serial Killer wants sex change in prison

Merinda · Post by **Merinda** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:32 am

As the title reads , this was a big talkback issue last october and has now resurfaced.
A three time woman hater/killer in prison has decided that now he wants to become a woman , he wants to abuse the legal system and order that his sex change be funded by tax payers .
A formerly imprisoned transgender person today described this individual as fraud , " he is abusing the system for nothing more than attention.

What has got up my nose today is the Melbourne Herald-Sun newspaper putting a photo of this evil person on the front page with his hair pulled into two ponytails.
This is the absolute worst example of anyone with gender issues and it an insult to all decent transgender people , now community attitudes of TG's in general have been sent backwards .
This person has committed horific crimes and should be left to rot in hell , not to be given the exposure on the front page of the newspaper.

CJ · Post by CJ » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:41 am

Hi all,

Merinda,

Yes, I understand what you mean. It's the "Ed Gein" or "Jaime Gumb" effect. However, I think most people won't necessarily establish a connection in their minds between this convict's gender issues and his sociopathic behaviour. At least I hope not...

Love,
CJ

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:25 am

Hopefully it will help TSs get air time to explain why they are different.

The media loves to turn gender things into news (especially crime). It historically catches high ratings numbers.

Beauty

LeftyRainbow(SO) · Post by **LeftyRainbow(SO)** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:37 am

When I was dating my spouse , I picked up a paper at work in the break room and there was an article on how this CD dentist murdered his wife rather than being "outed " by her during the divorce proceedings.
(How ironic that it made more sense to him to be an admitted killer rather than an admitted crossdresser

)
I thought the same thing then about the bad PR for CD's and hoped that people would be bright enough to see that CDing obviously wasn't that dentist's problem.

Lefty

Josey · Post by **Josey** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:26 pm

Hi Y'all,

I get just as upset as the rest of you about the impact things like this have on CD's but moreso is the statement that we will have ot pay for this conversion if he gets it.

I can understand taxes having to pay for needed medical treatment for prisoners. This is elective surgery. If he wants it, he should like all the rest of us have to pay for it himself.

CJ · Post by CJ » Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:05 pm

Hi all,

It's not so much that his SRS would be publicly financed that bugs me (after all, in many circumstances, here in Quebec, SRS is covered by provincial health care, as it's considered an available "treatment" for transsexualism and is, therefore, free); no, no, it's not that we (or our friends Down Under) must pay for his SRS, as that he expects us to pay after having committed irreparable harm and damage to the very society he now seeks help from. I"m fairly compassionate as a rule but, in my book, this person's behaviour is beyond clueless. That authorities could find incarceration arrangements that would take into account his gender needs, I'd agree to, (and allowing him to finance his own SRS, sure, no problem) but using public deniers to help him transition is, in this context, a little too much, I think.

I've tried to think with my heart on this one, to be compassionate, to put myself in his shoes... and it always comes down to this: if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't have committed the atrocities he allegedly has. Of course, it's easy for me to hold these opinions without having heard the facts, or without having heard his own version of why he thinks we should finance his SRS, so anything I say has to remain my own highly personal opinion. Do you have a link to this case somewhere, Merinda? I'd be curious to see what gives.

Love,
CJ

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:15 pm

Hello all,

Criminal activity is not exempt from cross-dressers, nor should it be. We are just not all that perfect? As has been stated by others here we are no better or no worse than the rest of the world.

The media seldom is interested in getting there facts right, and print what will sell. and for those of us who tend to support that, are in my opinion engaging in an unhealthy and hurtful activity, in an attempt to escape the reality that we are unable to love ourselves as much as we would like to. Quite frankly cross-dressing is a means of achieving an escape from that, and causes far less pain.

Virginia · Post by **Virginia** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:46 pm

OK Sis, since I can not say anything about being blond, I will just have to copy off your response and study it.
Love ya,
Deborah

Bernice · Post by **Bernice** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:38 pm

Daring to open mouth and insert foot - at least with SRS, this individual might be less likely to commit rape (at least in a manner that would transmit disease). I once advocated a similar (involuntary) treatment for both Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Oh, I know, it isn't ladylike to display such emotions, but at least here there could at least theoretically be a practical benefit.

I've also read somewhere that because SRS is prohibitively expensive in the US, many otherwise peaceful SRS candidates end up in prison for committing crimes to try to fund their SRS. No, I don't condone this, of course, but it is an observation on the desperation of some wretched souls.

I go back and forth on the issue of the death penalty - which I gather the subject individual has managed to avoid, but I have seen the legal system fail enough times that it is hard to accept only 99% right when we kill convicts. So, to relate that to this: Do we believe in redemption and/or rehabilitation, and if so, what price should society be willing to pay?

Granted, this particular subject individual has some pretty poor timing, and some nerve. But how do we absolutely know he/she is not sincere?
Do we just believe what we want to believe? Do we want to believe the worst in people?

Shoot, if I had all the answers, I would just post them.

Hugs,

Bernice

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:21 am

I don't beleive our prisons here in the US are designed to rehabilitate anyone. In fact a lot of prisons are 24/7 lockdown where prisoners are not allowed contact with each other, and only let out of their cells for an hour a day to exercise. They are cheaper to run that way. And there are no assaults or rapes. They are designed to be punishment. It is not supposed to be fun. I know in the US they don't even have to give prisoners organ transplants to prolong life.

As for the death penalty, I used to support it, but after seeing Barry Schect get I think 76 at last count, people off of death row, and out of prison after DNA proved they were not the killers, I can not support it. That means we have executed a lot of innocent people. That is not my only reason. It is also dealt out unfairly and arbitrarily. If we are going to execute murderers as a deterant, lets execute all of them What difference does the intention of the killer make , if it is your loved one they killed? Either do the death penalty across the board where Identity is certain, not eyewitness testemony, which has proved to be the most unreliable form of evidence or don't do it at all. Since this is not likely to ever happen, I can not support it any longer. I personally would like to see more states do like Alabama and return to prison terms which include "hard labor" as part of the punishment. I think life without at hard labor would be a much better punishment for murderers. So? No, I don't think the government of any country should pay for criminals serving life sentences to have any surgery. If they die, they die. But especially not surgery to enhance a prisoners quality of life.

Love always,
Elizabeth

Merinda · Post by **Merinda** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:47 am

CJ wrote:Hi all,
Do you have a link to this case somewhere, Merinda? I'd be curious to see what gives.

Love,
CJ

Hi CJ,
rather than put in a link I suggest Google search for Paul Denyer and refer to the news today which is the first item .

The second site explains the Frankston murders

Gaven McLaren · Post by **Gaven McLaren** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:50 am

Here I have an issue. My tax dollars should not be funding a criminal to have a better live. Further more I feel that he is just trying for attention. How ever if he is a convicted murder and rapest I have no problem telling him he is going to get the surgery and rather then anesthetic give him pure nitrogen gas for about 5 mins. Then bury whats left.

Merinda · Post by **Merinda** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:18 pm

Thank goodness the state government has forbiden this opperation .
Thank you Mr state premier for echoing my words " this individual is an insult to anyone with genuine gender issues " .