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She called me yesterday and tried to break the ice by saying that she saw some movie at blockbuster about the subject and thought about renting it. Of course with me being really tense about it that was actually a really bad thing to say. It didn't take that long before we were back on the subject though, and she was upset. She said that she'd have no problem with it LATER, but at the moment she was having trouble coping. She just said that now when she thinks about me, she just pictures me in a skirt. I made the mistake of laughing at that... she didn't have too many questions.. but it made me tense that she didn't have anything to ask me, so I started to dig into it for her. She of course had trouble thinking that I was still the MAN that would protect her, be there for her, and if need be even die for her. She also couldn't cuddle with the stuffie I gave her, and couldn't wear my necklace..

Today I called her full of energy. I didn't even think about it (like normal) and had just come back from work, so I was excited. She seemed to be much better today, as she was happy to talk to me and was working on our anniversary gift... only while she was doing it she was saying some demeaning things and making fun of me. I expressed a lot of self control and just let her say her piece. I then explained to her that whatever she said was a pathetic lie, and despite my activites I am still a strong and responsible man. After some more talking she apologized and said she was mixed up in this and some personal issues that I won't explain here. They're enough to where even I would be moody though, so I'm good.

It didn't take much longer after we were talking again... but she noticed that I wasn't down at all, I was happy. I was talking just like normal. I guess she finally understood that I was the same person. She's been great since then. It has been a while since we talked, but she said that she had problems but after thinking about it decided I was more important. Things are going well now. :)

Now... I still have to tell her WHY I do it. Well yesterday I told her that it wasn't for some other reason that she didnt know of. She knows that I'm not gay, and I told her that I didn't even consider SRS and never would. All I could say was that it was something that I enjoyed doing. I couldn't really explain why I liked to dress and look like a girl... it was just something that I couldn't figure. All I can say to help is that it isn't the clothes that make a man. If a man still holds his love and his dreams above all else... still considers other people above himself.... why is he less of a man because he sometimes wears women's clothes? I haven't been on that rant yet because it actually never occured to me until now. There are NOT two sides of me! There is only ME!! I am still the exact same person that I have ever been. The only difference is that there were times where I hid my feelings or likes, but on the surface and the inside there is only me. How do I explain that doing this is just part of being me? I can't translate my thoughts into words here!! :lol:

Oh well... any help would be accepted gratefully.
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OK Darth, Some things to ponder. And don't forget to have what you want to say written down. That will avoid going off topic and rambling. Also, don't bring it up every time you talk to her. If she's still coming to visit, talk about it then.


Many of us do not know why we do this. Research is ongoing. It is not a medical condition than can fixed. If it were it might be curable, but no one is looking for a cure because no one believes it to be a curable medical condition.

Crossdressing has been going on for thousands of years, and in some cultures has been considered a third sex. For lack of a better term we call that "transgendered" (TG). Some of the American Indians, for example, respected the TG person, and some became the tribes Shaman.

I tend to agree with the ongoing research that points to a combination of genetics and hormones. That we are born this way.

During birth, all fetuses initially appear to be female. This is why it is impossible to tell the sex of a fetus in the early growth periods. At one point, the mother provides certain hormones to the fetus and these, along with the fetus' chromosomes, result in the fetus developing into looking like a boy or a girl.

Sometimes, something goes wrong in how the baby processes these hormones. Are you familiar with the term "Intersexed"?
An intersexual is a person (or individual of any unisexual species) who is born with genitalia and/or secondary sexual characteristics of indeterminate sex, or which combine features of both sexes. (The terms hermaphrodite and pseudohermaphrodite, which have been used in the past, are now considered pejorative and inaccurate and no longer used to refer to an intersexual person.) Sometimes the phrase "ambiguous genitalia" is used.
Take for example a fetus with XY chromosomes. One would expect this fetus to develop into a boy. However, maybe there is a problem with the androgen receptor located within the Xq11-12 area of the X chromosome such that when androgens are released the body is unable to process these hormones. The result is a child that looks like a girl and grows up to be a normal looking woman. Only, instead of a woman with XX chromosomes, she has XY chromosomes. This condition is known as CAIS( complete androgen insensitivity syndrome).

Now, if that can happen, who's to say that the same thing cannot happen to the human brain. After all, the brain is the largest sexual organ we have.
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She just offered to buy me a skirt for no reason at all! I thought she had a problem with this or something... but already she wants to buy me things. Going much better than I imagined!
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Good! Good! =D>

And the "going better" part is not that she wants to buy you things, it's that you can be who you are with her, that you don't feel you need to hide who you are from her. This is awesome, Darth! Come what may, I think you've made the right decision. Bravo!

