*Mr.Bill Maybe You *Are* Right / Maybe We *ARE* Machines

[Marda]

Note: Edited Version
Original Preface - International Edition relocated to Creativity Corner
"Mr.Bill ... You Got It Backwards / We Are *NOT* Machines"
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Are the following statements TRUE or FALSE
***

1) (Statement)

"CD/TGs are essentially social deviants suffering mental illness, cluttering the streets and doorways of progress ... "girlie men" who act like spoiled children - whining about being confined to "live in the closet" - while doing very weird things like wearing bras and panties - huh ... fundamental change is *Not* necessary ... the world is perfectly fine ... these sickos should join the army like *Real* men or move to a desert somwhere and stop sucking valuable air"

***
[(Quote from recent airline magazine ad for Microsoft ...
"Introducing the new *** System. Don't let having multiple offices in multiple time zones get in the way of greatness. Now, you can get together in team sites and shared work spaces that allow you to easily collaborate within password-protected sites. So now you're not just a team. ... )]

2) (Statement)

".. You're a finely tuned *MACHINE*."

***

[("THINK TWICE ABOUT HIRING MBAs"
Quoted From (Toronto) Globe and Mail
An article By DAVID TICOLL / Wednesday, Jul 7,2004

"McGill University celebrity management professor Henry Mintzberg says in a new book that MBA programs train the wrong people in the wrong ways, with negative "and sometimes disastrous" consequences.
...
Prof. Mintzberg's target is the conventional MBA full-time programs for inexperienced people, generally in their twenties. MBAs ostensibly prepare students for general management ...

This approach to training managers is rooted in the 20th-century myth of scientific management - an idea first proclaimed by Frederick Taylor in 1911 that there is "one best way" to run a business operation.
...
By definition, you can't teach management to young, inexperienced people. In fact, teaching is the wrong word. To play on a popular phrase: It's about learning, stupid.
...
Managers handle residual messes - the tough problems and complicated relationships - that remain after the easy stuff, the functional analysis, is done.
...
Prof. Mintzberg responds that MBA grads join a fast track to strategic influence and corporate leadership. The problem is not just that MBAs are inexperienced. It's that their impatient, analysis-based, bottom-line elitism has corrupted our managerial practices, organizations and social institutions.
...
... from the exaggerated executive compensation schemes and the failed strategies and mergers to the scandals of dishonest corporate behaviour, all indicative of a demise of leadership. A hyped-up business press and questionable consulting practices have contributed, too. But they have done so in conjunction with the educational programs, which have both legitimized and encouraged some of the very behaviours they should be challenging."
...
... Enron hired 250 new MBAs a year during the 1990s. Ten of the 19 1990 Harvard MBAs who made it to CEO were clear failures (their company went bankrupt, they were forced out of the CEO chair, a major merger backfired, and so on).
...
To this I'd add my observation of the era when Stanford MBA pseudo-entrepreneurs who hadn't yet mastered the art of shaving colluded with slightly more adept investment bankers (also MBAs) to shill the MBA notion of the supremacy of shareholder value. ..."
dticoll@globeandmail.ca(]

3) (Statement)

"Planet Earth is operating pretty much as well as it needs to and generally speaking, business is conducted according to generally accepted principles which are proven to be fundamentally sound in the developed world of free and democratic markets"

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Love? That's for wimps and "mommy's boys"!

***
/ Marda

[Marda]

Hey_Girls
I've condensed the terribly looooong original version and relocated it to Creativity Corner
Please don't waste your time going there

/M

[Jassmine(SO)]

Howdy Marda,

Note: Edited Version
Original Preface - International Edition relocated to Creativity Corner
"Mr.Bill ... You Got It Backwards / We Are *NOT* Machines"
***
Are the following statements TRUE or FALSE
***

1) (Statement)

"CD/TGs are essentially social deviants suffering mental illness, cluttering the streets and doorways of progress ... "girlie men" who act like spoiled children - whining about being confined to "live in the closet" - while doing very weird things like wearing bras and panties - huh ... fundamental change is *Not* necessary ... the world is perfectly fine ... these sickos should join the army like *Real* men or move to a desert somwhere and stop sucking valuable air"

A big resounding FALSE

***

[(Quote from recent airline magazine ad for Microsoft ...
"Introducing the new *** System. Don't let having multiple offices in multiple time zones get in the way of greatness. Now, you can get together in team sites and shared work spaces that allow you to easily collaborate within password-protected sites. So now you're not just a team. ... )]

2) (Statement)

".. You're a finely tuned *MACHINE*."

False again

***

[("THINK TWICE ABOUT HIRING MBAs"
Quoted From (Toronto) Globe and Mail
An article By DAVID TICOLL / Wednesday, Jul 7,2004

"McGill University celebrity management professor Henry Mintzberg says in a new book that MBA programs train the wrong people in the wrong ways, with negative "and sometimes disastrous" consequences.
...
Prof. Mintzberg's target is the conventional MBA full-time programs for inexperienced people, generally in their twenties. MBAs ostensibly prepare students for general management ...

