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SP Times Post: 03-23-07

Pastor Ron Saunders, who stated Jesus would vote to terminate Steve Stanton as Largo City Manager, fails to understand the difference between the Old Testament and New Testament. He is not alone: national religious leaders Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have the same problem. Churchgoers would do well to think for themselves and be careful about who is leading them.

In the Old Testament, God was quite active in punishing people on earth, at one time destroying all the earth’s creatures except for Noah’s family and a pair of all others. He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because some - not all - of the residents were sinful. And He turned Lot’s wife to a pillar of salt for a minor transgression. So, in the Old Testament, yes, God would have fired Mr. Stanton.

But Jesus? That’s a different story. Jesus preached acceptance of reviled minorities. The best known example is the story of the Good Samaritan, who was shown to have more virtue than some of the Chosen People. He prevented punishment by death of an adultress. And He was very kind to the largest oppressed group of His day: women.

The simple explanation is that people who lived in Old Testament times were under the law of God, and God was quite ruthless and sometimes arbitrary at enforcing it. Those who have lived since Christ are under the grace of God. And that means there is no punishment on earth by God (or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit) from the time of Christ until the time of the Tribulation. We are in that time now. And so Jesus would not have voted to fire Mr. Stanton, as alleged by Pastor Saunders.

It seems most of those who voted to terminate Mr. Stanton did so not because of Pastor Saunders’ statement but because of fear of what they presumed the public would think. They should have waited to see. Public support for firing Mr. Stanton is not overwhelming, as it appeared to be among the few who appeared for the meeting.

It is perhaps significant that the two of voted to keep Mr. Stanton are members of groups who only a few years ago, had limited opportunties or were persecuted. And often, during those times, God was cited, now obviously erroneously, as the authority for limitation and persecution. Pastor Saunders’ cite of authority for persecution of Mr. Stanton is equally erroneous.

In the big picture, Largo is an insignificant small town. But it may find that, as a result of its actions, it will become quite significant, and in an unintended and embarassing way.

Brad Krulce, Palm Harbor
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Reporter Notes:

Tribulation...
ref:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulation

For further reading and consideration.

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Despite outcry, Stanton is fired
Largo again votes 5-2; dozens testify his gender change shouldn't matter.
By LORRI HELFAND
Published March 24, 2007

LARGO - Steve Stanton couldn't overcome the odds. Largo city commissioners voted 5-2 to fire him early this morning, a month after he revealed he planned to become a woman.
The vote was identical to one taken Feb. 27 and came after a six-hour meeting including four hours of public testimony, most of it urging the commission to save Stanton's job.
"I was optimistic, but realistic that it was going to be very difficult to slow down the train," Stanton, 48, said after the vote. He said he has made no decision about whether he'll take additional legal action.
Stanton - joined by his attorney, specialists and accomplished transgender people - had led the charge for his job Friday night, asking commissioners to look past gender issues and judge him on his accomplishments in 14 years as Largo's top bureaucrat.
"I'm asking you to realize I'm still the same person today that I was four weeks ago. I'm asking you to judge me on my qualifications and performance and the fact that this organization is the best run organization in Pinellas County," he said.
But in the end, commissioners said that they lost their trust in him and that he didn't meet the leadership standards he set for employees.
"I will tell you it is not about transgenderism," said Commissioner Gay Gentry. "It is about making sure that the 1,000 people who work in the city, work in such a way that they can give superior services for the 75,000 people who live in this city. I tried to vote the right way for the right reasons."
Commissioner Andy Guyette said honesty, integrity and trust were the foundations of their relationship with him and that "without trust, there is no longer a foundation to any relationship."
Gentry and Guyette were among the five commissioners who moved to fire Stanton in an emergency meeting Feb. 27, six days after the St. Petersburg Times disclosed he was undergoing hormone therapy in anticipation of gender re-assignment surgery. Later stories, which have garnered interest around the world, revealed Stanton had told a handful of subordinates and elected officials about his plans, but not every commissioner.
Stanton's 30-minute statement Friday night, his most extensive comments since the Feb. 27 meeting, were nearly eclipsed by the spectacle of the evening. After Stanton and his team spoke for two hours, commissioners began hearing from the roughly 100 people who had signed up to speak. Most were from Tampa Bay and they included several transgendered people, including a Pasco sheriff's deputy. Most spoke in support of Stanton.
Shortly before 10 p.m., the meeting was briefly stopped for a bomb scare; his assistant city manager, Henry Schubert, was treated by paramedics after he blacked out; and across City Hall, dozens of the nearly 300 people in attendance wore light pink T-shirts that proclaimed "Don't Discriminate."
They were distributed by Equality of Florida, a statewide advocacy group for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.
Stanton apologized for not informing some commissioners before they heard of his plans in the media, and he explained why he didn't leave and transition out of the public spotlight.
"Largo has not been a job to me," he said. "Largo's been a passion. One does not just replace one's passion."
Stanton's plea came after 90 minutes of presentations from his team of experts, who sought to remind commissioners of his success as city manager. They explained what it means to be transgendered and how someone can make a smooth transition in the work place.
Among those supporting Stanton's case were Susan Kimberly, former deputy mayor of St. Paul, Minn., who started living as a woman in 1983; and Margaret Stumpp, chief investment officer for Quantitative Investment Management Associates, who transitioned from man to woman five years ago while keeping her job overseeing $60-billion in investments.
Stanton's case also included comments by Dr. Walter Bockting, associate professor at University of Minnesota Medical School and a specialist in transexualism. He said gender identity disorder isn't something people can change.
The majority of the public who spoke urged the commission to keep Stanton, including longtime Pinellas County School Board member Linda Lerner, who told the commission it had a "wonderful opportunity" to serve as an example for students by keeping Stanton.
But some speakers, including former Mayor Bob Jackson, said Stanton created a culture of fear.
"You need to listen to what the residents are telling you in Largo and they're telling you it's time for a change in city management," Jackson said.
Another resident said Largo's choice made "Largo the laughing stock of the whole country.
"We're a disgrace," said resident Jimmy Dean. "It seems a couple people here want to make Largo into a weirdo town."
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Do not be disappointed girls, this is just routine politics. Unfortunately, Stanton was paid for performance and presentation. He decided to change that half that while a slip in performance can be tolerated, presentation is outside the ballpark for the majority.

