Thank you so much for saying that.
I wish I knew what happened and I will wear them, it's like you said, it's only the unreal aspect that makes me feel different.I can't tell you how much I appreciate your post.
Thank you! 
Beauty
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would you grow breasts
There is so much conflicting information about on opposite sex hormones and their effects, but the fact of it all is that unless a M/F TG starts hormone therapy during or as close to the finish of their natural puberty, then with each passing year the effective physical result lessens. Most of the people I know who have fully transitioned and completed their SRS have had to also have augmentation to achieve the required size.
Even for those who start their hormone therapy close to the finish of their natural male puberty, they only ever achieve one size LESS than their mother and sisters, and usually not that much. My mother and 4 sisters are C cup but after 4 years of hormone therapy my final achievement is B, which is fine for my size.
But I don't believe it's size which counts and I say this from my own personal experience as well as talking with others. I can't make any comparison with the feeling of wearing breast forms as I've never worn them, but what I can say is it's life changing when the changes occur and you can feel the jiggling from what you always dreamed of from such a young age., but for me the physical works hand in hand with the psyche, one compliments the other, there is never any conflict.
Of course this course of action is only ever for the minority even though many people have times where they feel it would be nice to have their own breasts, but for most it would never work because the majority of people need to keep their two identities separate, whereas people like me are not fluid, we don't float between the male and female, even though we are physically male, the soul has always been female.
A lot of people seem to feel they are two different people in one. Their female side is the colorful fun side and the male side is the serious more sedate grey side and as time goes on they seem to want to spend more time on the female side, especially when under any stress or experiencing any difficulties in their life. They find that SHE is more enjoyable, colourful and interactive, SHE wants to interact with others and share HER pleasure, whereas HE takes life more serious, is quiet and retiring and not spontaneous as SHE is.
It can often be that when SHE is in control, and it's common for HER to take control, then the person will have these desires to have physical female parts, but when HE is in control those desires wane. It's quite difficult for many to stop the female taking over control because that's where the psyche naturally wants to go, because that's where the fun and pleasure is and after a time this causes many people to start to think they are transsexual, but few ever truly are. For a lot of people they may feel one way but their unconscious may be saying something completely different as the conscious and unconscious don't anways work in sync. The heart may want something but the head doesn't.
I mean this in the nicest way, but a lot of people get to the stage where they don't actually know what they want, it gets confusing and their best efforts to control it all fall short and they find it's controlling them, especially when the female psyche wants to take over and they start to form a belief they are something which they really aren't and this gets borne out in many cases where the person starts to live full time in the female. That's when they truly find out that their true need is just to blend the two, enjoy the experiences without resorting to the extremes which some of us need to go to.
Kind Regards.
Sally.
Even for those who start their hormone therapy close to the finish of their natural male puberty, they only ever achieve one size LESS than their mother and sisters, and usually not that much. My mother and 4 sisters are C cup but after 4 years of hormone therapy my final achievement is B, which is fine for my size.
But I don't believe it's size which counts and I say this from my own personal experience as well as talking with others. I can't make any comparison with the feeling of wearing breast forms as I've never worn them, but what I can say is it's life changing when the changes occur and you can feel the jiggling from what you always dreamed of from such a young age., but for me the physical works hand in hand with the psyche, one compliments the other, there is never any conflict.
Of course this course of action is only ever for the minority even though many people have times where they feel it would be nice to have their own breasts, but for most it would never work because the majority of people need to keep their two identities separate, whereas people like me are not fluid, we don't float between the male and female, even though we are physically male, the soul has always been female.
A lot of people seem to feel they are two different people in one. Their female side is the colorful fun side and the male side is the serious more sedate grey side and as time goes on they seem to want to spend more time on the female side, especially when under any stress or experiencing any difficulties in their life. They find that SHE is more enjoyable, colourful and interactive, SHE wants to interact with others and share HER pleasure, whereas HE takes life more serious, is quiet and retiring and not spontaneous as SHE is.
It can often be that when SHE is in control, and it's common for HER to take control, then the person will have these desires to have physical female parts, but when HE is in control those desires wane. It's quite difficult for many to stop the female taking over control because that's where the psyche naturally wants to go, because that's where the fun and pleasure is and after a time this causes many people to start to think they are transsexual, but few ever truly are. For a lot of people they may feel one way but their unconscious may be saying something completely different as the conscious and unconscious don't anways work in sync. The heart may want something but the head doesn't.
I mean this in the nicest way, but a lot of people get to the stage where they don't actually know what they want, it gets confusing and their best efforts to control it all fall short and they find it's controlling them, especially when the female psyche wants to take over and they start to form a belief they are something which they really aren't and this gets borne out in many cases where the person starts to live full time in the female. That's when they truly find out that their true need is just to blend the two, enjoy the experiences without resorting to the extremes which some of us need to go to.
Kind Regards.
Sally.
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Hi Sally--
Yes, you touched on a prime point. When I act as a woman, I've got so many more behaviors and emotions available to me. It makes life easier and less effort. One example I gave on here is that I can automatically reach out and touch people for many reasons-- to comfort them, show enthusiasm, or just show affection.
