How do you deal with your negative feelings

How are you dealing with or handling this aspect of your life?

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How do you deal with your negative feelings

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:) Hello to all you wonderful,beautiful people,

Firstly thankyou for answering my posts,I seem to have more people from this forum committed to answering posts and providing very important information.
My theory is the more you talk,the more others can identify and not feel alone in this chaotic world.We all need a circle of trust.

I have another question for you all,this question if you choose to answer could actually help someone else,who at this time and moment maybe having difficulties in this area.

As crossdressers all of you have felt ashamed,guilt,resentment,anger,and fear from a young age,to teenage years to manhood years.
How have you all dealt with these negative feelings.

My husband was a very tormented teenager,mixing with the tough ones in school,drinking,and smoking pot,all to conseal his secret and to numb the guilt.


How did you cope with these negative feelings?is it still a daily battle??

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P.S I know your all very busy,but I could use the support on our new forum,it would appear that the crossdressers of western Autralia are reluctant to enter into discussion.I think they need some assistance from their fellow sisters across the great seas.

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Hi Penni,

I think we have all gone through the guilt stage, although I guess some will always have it.

Guilt was crunched into me early in life. My mother would beat me when she caught me messing with her clothes. I was made to feel thoroughly ashamed and debased. Thus my teens were not happy years, replete with stealthy attempts at female clothing. This continued after I moved out and through much of my graduate school years. Then I met the love of my life, and we were happily married for almost 50 years. She barely tolerated my CD, but admitted that she was not able to adjust. In spite of my having to limit my CD strictly, I eventually realized that this was not something I should feel guilty about. It was a compulsion within me and was something that general society would not accept. Society should feel guilty - not me.

My wife died 10 years ago, and I now have a new love. My current SO is totally accepting and cooperative of my CD, and even buys me things that she thinks I'll enjoy. Basically. she does not understand why I have this need, but then I don't understand it either - nor does anyone else, for that matter.

The guilt factor is heavy. It is the main burden that we have to unload. Here is where partners, friends, and even just fellow forum members, become important - indeed essential. You need to have contact with someone who has been there and done that. The unloading can take time, especially if one has been carrying the guilt in secret for years.

If you have a CD partner, be patient with him. Eventually, love will triumph, because with love there is trust. --- Now I am getting maudlin, but I am dressed for it :)

This bunch of people on this forum is a bullwark of strength. Don't hesitate to lean on us. That's what we are here for.

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Penni this is a great topic and one that gets to the heart of much of the reason for the existence of this forum.

First off I should say that I am just someone who likes to crossdress. It's what I do, not what I am. When we get into the topic of pronounced gender ambiguity and the like I can not speak from personal experience. It seems to me that it must be quite a struggle.

My first education came from Ann Landers back in the 60's where she discussed it from time to time as a fetish and not a sign of being gay. A big relief to a prepubecent boy in those homophobic times. Next came similar information from David Rubin. And occaisional other articles. I remember vividly reading something in college called How to tell your wife or girlfriend you are a transvestite. It was in our criminology textbook. We had a professor who was very attuned to understanding folks who were "different" and who at that time were acting outside the law. It was great to read about myself in a college textbook.

I went to college in the early 70's The time of feminism and the tag end of the cultural revolution. I took lots of psych classes and stuff and had a couple of feminist teachers who talked a lot about oppresion of women in American society. I often felt there was something left out here, not that I am saying any of that is not very real. I remember in my childhood developement class presenting a paper I had written about sex and power and how I like many men percieved women as holding a lot of power. Suddenly I heard myself saying how jealousy of this power had led me as a child to enjoy wearing womens clothing. Lots of laughter but not the hateful or disdainful kind. It was okay. Of course there was no one in that class I was good friends with, it was very anonymous. Still it felt good.

I had a girlfriend at that time who was a recovering drug addict who had been through rehab. Anything I did was lightweight compared to the stories she and her friends had. Her main concern was that I might be gay. Her acceptance meant a lot.

Fast forward 30 years to the last couple of years. I started to CD a lot, albeit secretly, a couple of years ago. I am blessed at this point in my life with a lot of support. I participate in a 12 step fellowship where people have done a lot of stuff much further out of the mainstream than this. It's funny, it's almost a joke that it's okay to talk there about prostituing yourself but compulsive masturbation is not discussed. But anyway coming to terms with some truly shameful past behavior of mine came to mean self acceptance and with that acceptance of this side of myself. I also have a therapist I talk to who has some very interesting perceptions about all this. My sponsor and my shrink are the only people in F2F life I discuss this with but their acceptance has been very important.

