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Kersten Lee wrote: Guess what? I thought and did hurt and abuse myself twice two weeks ago. I fell into my pattern of self hate and the thoughts that I deserve and need punishment (...) I don't want to kill myself but I am tired and want to give up (...)
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Kersten,
(Everybody else go have a coffee break because I know most if not all of you have no interest in what I have to say here to Kersten ... I'm just whispering this to Kersten because I dislike PMs)
go see the damn movie on a BIG screen and never mind what anybody else says ... and go to the bathroom before the movie starts
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Saturday morning was one of the best wakeups I have had in a long, long time. I had planned on sleeping in my cami-jamas, full makeup and wig but the wig was smoky (neither of us smoke) so I took it off. I also just wore the pajama bottoms but I left on the makeup and nails. I diodn't want to push it too far. When I woke up I saw my hand with the polished nails. I felt a rush of contentment, satisfaction, fulfillment. I was so happy.

After enjoying this special moment for a while I got up and went to the bathroom. On the floor were me heels from the night before. My skirt and top were laid out too as was the pantyhose I wore. I didn't have to hide them. For the first time I felt like the whole me was living in my house. Just as my wife might leave her clothes out from the day before, or I my guy clothes, I had left my girl clothes and they were a reminder of my night out. There would be no coldness from my wife, no noticable irritation. This was just me and her living as we are and it was no big deal.

I showered and removed my makeup. My toenails stayed polished. We were going to NIU to see my son for parent's weekend.

I put away my shoes and clothes then I picked up the wig. Yeah, it was smoky. I filled the sink with water and added wig cleaner. All the while my wife slept. I had no fear of discovery, no excuse making going on in my head, I was relaxed and just being myself. After I washed and conditioned the wig I was drying it when she got up. We talked a bit and she went to the kid's bathroom. She came back and we talked some more as I was putting away my makeup and doing some cleaning up. I thanked her for her company last night and told her how much I enjoyed being with her then. She smiled.

Later I thought if the wig was smoky, what about the clothes? I pulled them out of the closet. Both the top ans skirt were gentle wash and hang dry. So I put them and some other things in the wash. When they were done I took them out and hung the skirt on a hanger and laid out the top to dry in the laundry room. My wife was in and out of there as I did this. Again, no big deal.

We went to NIU. We brought him two pizzas (the pizza there "sucks" he said). While in his room he and I talked a lot, no tension in his face. He could look at me and laugh and smile. The ice had melted. We took him out to get things and then went grocery shopping. He told us he was being encouraged to enter a Greek Physique contest by his frat bothers and they thought he had a chance at winning and no freshman had ever won. I could see pride in his face. He talked about the diet and how it would take two months and how pizza would be out. It was just like old times.

On the way home my wife commented on how he and I talked so much and how he seemed to be so relaxed with me. She was obviously pleased. I told her I had to show him his discovery had not changed me. It took a while but I think he is now realizing that. I'm still the same dad, I just like to do something a little out of the ordinary.

Having been out the night before and all that happened prior left me with a sense of fulfillment and contentment I haven't had for some time. I was relaxed and happy and no nagging thoughts were bringing me down.

I don't know how long this will last, maybe it's permanent, maybe not. I'll enjoy it until the I hit the next iceburg. Then I'll rush to repair the hull and try to keep the ship afloat. Until then, it's smooth sailing.

Now I have to iron and hang up my skirt and top. :)

Julie
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Post by Terri(SO) »

Hey Julie,
Maybe this is a no-brainer for you but . . .

Please show as much care for your boy clothes AND your wife's clothes as you do for your own special wardrobe. @->->-
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Hi Julie M.,

You gave us such happy news! You and I know there will be more ups and downs. You handled things responsibly in my opinion. Marias has a good thought also. I haven't reached your level yet. I am going to look to you as another role model for me!

Kersten

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Ok, Ok, I'll do it!

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MariasGirl(SO) wrote:Hey Julie,
Maybe this is a no-brainer for you but . . .

Please show as much care for your boy clothes AND your wife's clothes as you do for your own special wardrobe. @->->-
Clothes are just things but my wife and family are what really matters. It is they who I want to treat specially.

I have told my wife several times how much I enjoyed our time together. I told her what I felt was that she accepted the whole me and not just part of me and that is what matters most. I hope this can turn things around and I know there's a lot of work ahead but I intend to do all I can to keep this headed in a positive direction. I just hope I don't get too down if things turn again. That will be the true test for me.
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Kersten Lee wrote:Hi Julie M.,

You gave us such happy news! You and I know there will be more ups and downs. You handled things responsibly in my opinion. Marias has a good thought also. I haven't reached your level yet. I am going to look to you as another role model for me!