I can be cute, silly, flirtatious, or what I would call "angelic," for want of a better word. All these words make me blush, sitting here, but I experience some version of them when out as a woman.
To get away from what you're describing, I really do try to integrate them into male life. It's not effortless there, and only an older man who's willing to be seen as quirky can even began to do this! Some of these qualities seem to have no male equivalent at all, that I can find. Of course, we're coming full circle here; that's why I began going out as a woman in the first place.
It's tempting to use girlmode more and more, since it appears to be less stressful. That's a slippery slope. I know for me, I would like to improve my presentation if I'm going out more, and that means considering facial surgery and yes, breast growth.
I really stay away from any predictions about how I'll handle this in the future. I couldn't have imagined what I just wrote here, ten years ago.
At present, I value your views and observations as a TG woman, while I keep living the dual lives.
Yes, you touched on a prime point. When I act as a woman, I've got so many more behaviors and emotions available to me. It makes life easier and less effort. One example I gave on here is that I can automatically reach out and touch people for many reasons-- to comfort them, show enthusiasm, or just show affection.
I can be cute, silly, flirtatious, or what I would call "angelic," for want of a better word. All these words make me blush, sitting here, but I experience some version of them when out as a woman.
To get away from what you're describing, I really do try to integrate them into male life. It's not effortless there, and only an older man who's willing to be seen as quirky can even began to do this! Some of these qualities seem to have no male equivalent at all, that I can find. Of course, we're coming full circle here; that's why I began going out as a woman in the first place.
It's tempting to use girlmode more and more, since it appears to be less stressful. That's a slippery slope. I know for me, I would like to improve my presentation if I'm going out more, and that means considering facial surgery and yes, breast growth.
I really stay away from any predictions about how I'll handle this in the future. I couldn't have imagined what I just wrote here, ten years ago.
At present, I value your views and observations as a TG woman, while I keep living the dual lives.
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Hi girls,
I have never worn a breastform and don't have any bra's. Maybe it is just laziness but I just don't feel that part.
I feel the same about this as transitioning. If someone could wave thier magic wand and I could have breasts, I would do it, but the health risks and potential long term consequences are more than I would pay to get them.
Before I supressed Elizabeth, now It is almost as if I am supressing my male personna. I don't feel like it is there and needs to get out, I feel like it is there, and I don't want it to come out. I like being Elizabeth.
Does anyone out there understand this?
Love always,
Elizabeth
I have never worn a breastform and don't have any bra's. Maybe it is just laziness but I just don't feel that part.
I feel the same about this as transitioning. If someone could wave thier magic wand and I could have breasts, I would do it, but the health risks and potential long term consequences are more than I would pay to get them.
This is totally me right now. I am dressed all the time now. And it is not a coincedence that this is also one of the most stressful times of my life. Elizabeth has saved my life more than once. She is in control because she don't take life so seriously. My blood pressure is lower when I am dressed. And quite frankly with my wife gone, and not working, I really don't have a need for my male personna. He is too serious, and gets depressed too easily. In a way I am almost doing the opposite of what I was doing before.Sally wrote:
A lot of people seem to feel they are two different people in one. Their female side is the colorful fun side and the male side is the serious more sedate grey side and as time goes on they seem to want to spend more time on the female side, especially when under any stress or experiencing any difficulties in their life. They find that SHE is more enjoyable, colourful and interactive, SHE wants to interact with others and share HER pleasure, whereas HE takes life more serious, is quiet and retiring and not spontaneous as SHE is.
Before I supressed Elizabeth, now It is almost as if I am supressing my male personna. I don't feel like it is there and needs to get out, I feel like it is there, and I don't want it to come out. I like being Elizabeth.
Does anyone out there understand this?
Love always,
Elizabeth
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Of course we understand, Elizabeth.
I lead somewhat of a double life. When I am working away from home Ginny can come out from six to six and I feel totally relaxed, so much so that I often forget how she is dressed.
When I am home with the family she is repressed and I feel depressed and tense. Yes this does seem to get worse as you get older. Maybe it's because as you get older you realise that there is nothing evil about dressing and you can accept it more easily without that internal rebellion (derived from your upbringing) constantly trying to spoil it for you all the time.
love you all,
I lead somewhat of a double life. When I am working away from home Ginny can come out from six to six and I feel totally relaxed, so much so that I often forget how she is dressed.
When I am home with the family she is repressed and I feel depressed and tense. Yes this does seem to get worse as you get older. Maybe it's because as you get older you realise that there is nothing evil about dressing and you can accept it more easily without that internal rebellion (derived from your upbringing) constantly trying to spoil it for you all the time.
love you all,
Ginny
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Hi Elizabeth--
I do think that I understand. About six months after my femme self came through, I was having a hard time living male. The femme self had the ease and she generally got along with people better than "I" did. She also had more ambition; whatever "she" needed got done quickly.
I realized that if I didn't want to start moving away from my male self entirely, I was going to have to bring him up to speed to match the woman side of me. She raised the bar high, and I was either going to have to live more fulltime female, or else integrate her qualities into the guy.
