You wrote:I honestly want to ask you - have you never done the same? As a child or a teen, you've never taken an article from a sister's or mother's closet without her knowledge?
Loretta Previously wrote:I was a child who stole my mothers and my Aunties clothing. Some of it I returned. Some of it I destroyed. If it was still clean or if I could clean it, I returned it. But that does not take away from the fact that I stole it.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
Hi Beauty,
I wrote:
Do you call taking something with out the owners consent borrowing?
Then you wrote:
Yes. I was also a child who borrowed my mom's clothes. So though I don't condone wearing clothing that's not yours I can understand why she is.
I then wrote:So can I understand why she is and I can support that
I Also wrote:The only thing that I can not support in this situation is the fact that she referred to it as being borrowed.
You wrote:I just don't think that the action or even how the action is worded is such a highly punishable offense.
Hello!!!! No one is punishing anyone here. I simply presented my opinion. I think I have that right? You don't need the whole forum thinking the same way. I am not a puppet. Those who want to offer her another opinion are free to do that. And she is free to take what ever she wants to and leave the rest.......So Whats up Doc?
Lorretta Ann, I think what everyone is saying is, "Yes we hear you." which means you totally have a right to speak your mind. We just seem to collectively think, about this issue, your responses have been a bit out of bounds. Meaning we disagree with you, but we respect your opinion to disagree with us.
I think you know me well enough by now to know that I am not one to agree with the majority. Sorry but I just don't feel comfortable doing that. In fact the time that would happen is the time I would become very scared. I am not willing to sacrifice who I am just to please others. I have my own reasons for posting what I choose to post. And far more than not they are not understood here by some, as is the situation in this thread. And no I will not explain my reasons. And no I do not expect very many to understand. Nor do I want very many to understand.
By the way I am quite satisfied with the results I have received from posting as I did in this thread It has worked the way I had hoped it would.
Some how I don't see posts that tell me that I am wrong as being respectful. I find it hard to believe what this thread has turned into over an opinion being expressed that may be wrong.
Wrong opinions are expressed here all the time. After all we are all imperfect human beings are we not.
There is one particular poster in this thread who in my opinion makes major errors in the way she communicates, but I don't lay it all out for her (pointing out where her wrongs are,) as she has tried to do (to me) in this thread. As long as she continues to post like that there will continue to be some friction between us, simply because I have not come to her seeking help. If she wants to simply post her opinions and see if that challenges me that is quite another thing.
I simply state my opinions as I see them and let that be enough, Apparently that challenges her.
Too bad I didn't get here before you "left". Alas, I'll speak nonetheless.
And to do so, I'll say I doubt very much this all happened over the one misused word "borrowed."
Note: a great deal of people sue the word borrow as a euphism for "borrow without consent" or, as you proved Webster would like to say "to steal."
Now, if we wanna get on the topic of stealing:
Society stole our write to dress how we want to.
People in general steal our free will and freedom of expression.
Amy's parents are stealing the right to dress as is pleasing for no tangible reason.
And you began this thread, most respectfully, with quote borrowed in all caps followed in large font with a few question marks for flourish.
Seeing as I don't want another senior to my years locking me in a barrel and shooting me, I'll leave it at that. But if you're not prepared to stand firm to an opinion, don't state it in the first place, let alone assault someone with it.
Well the unexpected can always happen. This begs a response. I intend it to be the last one in this thread.
Becca,
You wrote:But if you're not prepared to stand firm to an opinion, don't state it in the first place
. So sorry for any misunderstanding. But I thought I made it quite clear that I stood behind what I said.... every word of it.
Loretta wrote:You are free to interpret that any way you like. And so am I. And I have (rightly or wrongly) interpreted that as being extremely close to denial. I think that is my right? That is my contribution to this thread, and I stand by it.
Don't be surprised if there is no later to you (from me) for some time to come. Please forgive me for misreading you? Blaming the world is something I am no longer willing to take part in.
I will. You are right, you misinterpretted me. The whole stand firm thing (which is horribly cliched, and thus I apologize) was mean in an allusion to the fact that you were ditching the thread. So sorry.
Yes. I totally know you agree when you agree and you disagree when you disagree. You don't care if it's the majority or not. I think I'm the same and I think a lot of gals here are the same too.
I've had my share of being the odd person out in threads too. So I know the feeling, eh. I would be in shock if you ever did something that wasn't the norm to you.
I love you for you. I'm glad you spoke up and stated your opinion. I think it's worth hearing and though I don't agree I respect your opinion nonethelss.
As CJ said, I'm pretty sure Amy is aware that it wasn't really borrowing. So can we put this dead horse to rest before CSI shows up. Rather than focusing on semantics, why not give Amy some advice on how to move forward.
Amy as others have said, it's better if you can talk with your Mom if you feel comfortable with it. Otherwise, I think she sent you a polite, but firm message that it's time to do your own shopping.
Lena
A dream? What is a dream, but a blueprint for courageous action.
Amy i know just how yoy feel, my mom found a pair of high heel shoes under my bed a little while ago and with me being 15 years old she thinks i going through some kind of phase, so i admited it to her about my crossdressing, and she seems fine with it for now.
Amy:
Donna T has the best advice... Talk to her about it. Trust that she knows and that she is now ready to handle the conversation. Being that it has been several days since the "event" you know that she has had time to think about the subject and to be prepared to answer your questions and to also ask you some very hard questions.
During the conversation, there is a managment technique when having diffuclt conversations called "Active Listing"
What this means is that when a question is asked the listerner praphases the question back to the person to ensure that you the listener have heard and understand the question.
For each question that she asks, give a good answer from your innerself. Do not wing it and if you do not know the answer, re active listen the question back to her to ensure that you understand the question and after acknowledgement, write the question on a piece of paper and tell her that you will answer the question when you have an appropriate answer. This will also afford you the opportunity to have several conversation with her about the subject.
It will also give both of you time to understand each other in a different light and also a different level of interaction.
Good luck
Rather than focusing on semantics, why not give Amy some advice on how to move forward.
