Sebastion ?

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:39 am

Who is Sebastion ? A strange question, I know, but I think I'm more likely to find the answer here rather than anywhere else.

For some reason the name has been in my head for years, the only references I can remember are as follows.......

The children's TV programme called Belle and Sebastion

The disturbing film where Dirk Bogarde plays a gay man hung up on a young boy.

Steve Harley/Cockney Rebel song called Sebastion in 1973 ish

Love
Rebecca xxx

Loretta Ann · Post by **Loretta Ann** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:01 am

Who is Sebastion Who?

I know a couple of people with that name.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:51 am

Hi Darlene,

Sorry about the vagueness, it's just that it's really vague to me. I'm not even sure how to describe it, it's like a feeling that has been with me always. I was wondering if anybody else had any references to the name. The more I explore my past, the more little bits filter through, this being one of them. I know it has a connection with my femme side (hence posting it here) but I have no real idea why. It's like a name that has haunted me since I was 5, but not in a bad way.

Sometimes I talk on the forum of a 'lilting' feeling, a song in a minor key rather than major etc, it belongs in that territory, I half expected someone to say Sebastion is the patron saint of cross-dressers.

The Steve harley song has the right feel but why the name Sebastion.
The lyrics go like this.....

Radiate simply, the candle is burning so low for me
Generate me limply, I can't seem to place your name, Cherie
To rearrange all these thoughts in a moment is suicide
Come to a strange place, We'll talk over old times we never spied

Somebody called me Sebastion
Somebody called me Sebastion

Work out a rhyme, Toss me the time, Lay me, your'e mine
And we all know. Oh yeah

Your'e persian eyes sparkle, you lips ruby blue, don't speak a sound
You, Oh so gay, with Perisian demands, you can run around
And your view of society, screws up my mind like you'll never know
Lead me away, come inside, see my mind in Kaleidoscope

Somebody called me Sebastion
Somebody called me Sebastion

Love me sublime, mangle my mind, do it in style
So we all know. Oh yeah

Your'e not gonna' run babe, wev'e only just begun babe, to compromise
Slagged in a bowery saloon, love's a story we'll serialise
Pale angel face, green eye shadow, the glitter is outasite
No courtesan, could begin to decipher your'e beam of light

Somebody called me Sebastion
Somebody called me Sebastion

Dance on my heart, laugh swoop and dart, La-di-di-da
Now we all know you Yeah

As I say, sorry for the confusing post
Love
Rebecca xxx

SophieLawson · Post by **SophieLawson** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:33 pm

This is gonna sound strange but the name Sebastion does ring a bell but I can't work out where I've heard it before.

Sophie xx

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:26 pm

Hi Sophie,

Yeah, that is just how it feels to me

Love
Rebecca xxx

Tracy Babe · Post by **Tracy Babe** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:33 pm

SophieLawson wrote:This is gonna sound strange but the name Sebastion does ring a bell but I can't work out where I've heard it before.

Sophie xx

I just got a headache trying to figure out what its all about .... however, I have been drinking coffee at an alarming rate today .... I wont sleep tonight!!!! I know that much - he he

xxx

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:17 pm

Hi Tracy,

Coffee, sounds like a good idea, I'll just switch on the vid for red dwarf and be back in a mo

Rebecca

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:41 pm

Hi all,

Right, I'm back, and armed with coffee.

Tracy,

I know my question came over a bit confusing, probably because it came from the heart. Ever since I was young whenever I came across the name Sebastion, it was always seemed to be in reference to gender etc.

I did a bit of searching on the net and it turns out I know zilch about religious martyrs.

I typed in Saint Sebastion, and while I couldn't find a straight answer in black and white (now that doesn't surprise me) I did find all sorts of references.

Turns out St Sebastion is used as a gay icon, was martyred (and survived ?) by arrows because of love, androgeny etc all seem to come into it and even Narcissus. There have been films, plays, music, art with reference to Sebastion. I think the lyrics above reference a french play about decadence. (I think)

So, it seems that the 'word' Sebastion has come to mean something not black and white in the gender world etc.

This is all very vague to me, just what I gather from half an hour searching, I know there are girls here that will have a vastly superior knowledge on this than I have.