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Thanks CJ. I think the best part is that she is actually HAPPY that I am being honest with her and with myself. That makes the difficulty telling her worth well more than a few more honesty points.
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Darth I am glad to hear that it is working out for you. You never know it might be a relationship that will last a long time. My sister that is a year younger then me married the person she was dating at 16 and they are still quite happy. She married him about 4 years ago.
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We've already planned and promised to each other, so if we don't stay together I would be disappointed.

I feel guilty that she wants to get me things... she'd have to buy too much and I can't stop her as I'm across the country! Also she has already spent a lot of money on me, and being a poor slob I've never been able to spoil her.
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This all seems to be going very quickly. It may not have anything to do with her, but telling her was the catalyst.

I feel so comfortable with this persona now. It was like putting just a drop of food coloring in boiling water. It didn't spread slowly, it practically exploded as soon as I came into contact with it. While I feel much happier like this, I'm kind of scared of the kind of consequences I will face at school. Either I will have to hide it completely, or I will be pushed around for the next year or two. I personally don't know which is worse. For how comfortable I have become with this, hiding it would be extremely difficult, but I don't want to be on the end that gets picked on and has to likely defend myself from the worst kind of people.

Another fear I'm getting from this does regard my loved one. I told her that this was something I had been supressing and could continue doing so, so we wouldn't have to deal with so much of the bad things out there. Right now I know I shouldn't have said that, I WANT to be like this most of the time, not wearing a mask. She is very accepting of me, but I'm not sure if that is because I said I could keep it hidden, or if it is because she can look past it completely.

Maybe I'm making too much of this?
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Hi all,

Darth,

Talk to her. Talk with her. Tell her that this is how you feel; tell her about your fears and anxieties. Ask her what her own thinking is on this issue. Aside from love, trust, respect, and friendship, healthy communication is the best way to make the relationship move forward. Give her the opportunity to be as emotionally honest with you as you've been with her. And, yes, be prepared for whatever it is she might feel. It might not necessarily be pleasant (and this possible "unpleasantness" is precisely what keeps so many CD's from being honest with their SO's; this is unfortunate as it forces CD's to be dishonest with themselves, as well).

School is a tough one. High school is an environment in which there's tremendous peer pressure (see Terri's thread on "Crossdressing and the workplace" for enlightening responses from CD'ing teachers on the school environment); there's pressure to conform "all dressed up" in a pressure to be an individual, to stand out from the crowd. There's a lot of bullying--psychological or otherwise. You sort of face a choice, here: do you give in and go with the flow (i.e., keep your crossdressing under wraps, so to speak)? Many here will say you probably should. Or do you more fully embrace who you are and try as best you can to deal with the emotional consequences? This can be a very tough (and sometimes dangerous) road (cf. Gwen Araujo or Brandon Tina, for instance).

The choice you make will depend on many different factors. Where are you in your crossdressing, Darth? Do you simply enjoy the occasional quasi-fetishistic underdressing? If so, there's no reason this knowledge needs to be public. Or, on the other hand, is your gender variance so compelling that you feel, strongly and unequivocally, that life would be good only if you could present as a woman? if you could pass in public? You'll need to address these issues.

Is there any adult at your school--an adult in a position of responsibility and authority--that you trust, Darth? A counsellor, perhaps, or a teacher... someone you know that you could turn to and that would stand in your corner should things turn hairy (or, rather, smooth-skinned)? What is your school's policy regarding harrassment and discrimination? What is its atmosphere, in general? Are your peers tolerant, as a rule? or is it the opposite?

Above all, you need to evaluate your own gutsiness and your own ability to handle the difficult emotional situations you're likely to encounter should you deliberately "out" yourself. I can tell you from experience that outing yourself can be extremely satisfying but it is never, ever easy to deal with the consequences. There's just no way I would've done it at school when I was your age. But, then, I was fifteen during the macho 70's when John Travolta's "Tony Manero" was every guy's ideal role model (and here I wanted to be Olivia Newton-John! :lol: ). I'm thinking (and hoping) that things are slightly different today. But I'm not sure. You need to feel this out for yourself.

One thing's for sure, though: if you go public with this, you also force your SO to go public as a CD's SO, as well. This is something you'll also need to discuss with her. My only recommendation (and, remember, Darth, I'm not a school counsellor or psychologist) is that you compromise just enough for you to be able to "survive" high school while simultaneously not feeling that you're being totally untrue to yourself, that you're "living a lie." It's an extremely delicate balancing act. It's one that, as a gender-variant person, you'll be needing to achieve every single day of the rest of your life. Be wise. Be cautious. Be yourself... the alternative is not worth it, Darth.

