing it. I think proof of that is the 6 months he spent away not being able to dress at all, and then all of a sudden he needed the whole outfit. I go back and forth on my ideas of it as well. I accept it, I'm fine with it, and when he does do it I want to participate. Like for intance right now, I have this want to do his makeup for him, and have him bring Anita downstairs to spend the evening with me after the kids are asleep. My big hesitation in all that is that I'm afraid that if I suggest that, he's going to think I want it all the time, and I know there are going to be times when I am just in the mood for HIM, not Anita. I know that part if just going to take good communicating and we have to work on it.

We also decided after finding all this out, he won't be being with another man, for one thing we decided, what if he likes it, do we regularly schedule a certain amount of times a year for him to do it? Both of us were uncomfortable with that, feeling like breaking our commitment to each other too much. So, while I'm not completely new to this, I am definitely new to what it entails.

I guess that's long enough for now, I'll let you guys in with some feedback :)
Mandy (SO)
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Post by Mandy (SO) »

Whew....didn't realize how long that was, I apologize...

I also want to add, on that aspect of him being with another man, I think that him not understanding the crossdressing part of him, he thought "I like to wear women's clothes, I need to be with another man to find out why. Now that we are understanding it better he doesn't feel that need.
Mandy (SO)
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Post by Mandy (SO) »

Also, side note...both times this has come to a head (him initially telling me, and our now understanding it) I've been pregnant or breast feeding like I am now. Interesting? Maybe bringing it more to the forefront by knowing that no matter how female you become you can never do that?
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Post by Gelinda »

:-k :-k Mandy, I can very well relate to your husband. I have not done the stuff with my wife as he has, I am not that brave as it might run her off. But I have been an Army Ranger with the beret and Operation Phoenix with me being a Sniper with 12 confirmed kills( which I still have nightmares about).

I think it has taken me 47 years to admit to myself that I am a crossdresser. I have done it a lot over the years, Get mad and burn the clothes or something, say I am not going to do it again. I do good for a while then for some reason or other,(Wish I could figure out why) I do it again. Unit I found this and a couple other websites that attempt to explain why to me, That is when I admitted it to myself.

That was only a month or so ago. I truly thought I was going crazy and should be put away. A man that can kill at over 3/4 of a mile wanting and needing and going crazy if he does not wear womans clothes. I aways blamed Vietnam for it but I know now that it was a long time before like I stated in my other opening up thread.

I would be truly concerned with him wearing anything to work, as it is so active that you never know when pants are going to be torn or anything else for that matter.

I do know this when I am super upset with work or the family or money problems, I can dress partly or totally en femme and will be able to look at the problem in a different way and most of the time relax and de-stress-ive and work the problem out much better than if I do not. The only time I wear any woman clothes to work is days I know are going to be bad, it helps for some reason, I wish I could fiqure out.

Mandy, I have not written this much in years. O'Well. Gee :-k :-k
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Post by Virginia »

Mandy, honey, first I can not excuse the lying, but unfortunately for some it just comes "with the territory." We, Cd'ers are really struggling with "what the hell is going on with me?" syndrome. As Glinda pointed out, not understanding can lead to purging and as some of the other sisters have posted, that can get really expensive. If you have read some books I hope you are familiar with Carl Jung, if you have not read the article, "Jung' Anima Theory and How it Relates to Crossdressing." I must highly recommend it.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... /anima.htm
Here is my take on this: Some Cd'ers are content to dress to various degrees and stay "in the closet" i.e., never go out. Some dress once or twice and never again - they supress or repress the urge 'till they die.
Others, (for whatever reason) seek to dress completely and go out into public (initially for me it was the challenge to see if I could pass) others go for other reasons. Could be with SO's support or just to be with other CD'ers or they just enjoy it. For some, good, bad or indefferent, CD'ing does lead to alternative lifestyles, T/S or I guess, the ultimate SRS. This can disrupt loved ones lives so, not being an expert in that area, I would only suggest that if that appears - seek counselling.
A question that came to me early on was when I am dressed and I look in the mirror, who do I see? Do I see a guy in a dress or do I see "Deborah"? Well, now I see Deborah, my female personna. It is essential that I control her however and "she" realizes that and it works.
I hope that as your husband goes into this that he and you begin to see the gift that comes with this. The abiltiy to transition, i.e. emit the female personna, the characteristics of compassion, love, gentleness, empathy by a male is really a gift and to further understand the whys can and should be a blessing to all the people that your husband comes into contact with. You both have one advantage that a lot of CD'ers don't and may never have and that is the understanding that communication is the critical aspect of your realtionship. Keep talking and understanding each other and God Bless.
Love,
Deborah
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Mandy (SO)
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Post by Mandy (SO) »

Guess it was a little long for anyone to want to read :roll:
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Post by Gelinda »

Mandy: I understand the last statement from you. I truly understand as I have done so wanting answers and help and bear my sole and get hardly anything sometimes too.