These forums have been important. There is great strength in knowing I am not alone. In fact although statistics are vague it is nice to know that a lot, maybe several percent of the population of men do this at some time. I'm not really very strange at all.

I also go to a church which is pretty accepting. We have one openly trans sexual person there and lots of folks who are just different including a woman who is horribly burned and disfigured facially.

I guess what I have gotten from a lot of these people and places is that I must not judge others, I must accept others as a child of God. Once I have done that self acceptance becomes much easier. Conversely if I do not practice acceptance of others my own self acceptance becomes almost impossible.

Lastly I choose to mostly associate with people who are pretty accepting. To tell the truth, I am secretive because I can not handle telling them rather than them not being able to handle knowing.

I guess this boils down to education, knowing who and what I am, and associating with good people.

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When we can explain why people turn to “drugs” for entertainment or escape, we may well be in a better position to explain our conflicts with crossdressing. I think in a nutshell, it rests in the fact that as a culture, we are grounded in organized religion. From there we establish our “moral code of ethics and behavior.”

There are cultures that have no conflict with us in general and accept us on face value. Different religions and certainly more flexible in cultural differences. As soon as we have a better understanding of how the human brain works, makes decisions, analyzes data, and renders a verdict on various proposals, we will be able to better understand the makeup with the “makeup.”

For now, consider how most of us wax and wan over money or the lack of it in our lives. There is plenty in print, it is just a matter of latching on to some more of it via legal and accepted means in our culture.

Why does anyone really decide to make their life more difficult than it needs to be? :) :) :) :)


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Penni wrote:As crossdressers all of you have felt ashamed,guilt,resentment,anger,and fear from a young age,to teenage years to manhood years.
How have you all dealt with these negative feelings.
Not true, actually.

The only negative feeling I've had is feeling bad for my wife having to deal with something so outside her comfort zone. The only way to deal with that, my feelings that is, is to accept that she's never going to fully embrace it and hope that the times she finds it really hard are few and far between. So far so good.
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Post by Marlena Dahlstrom »

Like Donna, I'm not a good person to ask, since I've never really felt guilty or shameful about my dressing. Was it something that I thought would be viewed at best as being eccentric? Yes. But that's a bit different.

Ironically, now that I've been going out in public and starting to come out to friends, I've had occasional "bad days," about still compartmentalizing my life. Guess it's just a case of rising expectations, i.e. it's more painful to step back into the closet when you've been out of it.
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I have had some experiences that, well, I will not post here because, well because they were so beautiful and so intimate and so wonderful that I know my sisters here would think I need to be locked up. Relative to your query, I don't think I have had any bad, sad, undesirable feelings since Virginia as become such an integral part of my life! I had my first and perhaps my only awakning acceptance in a club in Richmond. I have shared this before and can only hope that some of my sisters can experience this. I came out of the ladies room, and place my handbag on the counter, got out my lipstick to reapply, bent forward to look into the mirror and there looking back at me was Virginia, not a "guy in a dress" not a cross-dresser, but a woman!!!! Every cell in my body seemed to be screaming - "this is soooooooooo right!" what an epithany! It was probably the greatest moment in my life! The feeling was, well it was indescribable!!!! You have to experience it yourself and I can assure you that if you experience it --- you will know it!
It is what I tell my sisters here who have the non-accepting spouse and/or are given an ultimatium about who (what) they are. Some of us have to ask the ultimate question! You dress your best, then you stand in front of that big mirror and look at the girl looking back at you - not what she wearing, not how she looks, stands, ---you look into her eyes, deep into her eyes and ask yourself the ultimate question" "What am I willing to do to appease this woman?" I can assure you you will know whether or not you are sincere in this, if you are not you are not ready to commit one way or the other. If in your "heart of hearts" you can answer it - whatever the answer is you will have chosen a path - take it because that is where you belong.
As for Virginia, "we" will hold hands, love each other unconditionally and continue our "Magical Mystery Tour" and loving every step of it!!!
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Hi all,

Penni,

Yes, as a teenager, I've had to deal with feelings of guilt and shame and anger. Hell, I wouldn't call it anger; I'd call it rage. And this, even before my teenage years... I often had suicidal ideations even as a boy who already knew that he was far too different to ever fit in.

Although, for a relatively (and blessedly) short period in my teens, I did experiment with getting myself plastered or stoned out of my skull, I soon realized it wasn't for me. No amount of chemicals could ever take away the soul pain that I felt. For me, the answer came fairly naturally: knowledge.