Kersten
Kersten,

I can't tell you how many times things you've written have helped me get my head on straight. Your wisdom and perspective have put my thinking back on the right track countless times. So I need to thank you for being a role model for me.

Julie
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Julie wrote:
"Clothes are just things but my wife and family are what really matters. It is they who I want to treat specially."

Hi again Julie,
Of course the above is true. I read that through all of your postings here.

What I was trying to say was that I read in your post how much care you were taking with the wig, make-up and your girl clothes to keep them perfect. My point is that if you take that much care with those things (yes, they are just things but obviously your special things), you should also do the same for all the rest of those things that the two of you share responsibility for. (Would you gently hand wash your wife's blouse for her if it smelled of smoke?). Just a thought.
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MariasGirl(SO) wrote:Would you gently hand wash your wife's blouse for her if it smelled of smoke?
Of course!

What happened Saturday morning was a first, washing and ironing my clothes from the night before and washing and conditioning my wig. It was a first because I did it while my wife was home. I usually just throw the clothes in the wash and hang them up. I rarely iron them even though they could use it.

That I could do that knowing my wife was okay with it is what made the day so special. For too long I have felt she doesn't accept all of me, only part of me and that hurts. After sitting there with me while I was putting on my makeup, helping me along the way, watching me dress, I felt like she accepted me totally. And that was a wonderful feeling.

I don't know if you have ever lived with someone who rejects part of who you are but that is a painful expereince. You love them but they only love part of you.

I hope this is an indication of where we are headed, I think it is. Having someone I love accept me wholly is simply uplifting and magical. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Hi Julie,

I think you point out something that can be very wonderful about staying with your spouse while they go through a growth with understanding who you are. A marriage that works this out can be a wonderful addition to one's everyday life. An accepting spouse will take you to the mountain top, but it will take the time, patience, wisdom that Julie is using to it's maximum potential if she's not accepting day one.

I feel you and your wife are making all the right moves. You've gone to counseling, you've had knock down drag out discussions, you've also had love and open moments. A woman who doesn't understand what CD'ing is and being told early is hard enough. A gal who's told later and stays is a star for remembering that you're her husband and not some "thing".

My wife did not accept this AT ALL when I told her. Zippy, nada, zero. Now there are times when she comes home late and goes, "Oh.. you're not dressed." and pouts. lol #-o I don't get it, but I'll take it. :) It's not easy to work out (CD'ing with a mate who's not accepting right at the beginning), but patience and time pays HUGE dividends. I applaud Julie for the example she's setting.

The initial acceptance of self (TG'd or not) usually means that we'll shun anyone who doesn't accept us fully. This is just a phase, but if not managed with patience and wisdom I've noticed we cause just as many of the breakups as we see that we don't cause. (hope that made sense). In that initial acceptance, which I've said lasts at least a year, we shouldn't be making any decisions about how we are going to live (if you're married, engaged, or dating). A year is not enough time for an SO to get their arms around who we are. A year is way too short. In that year (and it could be even more) we tend to go to extremes with what we want. I think it's because we've finally accepted that this repression thing bites and since we're out, no one is going to tell us how to live in our house. That's super unfair. That's just one of the many phases we go through, but it's the strongest and usually can lead to premature actions.

So back to you Julie. I think you're managing this whole thing beautifully and I totally respect your wisdom with what you're doing in your day to day life. I love that you're compromising. That's one of the biggest parts of marriage and just because we are given this gift of gender freedom doesn't mean that we can ignore that we're in a marriage which means compromise must still be a major part of our everyday lives. When you add in children, well that becomes an even bigger set of compromises. I think that Julie is a poster child for patience and wisdom with a wife who's just learning to understand and loves you enough to try to see how things can work out.

You're beautiful Julie!!! :)
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Sunday night when I went to bed I put on my cami-jamas. I sleep so much more peacefully when I wear them. Last night I planned on doing the same. Then I thought, "What about my wife?" At first I sort of resented the idea I couldn't or shouldn't wear them. I wanted to feel that inner peace again. Then I thought, "When does she get the man she married?"

I had to think from her point of view before I realized compromise is necessary.

Beauty, you said it well
I love that you're compromising. That's one of the biggest parts of marriage and just because we are given this gift of gender freedom doesn't mean that we can ignore that we're in a marriage which means compromise must still be a major part of our everyday lives.
And as you pointed out we tend to push people away in our quest to find our freedom. We have to learn to create an environment where they will want to be with us and not feel threatened.

I am keeping on my toes and trying not to fall into any bad habits. I want this to continue but I know it will take a lot of hard work, most of it on my part. But that's okay, if it will become what I think it will, it should be well worth it.

Julie
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Beauty,

Thanks for the wise words for all of us.

Kersten
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Julie,

You just keep hanging in there.

Kersten
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