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Good "evening in the life" article on CDing

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Ah the wonders of search engines... Was looking for something else and ran across a good (and lengthy) article by a reporter for a gay magazine who went out en femme with a local t-girl group. http://www.swervemedia.org/issues/swerve-2002-10.pdf (FYI, it's a 3.8 MB file, the story starts on page 12.)

The reporter gives a blow-by-blow account of the steps needed to look femme (the guy was even willing to shave his goatee, arms and legs) and gets help with a makeover -- although the poor dear did end up looking like one of those early photos we don't show anyone. :wink:

He observes: "A successful transformation involves more than slapping on powder and lipstick, throwing on a dress, and talking in a falsetto. As a creative art form, cross-dressing can be as demanding and expressive as painting or sculpting, singing or acting."

What's more interesting is his reaction to going out en femme -- even dealing with a shocked SO. ("My partner, who had no idea what I'm up to, runs around the apartment with his hands over his face, "I'm dating a drag queen! I'm dating a drag queen!") :shock:

He runs into someone he knows and cops out with the excuse that he's researching a story. "Dolly is disappointed. She wants to exist for her own sake, not as background material for work." But pretty soon his inner girl asserts herself. "Monitoring myself stops, and being her kicks in. What felt awkward and strange is swiftly becoming natural…as long as the walk isn't too far.... Around me, [the other CDs] are dancing, posing for the camera, laughing, and talking: a group of friends out for an evening together; nothing more, nothing less"

He also draws an interesting analogy to value of getting out. "This may also be the easiest for gays and lesbians to understand. It is the joy of sharing and expressing parts of your sexuality and gender that extend out of what mainstream society would call the norm with others who accept and appreciate instead of judging or tolerating. Spending all that time and energy cultivating a look and nuturing your feminine or masculine qualities to new height, only to sit in your living room, shades drawn, watching TV or dancing alone to the stereo does not produces the same elation as sharing the experience with friends, family and lovers. It is a feeling not so different from loving another, but being too afraid of what people might think to share that love."

And at the end of the night, he's reluctant to put his femme self away. "Watching the makeup run down the drain, a human being dissolves and washes away. Dolly was the physical manifestation of my feminine side that until now never had the chance to strut her stuff. Now that we've met, there is no way to banish her to those inner regions again. Two parts of my personality have been integrated in an inventive, gentle way, leaving me more whole, more complete, and better off. Knowing this, the question is no longer 'why do some people crossdress?' The question is 'why don't more people crossdress?'

"It has been a few weeks since my outing with Masquerade....Do I feel any desire to resurrect Dolly? In all honesty, I do at times. In the shower when I am shaving, there is a temptation to move the razor down to my shins and try again. But it passes, and I know that without the dedication and resources to treat Dolly like the lady she is, I probably won't bring her back any time soon. Probably."

Hmmm. :wink:
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Hi Darla,

Cool! Thanks for the summary! :) That was very, very cool. :) =D>

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What a beautiful sentiment and wonderfully expressed, though not quite complete as a lot of us know:"...watching the make up run down the drain, a human being dissolved and washes away" then he goes on to say a physical manifestation banished -yes, the outward appearance may be gone but for those of us who are able to internalize our femininity and can integrate the two aspects, male and female we continue with our "gift" fully intact, though not currently expressing the outward physical presentation.
Thanks so much for providing us with this - yes I did tear up while reading it!!!
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Now that we've met, there is no way to banish her to those inner regions again. Two parts of my personality have been integrated in an inventive, gentle way, leaving me more whole, more complete, and better off.
Nice sentiment, but I wonder why he fights the desire to CD again, regardless of the dedication and resources?
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Donna, what I took from the article was that first he was gay, his SO was gay and whether or not in jest, his partner was "running around" yelling , "Drag Queen, Drag Queen." Our own wives (GG's) can never quite get their minds around "us." Just imagine ( I can't, really get my mind to go there) but a gay male wanting to dress as a woman???? Think about it!! Got to be (to me anyway) the absolutely fartherest thing from his mind, wouldn't you think. Not being gay myself, I still can not fathom that desire in a gay male! :-k :-k
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Virginia beat me to mentioning the societal pressure we all face -- plus some of the specific pressures he might face being a gay man. Imagine the reaction he'd get from his boyfriend and peers if he'd decided he liked it some much he was going to start doing it regularly.

Plus, he may feel that he can't get into being femme unless he's completely in character, hence his comments about not having the dedication to do it (remember that as a first-timer he spent a lot of prep time and probably doesn't realize he'd get faster at it).

More to the point, I suspect he regards it more like others type of character building experiences -- something you're glad you've done, but don't necessarily have an burning desire to do again even if you'd enjoy it.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he cross-dresses again for some special occasion like Halloween.
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Hi,

Virginia we have gay crossdressers on this forum. You very clearly have indicated in your last post that you don't get gays having feelings for gays, you can't understand gay feelings, not that there's anything wrong with it, but the last thing you'd ever be is gay. I got that uber loud and clear. You are 100% a hetero guy who likes to wear women's lingerie, clothing, shoes, makeup and other attire only. I didn't understand why you had to over emphasize it, but we do what we do and that's what makes us unique.
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What I can't understand in your post is what's so puzzling about a gay crossdresser? Or where you just saying it's puzzling how a gay crossdresser's SO can't get his mates ability to understand why his mate is a crossdresser?