It just amazes me that ever since I was very young I reacted to the name.

Hope this helps
Love
Rebecca xxx

Jassmine(SO) · Post by **Jassmine(SO)** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:49 pm

Howdy Rebecca,

This is what I was able to scrounge up on Saint Sebastion. If you go to the site below, there are many links to check out.

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saints03.htm

SEBASTIAN

Memorial
20 January
Profile
Son of a wealthy Roman family. Educated in Milan. Officer of the Imperial Roman army, and captain of the guard. Favorite of Diocletian. During Diocletian's persecution of the Christians, Sebastian visited them in prison, bringing supplies and comfort. Reported to have healed the wife of a brother soldier by making the Sign of the Cross over her. Converted soldiers and a governor.

Charged as a Christian, Sebastian was tied to a tree, shot with arrows, and left for dead. He survived, recovered, and returned to preach to Diocletian. The emperor then had him beaten to death.

During the 14th century, the random nature of infection with the Black Death caused people to liken the plague to their villages being shot by an army of nature's archers. In desparation they prayed for the intercession of a saint associated with archers, and Saint Sebastian became associated with the plague.
Born
at Narbonne, Gaul
Died
martyred c.288 at Rome
Canonized
Pre-Congregation
Patronage
archers, armourers, arrowsmiths, athletes, bookbinders, diseased cattle, dying people, enemies of religion, fletchers, gardeners, Huelva, Spain, iron mongers, lacemakers, laceworkers, lead workers, masons, plague, police, racquet makers, Rio de Janeiro, soldiers, Spanish police officers, stone masons, stonecutters
Prayers
Prayer to...,
Prayer re...
Representation
arrows of martyrdom; naked youth tied to a tree and shot with arrows; arrows; crown

*Hugs & Love*

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:14 pm

Hi Jassmine,

Many thanks for that, it seems to be piecing together after all these years

Thanks again

Love
Rebecca xxx

Tracy Babe · Post by **Tracy Babe** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:28 am

Rebecca wrote:Hi all,

Right, I'm back, and armed with coffee.

Tracy,

I know my question came over a bit confusing, probably because it came from the heart. Ever since I was young whenever I came across the name Sebastion, it was always seemed to be in reference to gender etc.

I did a bit of searching on the net and it turns out I know zilch about religious martyrs.

I typed in Saint Sebastion, and while I couldn't find a straight answer in black and white (now that doesn't surprise me) I did find all sorts of references.

Turns out St Sebastion is used as a gay icon, was martyred (and survived ?) by arrows because of love, androgeny etc all seem to come into it and even Narcissus. There have been films, plays, music, art with reference to Sebastion. I think the lyrics above reference a french play about decadence. (I think)

So, it seems that the 'word' Sebastion has come to mean something not black and white in the gender world etc.

This is all very vague to me, just what I gather from half an hour searching, I know there are girls here that will have a vastly superior knowledge on this than I have.

It just amazes me that ever since I was very young I reacted to the name.

Hope this helps
Love
Rebecca xxx

Hi Rebecca,
yes it helps a little. Also im not so full of caffeine today, lol.

Take care
Love Tracy xx

Beauty · Post by **Beauty** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:23 am

Wow. The things we learn.

Thanks!!!

Beauty

Jassmine(SO) · Post by **Jassmine(SO)** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:51 am

Hey Rebecca

Rebecca wrote:Hi Jassmine,

Many thanks for that, it seems to be piecing together after all these years

Thanks again

Love
Rebecca xxx

You are most welcome

*Hugs & Love*

Amelie-Laveau · Post by **Amelie-Laveau** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:55 pm

This probably is not what your thinking, but there was a movie called (I Think) Adventures of Sebastion Cole. About a troubled teenager who's gaurdian was a transexual. It is a fairly recent movie so I don't think this is what's on your mind. Ijust thought there might be a link.

Love Amelie

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:33 pm

Hi girls,

Anelie.

Interesting point. Iv'e never seen the film, though it certainly sounds as though the name has been chosen for this reason. I think my early memories of the name go back to te 60s.

I'll keep on thinking about this, my deepest taste in music also goes way back too. What I call the european sound.

Love
Rebecca xxx