While my classmates were not yet weaned from comic books, I was poring over the works of Havelock Ellis, Masters and Johnson, Robert Stoller, Virginia Prince, and the DSM. I was in my early teens when I started to see that, for one thing, I wasn't alone and that, for another, I wasn't as "monstrous" as I'd come to believe I was.

From that moment on--very slowly and very, very gradually (a process that took many years)--my shame started to transform itself from a shame based on my own alleged "abnormality" to a shame based on my being part of a culture that hypocritically lauds individuality in writing while lambasting it in fact.

I will no longer submit to this. One way out, for me, is to help other people recognize the value of their own individuality, very much regardless of the shape it may take. If they're not hurting other people, people have nothing to be ashamed of. This is especially true, I think, where their compulsive behaviours are concerned.

This is a great topic, Penni. Thanks for bringing it up.

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Sorry to be so slow in responding - have been preoccupied.

Yes I had strong feelings of self-doubt and low self-esteem. Unlike others, I actually shunned escapes like tobacco, alcohol, or drugs. Instead, I became very introverted.

Shucks, I would never be married today had my dear wife not insisted in sitting with me one evening in the college cafeteria, even after warning her that I was ill and probably contageous. I was that shy.

My path to self accptance was in education: first when Ann Landers said a wife should support her crossdressing hubby. Next in a Discovery channel episode on human sexuality (focused on crossdressing). Last in Internet sites, learning I'm not so different after all.

Pursue self-acceptance with all your energy. You can quit smoking, but very few really quit crossdressing (which is a far healthier diversion than smoking anyway).

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Hi, Penny,

I just wanted to echo (yet again) what Virginia said about looking into the mirror and seeing that woman looking back. It's the most amazing, glorious, and liberating feeling I have ever had. Guilt? Not any more. Ever. Though there are those who would push me back into that morass, if only I would go there. (My wife, in particular, just cannot resist a chance to "rub my face in it." Just this morning, as I was emptying the dishwasher, I commented in passing that I liked the colors on her coffee mug. Her response was...and I'm paraphrasing here..."That's because it's purple. All my life, my favorite color was purple, but you hated it. Now you think it's wonderful. When I think of all ll those years I couldn't wear purple because you didn't like it....etc." When I pointed out that almost every article of clothing I had ever bought for her was purple,...and she had assured me many times that she was always amazed at my "good taste" and that she "loved" what I had bought for her, she said that, in fact, they weren't purple, and that I couldn't tell the difference between purple and burgundy or plum, or whatever. Now she resents the fact that Karen...yep, that's me...likes to wear burgundy, plum...or "purple.")

The point she is trying to make under all this, is that there is something wrong with my being Karen. That somehow, Karen has robbed her of years of enjoying something she loved. This, of course, is only one complaint. There are many others, and she doesn't hesitate to jump on every opportunity to remind me of my crime: being Karen.

I do not dress in her presence, out of respect for her feelings. I do not go out locally, out of respect for her feelings. I hide in the house...which feels an awful lot like shame...out of respect for her feelings. I do not shop locally, out of respect for her feelings. I do not go out with any of my transgendered friends, even when they live in another city, 70 miles away, out of respect for her feelings. I make myself as invisible as I can, out of respect for her feelings. But I will not feel ashamed. She would like me to. She certainly is ashamed of me, but I have left that part of the struggle far, far behind.

I remember the day I did so, vividly. I was living on my own, working in another city, far from here. I was single at the time. I had no friends in town. No family. And I was very, very lonely. There is something soul destroying in coming home to an empty apartment, or in my case, an ancient mobile home in a run-down trailer park, and sitting down to yet another silent supper: the only other voice coming from the radio. I can remember standing in front of the mirror, and thinking: "You are a good person, despite the crossdressing. You are a good person. You are worthy of love."

(I would amend that, now, to because you are a crossdresser.) It gives me something special, something that I think many men simply do not have. I'm not sure I could put my finger on it, exactly, without sounding pompous, but perhaps an example will serve. When our daughter (our first child) was born, there was an almost instant bonding with her that remains to this day, 26 years later. I can remember it distinctly, as an almost physical reaction. It took about half a second, the time it took for the doctor to pick her up out of the bassinette and hand her to me. Years later, I would find myself having to remind myself that we were, in fact, two separate human beings, that she would have a life of her own, independent of mine, but in the meantime, while she was young, I never missed a chance to cuddle her, to play with her, or on a clear, frosty night, to wrap her up in her blanket and take her out to show her the stars.

Is shame and guilt an issue? My wife would like it to be, but I'm simply not going to let that happen. It's a conscious decision that I make every time she tries. I refuse to go there. Not any more, not since that day in front of the mirror when I simply let it fall away.