Now, before you respond I get that you're not gay, never have been gay, and can't even understand gay feelings. So you don't have to include that in the post. I was just asking if you don't understand it's the part about being a gay crossdresser or the gay crossdresser's SO that's have a hard time getting a grip on his lover's desire to be a crossdresser? :-k

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Hi all,

How far does this wanting to be a woman go? It does not appear all that difficult for me to envision some of us wanting to go all the way in wanting to be treated like and/or understand what it feels like to be female.

And for some it could include an activity that is considered as being gay. Some how I don’t have a problem understanding that at all, and being as that it is not an issue I have to deal with I don’t have a need to understand it beyond that.
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Beauty,
Thanks for replying! I don't know what I said that led you to believe that I did not understand gay feelings!??? :-k . My powerlifting training partner is a lesbian and she has found her soul mate and I have never seen two people so in love and happy with each other. I admit I can not sense the depth of their love for each other, but I can see it, sense it and for me, I love being present in it!!! You may not know how it makes me feel to see her soooooooo happy - finally! So I have to stingently disagree with you that I have left the impression that I do not understand gay and/or lesbians being in love with another human being. That, to me, is the ultimate happiness that one can achieve is to have to total, unwaivering love of another human being. and to be able to return the same. Like in physics, for every action there s an equal and opposite reaction, i.e., you love me unconditionally, I love you the same, unconditionally.
My point and lack of understanding is that are not gays attracted to one another because neither are of the female persuassion? So why would one member of the couple want to take on the aura of a female - yes I know usually one will the the dominate and one the submissive, but to present as a female, does that not defeat the whole purpose of the relationship - if so the relationship is a sham anyway and one or the other parties in the relationship is not truly gay but possibly "bi."
LET IT BE FOR THE RECORD - I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST GAYS AND/OR LESBIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of my best friends are and I would do anything with in my powers for them if asked! I have and will support ttheir causes in anyway I can.
That being said, yes I am a male hetersexual - basically "a guy in a dress" that is who I am, I am proud of who I am, I am proud that I have Virginia as part or all of me and I will defend that to the death!!!
So, I woud either appreciate your pointing out where I gave you or anyone the idea that I was either against gays and lesbians or that you retract your diatribe
finally, I still love you and all that you do for us!!
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Virginia wrote:Donna, what I took from the article was that first he was gay, his SO was gay and whether or not in jest, his partner was "running around" yelling , "Drag Queen, Drag Queen." Our own wives (GG's) can never quite get their minds around "us." Just imagine ( I can't, really get my mind to go there) but a gay male wanting to dress as a woman???? Think about it!! Got to be (to me anyway) the absolutely farthest thing from his mind, wouldn't you think. Not being gay myself, I still can not fathom that desire in a gay male! :-k :-k
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Actually, it doesn't matter whether the couple is gay or straight.

Think about it. A wife of straight couple has no gay feelings and is attracted to "the man" (although some GGs do look for a CD to marry or have a relationship with). The "man" however turns out to be a CD/TG. We, as CD's hope that our wives can accept our CDing. We hope our wives do not get turned off by it, and do not decide to break off the relationship just because we dress as women.

Is this not the same for one of the men in a gay relationship. Just change the term wife to SO, now think of the SO being a man, not a woman.

That is: An SO (man 1) of a gay couple is attracted to "the man (man 2)" who turns out to be a CD/TG. The CD hopes that his SO (man 1) can accept his CDing. He hopes his SO does not get turned off by it, and does not decide to break off the relationship just because he (CD) dresses as women.

His SO is no different than our SOs with regard to trying to come to terms with having a relationship with someone who, on occasion, looks like a person of the sex he (she) is not sexually attracted to.

So whether the couple is straight or gay, the SO's have the same issues to deal with. If you can understand those issues with regard to our wives, you should be able to understand them with regard to gay SOs, don't you think?
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Donna,
I am not gay I don't think you are gay, I am not Bi and I don't think you are Bi. The only point that I was making (and this is from my own perspective) is that all things being equal, a gay is a gay he is not bi nor hetero so if two gays are attracted to each other (I can only assume that because they are both men and only attracted to men) the it stands to reason that they would have no interest in the feminine persuasion. If one or the other were attracted to the feminine persuasion he would not be gay he would be Bi would he not? If he were Bi he is not gay and assuming he was gay then the desire to dress = CD would lead me to believe that he is, dare I say, not as gay as he thinks he is?? I don't want to over analize this and what I have said is just my opinion, i.e., perception if you will. Now I can understand a gay "drag queen." Beauty says we have gay crossdressers on this forum, so if you are out there - HELP US understand!
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Virginia wrote: The only point that I was making (and this is from my own perspective) is that all things being equal, a gay is a gay he is not bi nor hetero so if two gays are attracted to each other (I can only assume that because they are both men and only attracted to men) the it stands to reason that they would have no interest in the feminine persuasion. If one or the other were attracted to the feminine persuasion he would not be gay he would be Bi would he not?
No, a gay man wouldn't be bi unless he was attracted to women, he would still gay even if the man he was attracted to was a CDer.

Likewise, nor would a straight woman, unless she was attracted to women, be bi nor a lesbian just because she was attracted to a CDer.

I've often heard that there should be another "label" for those who are attracted to feminized men or crossdressers, but there are enough (too many?) labels already.
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