She forced me to "kick-start" the male side again. He was sinking into a mid-life slump.
There's no right answer here. I'm glad I'm still living both lives, but I can't say that at some point I won't start living more and more female.
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I do think that I understand. About six months after my femme self came through, I was having a hard time living male. The femme self had the ease and she generally got along with people better than "I" did. She also had more ambition; whatever "she" needed got done quickly.
I realized that if I didn't want to start moving away from my male self entirely, I was going to have to bring him up to speed to match the woman side of me. She raised the bar high, and I was either going to have to live more fulltime female, or else integrate her qualities into the guy.
She forced me to "kick-start" the male side again. He was sinking into a mid-life slump.
There's no right answer here. I'm glad I'm still living both lives, but I can't say that at some point I won't start living more and more female.
A
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Hi Elizabeth,Elizabeth wrote:Hi girls,
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Before I supressed Elizabeth, now It is almost as if I am supressing my male personna. I don't feel like it is there and needs to get out, I feel like it is there, and I don't want it to come out. I like being Elizabeth.
Does anyone out there understand this?
Love always,
Elizabeth
Yes I lived through it. Not that I'm over anything. Things change month to month, but yes I do understand.
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HI girls,
The really great thing about this place is having people who have first hand experience. Before I had to feel everything alone and just think I was a freak. Now I have all my sisters here who tell me how they feel, and I can tell you, it makes me feel like I have a family.
You all are the greatest, and thankyou for sharing your lives, experiences, and love with me. You don't know how it helps me cope.
Love always,
Elizabeth
The really great thing about this place is having people who have first hand experience. Before I had to feel everything alone and just think I was a freak. Now I have all my sisters here who tell me how they feel, and I can tell you, it makes me feel like I have a family.
You all are the greatest, and thankyou for sharing your lives, experiences, and love with me. You don't know how it helps me cope.
Love always,
Elizabeth
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no i wouldt not grow or get breasts
couse i'm feeling good as a man to
I like to get a beer with the guys or go to a soccer match and act like a hooligan hahaha
so implants or hormones are no option for me i'm happy crossdressing
couse i'm feeling good as a man to
I like to get a beer with the guys or go to a soccer match and act like a hooligan hahaha
so implants or hormones are no option for me i'm happy crossdressing
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Would I consider growning breasts?
I gotta say YES YES YES!!
In fact, my wife and I have talked about this quite a bit.
Sue is for it, but "not too big" Bcup , no bigger.
So I am working up to finding a doc. around Reno, who I can go to
to see all about it.
Who know's, I might yet. And I dont think there will ever be a problem
with "hiding" them. I am who I am and if others cant accept me, well then thats thier problem, not mine.
Hugs Connie
In fact, my wife and I have talked about this quite a bit.
Sue is for it, but "not too big" Bcup , no bigger.
So I am working up to finding a doc. around Reno, who I can go to
to see all about it.
Who know's, I might yet. And I dont think there will ever be a problem
with "hiding" them. I am who I am and if others cant accept me, well then thats thier problem, not mine.
Hugs Connie
Hugs, Connie Lynn
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Well, if you go the hormone route, both of you need to be aware that you will grow what you will grow. There is no picking and choosing here.
There isn't much of a chance of a large cup due to post adulthood begining. Also, you should look (discretely of course! heh) at your direct female relatives. You will proably end up slightly smaller than them, or much smaller depending on your genetics.
If you try to stop growing them before they are complete after 2 to 3 years then you stand a chance of having mis-shapen breasts. 8-( Once you start, keep at it till they stop growing, THEN you can go adjust them by adding or removing via sugurey, or adding only via breast form enhancers.
Unfortunatly I couldn't locate the pages that I had found in the past via google. but here is a google cached page as relating to m2f hormone therapy.
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:mi ... nner&hl=en
Don't get disapointed if they end up small, and don't get upset if they DO end up being big-mommas.
Nature just set you up to grow em that size if you had the mormones. 
There isn't much of a chance of a large cup due to post adulthood begining. Also, you should look (discretely of course! heh) at your direct female relatives. You will proably end up slightly smaller than them, or much smaller depending on your genetics.
If you try to stop growing them before they are complete after 2 to 3 years then you stand a chance of having mis-shapen breasts. 8-( Once you start, keep at it till they stop growing, THEN you can go adjust them by adding or removing via sugurey, or adding only via breast form enhancers.
Unfortunatly I couldn't locate the pages that I had found in the past via google. but here is a google cached page as relating to m2f hormone therapy.
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:mi ... nner&hl=en
Don't get disapointed if they end up small, and don't get upset if they DO end up being big-mommas.
Nature just set you up to grow em that size if you had the mormones. Sig? What sig?
OH! THIS Sig!
OH! THIS Sig!
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Growing Breasts
Hi Ladies,
Hmm...Would I grow breasts if I could? Yes! But not too big. I'd love to fill an real A cup for a 42 bra.
Patty
Hmm...Would I grow breasts if I could? Yes! But not too big. I'd love to fill an real A cup for a 42 bra.
Patty