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:) :) :) :) To Bernice and Karen,


(--) A big a hug for you both,for being so open and true about your life,that takes courage.

If there is one thing in my life I hate is the fact that people feel they can manipulate and abuse others,because of their own shallow reasons.

Karen,You love your wife so much that you are actually willing to suppress a great part of you. I am glad that you are able to speak to us,as to remain invisible physically and verbally in regards to your crossdressing ,to me is killing a great part of your very existence.It is a shame that your wife can't see beyond the clothing.
I guess for me I have always been able to see past the clothing,and the myth that surrounds crossdressing.I have made it a point in my life to learn,and to not judge someone ,who dressed as Marie or dressed as marc is the most wonderful,intelligent being that has tapped into my soul and heart.Yes we have our bad days and sometimes i wish Marie was invisible,but as i said before that would be me manipulating her for my own cause and that is a terrible form of torture.
You are a goddess within who is worthy of love,keep being true to yourself,keep exploring yourself and know that we here are here for you to include you in our circle of trust.

You touched my heart today Karen,as I don't think I have ever met anyone willing to supress a big part of them for another being.
Please accept my love to you,I accept you and I think you are a worthy person.

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I remember the feelings of guilt very clearly, thankfully they are mostly just that, memories. My parents would every now and then find the clothing I had bought (with my own money) and they would get very angry. The worst would be when they told me how much I disappointed them. As a teenager it was very difficult to hear. I did attempt suicide because of this on three different occasions. It's difficult to write about as the memories are flooding in. Long story short, I managed to survive and no longer feel guilty about being myself.
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:) Hello to all,

The beauty of our feelings be they negative, positive good or bad is that you don't have to let them go. You just place them in a bubble let them float away until such time that you are ready to draw them back to face and resolve them.

My husband is now 15 months into transition, it has been a bumpy road, it has brought to the surface for me new emotions and new ways of dealing with them.

For Marie, my partner, there has been 30-odd years of suppression and with that suppression a pattern of behavoir was created out of sheer survival.

In our 15 years of marriage I have always said sorry, always been the one to try and work through our issues.....but they weren't our issues, they were Marie's.

So we have been on a journey to heal each others pain. I have encouraged Marie to face people to whom she was not very kind to or short with, after much effort of them trying to make friends.

What we have found is that by resolving many feelings wounds have been healed for not just her but other people.

Marie wrote a Fax to her ex boss from the country that she subcontracted to for 8 years. Those 8 years had huge repercussions on us and the people she worked with. So hence many, many times I was going in to apologise for Maries's actions.

Well the fax was sent off and 3 hours later Steve Marie's ex boss rang back, they spoke for over an hour, the wonderful experience for Marie was that Steve held no grudge, she was sure that he would and that the letter would be thrown into the bin or town gossip. Steve just wanted to know why all his attempts to be a friend or mate had been pushed away with hate and anger. Marie came of that phone with a peaceful smile and she turned to me and said that this was an amazing part of her self acceptance, being able to talk to someone outside the family circle and to have the chance to say sorry. She has let those feelings of shame go now.

I guess it is very important to be able to resolve feelings of guilt and shame with firstly yourself but also with others.

If you had to adopt a certain type of behavoir to protect yourself from others and to deny your true self to your own self acceptance, please do not be to hard on yourself, just find ways to resolve those feelings, forgive yourself and then take that next step to freedom within.

Suppression is a decay within, it has symtoms that force you into something you really are not. Suppression forces people to hold at bay many, many people, friends and loved ones. Suppression is like a voice within that doesn't allow you to even like yourself, so if you can't like yourself why should others.

Let the pain that resides out, it doesn't need to be held within forever, little by little you let part of you out, you feel it, you acknowledge it and you work out how the best way to accept your feeling into your everyday life.

You all are 1, not 2 people, it just happens that way that it is easier to say there is 2 parts of you, which essentially causes most of you so much grief.

Unite yourself, forgive yourself, accept yourself and from within you will radiate and cope better with life every single day.

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Post by Tekla »

Well, first I take those negative feelings out back and beat them with a baseball bat. That gets rid of most of them.

If that does not work, I lay in the sun. Either its the incredible power of the sun to disinfect and clean, or else I get stupid if I do it long enough - either way, OK.

But, like sun is a disinfectant for biological stuff that grows in the dark and damp, so is truth for our lives. If its the truth, you need not feel good or bad about it. It just is. You can work to change it if you like, accept it if you must, either way it don't change, and feeling bad about does not help.
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Thanks again Penni and everyone.
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