This approach to training managers is rooted in the 20th-century myth of scientific management - an idea first proclaimed by Frederick Taylor in 1911 that there is "one best way" to run a business operation.
...
By definition, you can't teach management to young, inexperienced people. In fact, teaching is the wrong word. To play on a popular phrase: It's about learning, stupid.
...
Managers handle residual messes - the tough problems and complicated relationships - that remain after the easy stuff, the functional analysis, is done.
...
Prof. Mintzberg responds that MBA grads join a fast track to strategic influence and corporate leadership. The problem is not just that MBAs are inexperienced. It's that their impatient, analysis-based, bottom-line elitism has corrupted our managerial practices, organizations and social institutions.
...
... from the exaggerated executive compensation schemes and the failed strategies and mergers to the scandals of dishonest corporate behaviour, all indicative of a demise of leadership. A hyped-up business press and questionable consulting practices have contributed, too. But they have done so in conjunction with the educational programs, which have both legitimized and encouraged some of the very behaviours they should be challenging."
...
... Enron hired 250 new MBAs a year during the 1990s. Ten of the 19 1990 Harvard MBAs who made it to CEO were clear failures (their company went bankrupt, they were forced out of the CEO chair, a major merger backfired, and so on).
...
To this I'd add my observation of the era when Stanford MBA pseudo-entrepreneurs who hadn't yet mastered the art of shaving colluded with slightly more adept investment bankers (also MBAs) to shill the MBA notion of the supremacy of shareholder value. ..."
dticoll@globeandmail.ca(]

TRUE. I have said the same thing to Ahzz. One must LEARN management skills through experience. It used to be that one would start at the very bottom of the company and work their way up through the ranks. In doing so, they learned how to do everything in the company and what it entailed to manage each department. A much more useful way to train future managers.

3) (Statement)

"Planet Earth is operating pretty much as well as it needs to and generally speaking, business is conducted according to generally accepted principles which are proven to be fundamentally sound in the developed world of free and democratic markets"

***
Love? That's for wimps and "mommy's boys"!

Another HUGE FALSE to both these statements. Most corporations in this day and age focus only on the bottom line. Making a profit has become most of these corporations sole concerns. This would be ok , except that it is seriously hurting the employess and, yes, the customer. I feel that the CEOs that are being paid an exhorbentantly large salary, not to mention the huge bonuses they receive, need to start scaling back on their pay in order to keep a company profitable. Instead, they lay off workers and cut pensions and benefits. As far as loyalty to their customers, that I feel has definitely sunk to new depths. They now manage customer churn. They couldn't care less about the dissatisfied customers, so long as they have ways to lure in new ones. And they do. A lot of these companies play a veiled game of bait and switch, which is illegal. Or they just don't tell you the whole truth up front. The vast majority of ISPs offer cheap prices to get you in the door. It isn't until later that you find out that they are literally over saturating their network connections. Of course this leads to problems of the end user not being able to connect or having other problems.

Oh, I honestly think that love is what makes the world go 'round

*Hugs*

[Jassmine(SO)]

Howdy Marda,

Note: Edited Version
Original Preface - International Edition relocated to Creativity Corner
"Mr.Bill ... You Got It Backwards / We Are *NOT* Machines"
***
Are the following statements TRUE or FALSE
***

1) (Statement)

"CD/TGs are essentially social deviants suffering mental illness, cluttering the streets and doorways of progress ... "girlie men" who act like spoiled children - whining about being confined to "live in the closet" - while doing very weird things like wearing bras and panties - huh ... fundamental change is *Not* necessary ... the world is perfectly fine ... these sickos should join the army like *Real* men or move to a desert somwhere and stop sucking valuable air"

A big resounding FALSE

***

[(Quote from recent airline magazine ad for Microsoft ...
"Introducing the new *** System. Don't let having multiple offices in multiple time zones get in the way of greatness. Now, you can get together in team sites and shared work spaces that allow you to easily collaborate within password-protected sites. So now you're not just a team. ... )]

2) (Statement)

".. You're a finely tuned *MACHINE*."

False again

***

[("THINK TWICE ABOUT HIRING MBAs"
Quoted From (Toronto) Globe and Mail
An article By DAVID TICOLL / Wednesday, Jul 7,2004

"McGill University celebrity management professor Henry Mintzberg says in a new book that MBA programs train the wrong people in the wrong ways, with negative "and sometimes disastrous" consequences.
...
Prof. Mintzberg's target is the conventional MBA full-time programs for inexperienced people, generally in their twenties. MBAs ostensibly prepare students for general management ...

