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Hi Carolynn,

Thanks for your kind words. (And thanks also to Anne, by the way.) I actually hesitated for a while before clicking on that "submit" button, thinking "This is too open, this is too much info." But then I figured that, if there's even just one sentence in there that can be of some use to Curly (or anyone else, for that matter), I have to put it out there. After all, this is a main raison d'être of this forum, no? to promote understanding through communication? I had no choice (especially having written the darn thing already! :wink: ). I just hope Curly gets around to reading these posts (Dixie brings up some interesting points also).

To answer your question, Carolynn, I was in my mid-20s, almost twenty years ago now, when my world came crashing down on me. I'd always struggled with depression and suicidal tendencies. I was about eight or nine years old when I first started toying with the idea of taking my own life. I kid you not. At the age of 26, after a string of insanely depressing months (dotted with increasingly frequent psychotic fugue states, or "blackouts") I acted out and tried to kill myself. The only thing I now remember of that particular event was that there was some bleeding and some wandering in the snow going on--as though I weren't even there. A friend found me and brought me to the hospital.
In the weeks that followed, I started taking a sledgehammer to the walls around me. I no longer wanted to be entombed in my own skull. I went back to university. Devoured any and all material relating to matters of the human mind. Reached out to people. And, most importantly, started noticing all the awe-inspiring beauty around me. And found my heart had become like a feather. I've never looked back. I don't think I could if I wanted to. :)

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Thank you so much for your replies, I'm blown away by all of them, I feel so much better now, and have a much clearer understanding!
Ed reassurred me about what you said, Dixie, that I am number one, that it was my femininity that attracted him to me, and that the cross-dressing is going to be so much better now he has someone to share it with, it's not something that excludes me anymore, now I know about it. You are right in saying that his feminine side is what attracted me to him. I knew that there was something very special and very unlike other men, about him. He is so much more in tune with what is going on in my head, and I could never work out why till now!
I am really sorry that you haven't been able to work things out with your wife, she is missing so much of you, I wish I had an answer for you, but, sadly, I don't.
CJ, you have really helped me see things clearer, and go 'oh yeah why didn't I think of that'! We are all narcissistic at times, and that is a healthy thing, we cannot love others if we cannot love ourselves first. You made me think, yeah I constantly look in a mirror if my hair has gone well, or I've done my makeup different, and I don't think I'm loving myself at the exclusion of Ed, I'm hoping he's looking at me at thinking that I look good also!
I can also relate to you being inner-directed. I grew up very inner-directed, shutting other people out, and can still slip into that mode if I'm not careful. In fact this is where Ed is so good for me, he doesn't allow me to slip back into isolation, he has really brought me out of myself and
encouraged me to be more open and affectionate, something I have always had trouble with. Like you say CJ, we are humans, first and foremost!
Carolynn, I would so much hate Ed to be obssessed with golf, that is not something I could even try to understand or get involved in, if I had to choose for Ed to be a golf nut or a crossdresser, CDing would win hands down! I count myself lucky, I have a partner who has the same interests as me- clothes, makeup, so much more fun than golf, and can we have fun in the bedroom with golf? I don't think so!!!
All your replies have really helped me, you are a great bunch of people, I feel comfortable to ask or say what I want without fear of being put down,
thanks again,
Love, Curly x :) :) :)
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I am really, really in awe of all of you who have posted on this thread lately. Curly, Dixie, and Carolynn (esp. Carolynn)--roses to all of you!

But especially CJ!!!! WOW!!! You have soooo much heart, such emotional courage, and you communicate it soooooo well!

I confess reading through the thread, my thoughts were cynical till the end. "Will Curly buy it, even though it's the truth?" :oops:

And you did, Curly! That kinda restores my faith in things, if that makes any sense.

What I might add, then, is relatively minor, just (my own) personal experiences.

Somebody once told me that sexuality is a gift. When you're in a relationship, it is a gift to be shared. Some gifts are easily appreciated, and quickly shared. Other gifts take longer to develop appreciation.

While crossdressers have no real control over our fascination with the feminine, we have a great deal of control over shaping, harnessing, and directing that fascination. It won't go away, but together with a loving, accepting SO, we can find ways to make it fun for her too. It can be a contribution to a relationship.