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I am glad to hear things are going so well for you and your gf Darth.Sounds like your honesty has paid off and She is becominbg very accepting ofyou.As for school that is a lil more touchy subject that I hope the cd's will help you with.Im so glad to hear that things are going well for you though and she is taking this well.The best thing in a relationship,regardless of age or issue is a good open line of communication!Good Luck and keep us posted!
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Talk to her. Talk with her. Tell her that this is how you feel; tell her about your fears and anxieties. Ask her what her own thinking is on this issue. Aside from love, trust, respect, and friendship, healthy communication is the best way to make the relationship move forward. Give her the opportunity to be as emotionally honest with you as you've been with her. And, yes, be prepared for whatever it is she might feel. It might not necessarily be pleasant (and this possible "unpleasantness" is precisely what keeps so many CD's from being honest with their SO's; this is unfortunate as it forces CD's to be dishonest with themselves, as well).
I was really confused, so I found it difficult to talk about it. Now that I've got it thought out more I feel I can speak to her about it. I can't very well help her understand if I can't quite understand it myself. :lol:
You sort of face a choice, here: do you give in and go with the flow (i.e., keep your crossdressing under wraps, so to speak)? Many here will say you probably should. Or do you more fully embrace who you are and try as best you can to deal with the emotional consequences? This can be a very tough (and sometimes dangerous) road (cf. Gwen Araujo or Brandon Tina, for instance).
I sort of want to find a balance in the two. I don't see myself shouting to the whole world that I'm a crossdresser, but would probably just act more like me in the area rather than who they want me to be. I want to take it tactically so there is as little issue as possible. Being with an armed drill team with some great, loyal, understanding and strong people will be a plus for me also. They don't seem to care about such things, and MOST of them are trustworthy and loyal enough to make sure nothing happens to any member. I can cope much easier with them at my side.
The choice you make will depend on many different factors. Where are you in your crossdressing, Darth? Do you simply enjoy the occasional quasi-fetishistic underdressing? If so, there's no reason this knowledge needs to be public. Or, on the other hand, is your gender variance so compelling that you feel, strongly and unequivocally, that life would be good only if you could present as a woman? if you could pass in public? You'll need to address these issues.
Underdressing does nothing for me. If I can't see it, even if I know it isn't there I don't feel comfortable with it. The change has become strong enough to where I feel compelled to express it openly. I know I would feel much more at ease and more alive if I could present as a woman. Sure I don't want to appear as this 24/7, but I feel that the urge has become a need.
Is there any adult at your school--an adult in a position of responsibility and authority--that you trust, Darth? A counsellor, perhaps, or a teacher... someone you know that you could turn to and that would stand in your corner should things turn hairy (or, rather, smooth-skinned)? What is your school's policy regarding harrassment and discrimination? What is its atmosphere, in general? Are your peers tolerant, as a rule? or is it the opposite?
There are two adults that I feel are trustworthy. The problem is that I will have neither of them, and will only be able to speak to one of them. However as far as the school goes she is just "another brick in the wall" and would hardly be effective if I was in dire need of something. On that note no teachers would ever be effective if it came to discrimination. The school has no problems with it, only because the people who are different are "cool." I am not. The only people who look up to me or respect me are either spongers or other JROTC cadets, and that only goes so far. This would be something new to them if presented, and the publicity and anger over it would likely trigger insane reprecussions. However that would be if I actually dressed to school, which I don't see myself doing. As far as telling a few people, the only people I would tell aren't gossipy, so the issue probably wouldn't be TOO serious. People just probably would never find out.
Above all, you need to evaluate your own gutsiness and your own ability to handle the difficult emotional situations you're likely to encounter should you deliberately "out" yourself. I can tell you from experience that outing yourself can be extremely satisfying but it is never, ever easy to deal with the consequences. There's just no way I would've done it at school when I was your age. But, then, I was fifteen during the macho 70's when John Travolta's "Tony Manero" was every guy's ideal role model (and here I wanted to be Olivia Newton-John! Laughing ). I'm thinking (and hoping) that things are slightly different today. But I'm not sure. You need to feel this out for yourself.
In this school if you are strong as well as different, then there is no problem. While normal people regard me as strong, but if this started to be known people wouldn't care about that, as none of them like me already. They didn't like me as soon as I started dating their good friend and wasn't good looking enough or wasn't them... to keep it short at least that was the basic bits of it. Certain things made it worse, but either way people somehow degraded their opinions of me because I was dating and in love with somebody "higher" than me. They'd probably try to take me for a ride, but fortunately the only times they could ever try to take a chunk out of me I'm armed and backed up. Things are different enough to where I don't think it would escalate that high, I've never seen it for those reasons, however with the last sentence you can trust it would be covered if it did escalate.
One thing's for sure, though: if you go public with this, you also force your SO to go public as a CD's SO, as well. This is something you'll also need to discuss with her.
I know. I don't plan on letting everyone on the planet know... but just a certain level. Semi-secretive. Some can know, others can not. I was planning on talking to her about that.


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