This approach to training managers is rooted in the 20th-century myth of scientific management - an idea first proclaimed by Frederick Taylor in 1911 that there is "one best way" to run a business operation.
...
By definition, you can't teach management to young, inexperienced people. In fact, teaching is the wrong word. To play on a popular phrase: It's about learning, stupid.
...
Managers handle residual messes - the tough problems and complicated relationships - that remain after the easy stuff, the functional analysis, is done.
...
Prof. Mintzberg responds that MBA grads join a fast track to strategic influence and corporate leadership. The problem is not just that MBAs are inexperienced. It's that their impatient, analysis-based, bottom-line elitism has corrupted our managerial practices, organizations and social institutions.
...
... from the exaggerated executive compensation schemes and the failed strategies and mergers to the scandals of dishonest corporate behaviour, all indicative of a demise of leadership. A hyped-up business press and questionable consulting practices have contributed, too. But they have done so in conjunction with the educational programs, which have both legitimized and encouraged some of the very behaviours they should be challenging."
...
... Enron hired 250 new MBAs a year during the 1990s. Ten of the 19 1990 Harvard MBAs who made it to CEO were clear failures (their company went bankrupt, they were forced out of the CEO chair, a major merger backfired, and so on).
...
To this I'd add my observation of the era when Stanford MBA pseudo-entrepreneurs who hadn't yet mastered the art of shaving colluded with slightly more adept investment bankers (also MBAs) to shill the MBA notion of the supremacy of shareholder value. ..."
dticoll@globeandmail.ca(]

TRUE. I have said the same thing to Ahzz. One must LEARN management skills through experience. It used to be that one would start at the very bottom of the company and work their way up through the ranks. In doing so, they learned how to do everything in the company and what it entailed to manage each department. A much more useful way to train future managers.

3) (Statement)

"Planet Earth is operating pretty much as well as it needs to and generally speaking, business is conducted according to generally accepted principles which are proven to be fundamentally sound in the developed world of free and democratic markets"

***
Love? That's for wimps and "mommy's boys"!

Another HUGE FALSE to both these statements. Most corporations in this day and age focus only on the bottom line. Making a profit has become most of these corporations sole concerns. This would be ok , except that it is seriously hurting the employess and, yes, the customer. I feel that the CEOs that are being paid an exhorbentantly large salary, not to mention the huge bonuses they receive, need to start scaling back on their pay in order to keep a company profitable. Instead, they lay off workers and cut pensions and benefits. As far as loyalty to their customers, that I feel has definitely sunk to new depths. They now manage customer churn. They couldn't care less about the dissatisfied customers, so long as they have ways to lure in new ones. And they do. A lot of these companies play a veiled game of bait and switch, which is illegal. Or they just don't tell you the whole truth up front. The vast majority of ISPs offer cheap prices to get you in the door. It isn't until later that you find out that they are literally over saturating their network connections. Of course this leads to problems of the end user not being able to connect or having other problems.

Oh, I honestly think that love is what makes the world go 'round

*Hugs*

[Marda]

Hey_Jassmine



Very

I *LOVE* YOU !!!

Love / Marda

[Jassmine(SO)]

Howdy Marda,

Why thank you

*Hugs & Love*

[Virginia]

Not to be a pessimist, but it absolutely amazes me that this country is still operating!!! I get the distinct impression that "NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ANYMORE!" The new atitude is: "As long as my paycheck don't bounce --- screw you!!" You find very few companies that seem to take pride in their product and back it up. It is always someone else's fault! No one will stand up and accept responsibility for there own actions. I sincerely believe that the USA as we know it may not be around in ten years. We have some really serious structural problems and it is rooted in the attitude of "I'm gonna get mine anyway I can so screw you!" I try not to think about it, but its really scary. I don't wanna be wearing a burka in a few years!
Deborah

[Marda]

Hi Deborah

Thanx 4 the thoughtz & kommentz

PLeez *Do* go to Kreativity Korner when you have a min to look at the loooonnnnnggggg version

Not so long ago I was pessimistik about this situation ...

But I do believe there is a way ... *Slow* maybe ... but thatz aktually how these situashunz develop ... and thatz how they will be fixed

The *Big* disappointment is as you mention ... people's general *Skrew_U* attitude ... *Me_1st* ...

Not so long ago I would have blamed the U.S.A. for all the trouble ... and I would have been wrong

It just so happenz that it was in the U.S.A. where the original spirit of freedom and democracy reached a kritikal mass in the last hundred or so yearz and signifikant advancements in design, produkshun and administrashun took root and flouished in the "industrial" phaze of human achievement here on Planet Earth ... *** Bless America 4 that

However ... the rest of the population on this *Space_Jewel* kaught on to "Makin'Money" ... and now *That's* the priority

*LIFE* has been put on the *FasTrain_2_Hadeez* so a mere handful of literally *Evil* mindz kan *Kontrol* their bank akkounts
in some *Weird* sort of *Global HiStakes Poker* game


Letz bash this around somemore galz

I believe in fact that *WE* *HERE* *NOW* *ARE* *A* *BIG* *PART* *OF* *THE* *SOLUSHUN*

We're *Now*, *Thanx HUGE 2 Lynn Conway, My Hero, Deep Into the Informashun Age of Human Achievement*

In our Solution Koncept ... *EDUKASHUN* & *LOVE* *R* *KEY* *KOMPONENTZ*

We have 2 take charge of the younger generashun ... inkluding young CD/TGs !!!

Itz Up 2 Us ... Itz Our Choice 2 Make


Love / Marda