The same is true with finding ourselves attractive. That can rise above mere narcissism and auto-eroticism into, for example, a sexual magnetism and confidence directed to a loving partner. Two people who are into each other's beauty can have a lot of fun in bed!
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Hi Rikki,

>Two people who are into each other's beauty can have a lot of fun in bed!<

Amen to that, Rikki! Amen to that. I couldn't agree more. Thanks also for the kind words. The truth is, I've been struggling with some of this stuff for too long now not to want to share it and compare my own experience of being a crossdresser with my sisters out there. Also, the input from the women in our lives is so crucial... to the happiness of all. I was so glad when Curly pulled the matter into the light. It needs addressing. Thanks again, Curly! :wink:

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I am just overwhelmed by the exchanges on this thread. Everyone is so honest and so articulate, so willing to share things of themselves, I'm not sure what I can add.
Curly, I will say that my wife has my complete love and devotion and passion, regardless of this now so familiar need--and it is a need--to express my own feminine self. I like to believe--and since I cannot take a detached view, it may be no more than self justification--but I like to believe that crossdressers/transgendered people--whatever the label--are somehow more in tune with genetic women than are many men, and that the women who love us do so in part because of that aspect of ourselves. It almost cannot be otherwise. I don't know Ed, of course, but I do know that this drive within him is no reflection of his love for you.
My own situation is much like Dixie's, and it is troubling and forever a source of sadness to me that while my wife loves and accepts much about me that I consider an expression of my feminine self, she cannot deal with the crossdressing. I envy the sisters on this forum who have SOs like Curly and Lefty and Kay who are at the very least willing to try. At the same time, I understand how utterly difficult it must be for my wife. Her reactions are familiar to all of us, I suspect. Are you gay? Do you want to be a woman? What does this say about me? It's so hard to reassure someone that what is part of you is in no way a negative reflection on her.
Oh, there's so much to respond to in this thread, I'm not sure where to begin. I knew I'd found something special a few weeks ago when I first arrived here, but had no idea about the caring and compassion and intelligence I'd find.
Like many of you, my own feelings when I dress are multifaceted and vary from day to day. Do I like to see my feminine self in the mirror? Yes, absolutely. Is it erotic? Sometimes, but less so as time goes by. Does it feel good? It feels right, somehow.
My own experience is that I've always tried to find for the appearance of an attractive woman. Miniskirts when I was younger, longer skirts now and so on. If I could I could exorcise that part of myself (and I cannot--believe me, I've tried), I don't think I would. I like my feminine self at least as much as my masculine self. And I love my wife, and I believe she loves me, in her case despite her difficulties in coping with my need to crossdress.
But I'm not adding much to what's already been said. Carolynn and Dixie and Lefty and Alexandra and Rikki and Curly, and everyone, I'm just in awe of how articulate everyone has been.
And dear, sweet, Christina, such soul baring honesty and truth about your journey is just so incredible--you've touched my heart.
I feel both humbled and so moved by what I've read here. I don't know what to say other than to say just that.

Love and admiration and hugs,

Sara
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Post by LeftyRainbow(SO) »

Hey Tina,
I'm flattered that you would ask for advice from me and the other SO's.
The truth is you are not going to find an exact answer in a magazine.

EXPERIMENT
EXPERIMENT
EXPERIMENT

Find out what looks good on you.
Sure you can use any books and magzines for ideas but experimenting on your eyes,your lips,your cheeks, your facial tones etc. is the only way to decide what looks best on you.

If your wife or SO is willing you two can experiment together.
You can give each other makeovers for fun if she would like to.

Good Luck and let us know sweetie!

Lefty :wink:

P.S.-I have been following this thread in regards to what everyone has written about dressing up and this is the part that always puzzled me about my own views on CDing, I don't think there is anything wrong with being turned on by how attractive you think you look. I feel that women do this sometimes without even realizing it or giving it much thought and surely non CDing men do it when they try hard enough (giggle :wink: ) so why can't CD's do it ?
I never thought it was a big deal.

Honestly ,the only thing that matters to me is that my SO and I are the only two people involved and in love and that we choose each other over anyone else in the world to be with, voluntarily. @@9@@
That's the most important thing to me.
I hope I'm not alone in this way of thinking. :-k
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Post by LeftyRainbow(SO) »

Tina,

Don't worry about mocking anyone just do what's best for you and be yourself.

Remember to use a sponge when applying foundation...

It's O.K. to use whatever colors you'd like, the hue of the color is what's important and it should compliment your skintones ....

Blush should be applied between the middle of your ear and the begining of your eye (but well blended) as a guidline if you don't have distinctive cheekbones....

You can use a cotton swab as a blender/eraser for any "mistakes" especially around the eyes....

It's actually better to use a lip brush to apply lipstick because it uses less product and looks more natural...


Good Luck with things and hopefully we might be lucky enough to see your picture posted here soon :wink:

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So Lefty, how did I do?

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Post by Alexandra »

seriously . . .

a question for the SOs . . .

In return for your acceptance and understanding of our TGness and CDing . . . what would you like from US? (besides total honesty!)
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LOL.....Alexandra!

It looks about right!


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Post by LeftyRainbow(SO) »

Personally, I am not looking for total honesty...(keep the little white lies you would like to hear yourself.... like how great I look even while pregnant..lol)Just Kidding

Seriously, treat me with the same RESPECT and HONESTY that you would like to recieve.

Understanding is good too, :wink:

( Of course this works both ways..everyPERSON in a relationship is entitled to the above IMO, both CD/TG and WIVES/SO/GG's)

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Alexandra wrote:So Lefty, how did I do?

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