I have wondered why also sometimes I think it is that the answer I am looking for was not asked correctly or I rambled too much. Mut manyly I think in my case I am to confused to make myself understood.. So maybe I am too Redneck I do not know. But have been looking for other boards to go with this one.

Mandy, I truly love the answers you have given me, They have helped a lot. I quess I need to put on my professional side instead of opening my sole to the board and maybe then I can get the answers I am truly looking for. I will never be the beautiful female that most of the pictures so on here. That will never be me and if it takes me being the professional I have to be at work and not the true me then so be it.

I hope I am not being to down as I am wondering about all this myself, and hope I did not read something into the words that the short msg was not saying. Sorry Gee.

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Post by GalicianGirl(SO) »

Hi,

I apologize if it comes across that we are ignoring you. I for one sometimes don’t know what to say. :(

Thank you Gelinda and Deborah for your posts to Mandy. I’m sure that they have been some help to her. :)


Mandy(SO),

Boy that really was a long post…But that’s okay..

Sometimes I think those long ones scare people away…. :?

I’ll just try and get to some of your questions…

About the lying….That is not uncommon at all. These CDers hide this side of themselves for most of their lives and the lying is part of the territory. Shannon used to do the same thing to me. I knew what was going on but he could not come right out and tell me. I think it just takes a while for him to break this cycle. I told Shannon that this had to stop or our marriage is over...

Lying is one thing that I will not stand for and you shouldn’t either. I have flat out confronted Shannon at times when I knew he lied. You and your partner really need to talk about this issue.

I think with a lot of our partners, they really don’t know who they are. It seems like yours was trying to seach for his identity by all the things that he went through. I’m glad that book has helped him discover who he really is…

The big issue now is his acceptance of himself. Once he does that it will probably be a lot easier for you to accept things...


On the subject of how often…Each CDer is different. The best solution to that again is to talk about it. Find out what would be fine for him and comfortable for you. It may be once a month or once a week. You both have to be comfortable with the decision. I’m sure eventually it will change according to how you accept things. Just take it slow. If you both jump in too fast you might end up starting back at square one.

Go ahead and help him with his make-up and hair but let him know what your limits are… =;

You're right communication is a must…Shannon and I still have a big problem with that unfortunately…

It seems like you already know what you both have to do….

The only advise is to take it slow and keep the lines of communication open and everything will hopefully work out just fine…

Please keep us informed…

Sharon(SO)
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Post by Elizabeth »

Mandy(SO),

I know the lying is hurtful, but as a crossdresser I always felt like society forced me to lie. Because I was forced to lie, I did not hold it against myself, and also don't feel anyone else should hold it against me. I lied because society completely devalues you as a man, and assumes you are gay. I could never say to myself "I am a crossdresser", until recently. I always denied it to myself. I would call it a panty fetish. But that was not the truth. The truth is that since I was 11 I have had severe gender dysphoria, and spent a great deal of my life wishing i was a girl.

However, when I met my wife and started dating her, I was so enamered by her that I did not feel a need to dress. And when we moved in together, I purged, not because I was afraid of being discovered by her, but because I thought those feelings were over. Even when we split up for a while after living together, I did not feel the need to dress.

After we had been together for over three years, and been married for a year, Her lingerie was beconing me. Not only that but my wife had a lot of dresses and other clothes that fit me. Soon I was dressing up whenever she was gone with the kids. I never had access to a wardrobe like this before, plus makeup, nail polish, eyelash curler, you name it.

Then i got my opening, my wife and I had always been adventurous in bed, and she wore my underwear to a sexual encounter. She said it turned her on to have my underwear on. So I asked her if I could wear hers, and she said "sure". It was a great experience, but I still could not tell her that I was wanting to wear her clothes all the time. I waited a few weeks, and I wore stockings, garter, and panties to a sexual encounter. I could tell she was not enthusiastic about it, but also did not condem me.

Then one day when we were getting ready to go to her parents house, she felt a garter under my pants, and she lost her noodle. She told me it disgusted her, and she was not going to put up with it. So I went back into the closet. Again, she forced me to lie. At least that is how i looked at it. This started the purge and partial acceptance cycle we stayed in for 17 years.

I dont have any answers for you, just to share my perspective. I would be quite happy if my wife were as accepting as you.
Love always,
Elizabeth
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