Obviously, Stanton could continue with the law suit. After reading so much on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that it is adiscrimnatory firing based on political perceptions. The perception as usual that the majority of the populace want this. The "silent majority" will need to take a voice in this if there is to be a fair resolution.

That's the "catch-phrase" that Stanton will; need to employ if he is to maintain National attention on this firing. Simply put, we all know that women have been and still are discriminated against, as well, various minorities; race, religion etc.

Ever try to push a railroad car up a hill by yourself? That's about what it is like in the USA when you want to get something to change that suits a constituency of players that are financially empowered to demand their opinions be acted on. Still, there are options open to Stanton. One would be that he start his resume machine and find another City that is more ameniable to his liking.

The U.S. Military will often transfer a soldier that was promoted to sergeant so he his not affected by previous local friendships. A common practice in many organizations after promoting someone to a position of authority over others. A new beginning. A fresh start is perhaps all Stanton really needs to keep the ball rolling in his favor.

Susan Stanton will be out in April my last read tells me. She will need all the support that she can muster to get her family through this complicated time. It is Saturday morning and I cannot help wonder, is susan awake or still asleep after a restless night? What is she going to do today? We all live in the now girls, every last one of us while we are here!



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His second self
Over and over, the family man tried to put Susan in a suitcase. Now, Susan and Steve are finally merging, and career and family are splintering.
By LANE DEGREGORY and LORRI HELFAND
Published March 11, 2007


When it was finally over - after he had listened to people talk for four hours about how depraved he was, how sinful and untrustworthy - Steve Stanton handed over his office key and walked out of the City Hall he had run for 14 years.
He climbed into his Lexus and turned on the radio. Naomi Judd sang, "It's over ..." Steve tried not to be angry even though the Largo vote had been 5-2 against him. He tried not to feel sorry for himself.
It was after 10 p.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 27. He thought everybody would be in bed when he got home. His 13-year-old son, Travis, had school the next day. And Steve hadn't shared a room with his wife, Donna, for years.
When he turned into the driveway, he was surprised to see the kitchen lights still on. By the time he shut off the engine, Travis had flung open the door. He ran to his dad and hugged him. Donna came out and hugged Steve, too, for the first time in months.
"We watched the whole thing on TV," Travis said. "Why did they fire you? Why were those people saying such mean things about you?"
Steve shook his head. "Because they don't understand."
- - -
How was anyone supposed to understand?
How could Steve even begin to talk about the mirrors and the clogs, the birthday cards and clothes, the two sets of journals, the loneliness and lies?
How could this tough, 48-year-old city manager who had commanded 1,000 employees, who had rappelled with the firefighters and trained with the SWAT team, explain why he wanted to be a woman?
He had started with his wife. This is not about kinky sex or being gay or strutting like a drag queen, he told her. It's about who I am.
At first, Donna tried to understand. She even took him shoe shopping. It was like a game. Then it wasn't a game anymore.
"I believe you didn't choose to be this way," she told him. But someone who wants to be a woman isn't what she wants in a husband.
You need to know I tried, Steve said. I agonized over this, went to therapy, fought it for 40 years.
You need to understand: I tried to kill Susan.
- - -
Steve Stanton has known he is different as long as he has known his name.
He was born in September 1958 in New York's Catskill Mountains. His father - a distant man, Steve says - was the personnel manager at a knife factory; his mother stayed home with Steve, his older sister and younger brother. They did typical family things together. They camped, built backyard forts, gathered for dinner every night.
But mostly, Steve was a loner. He was always in his room studying, in the basement tending to 50 tanks of tropical fish, taking walks with his gray poodle, Misty.
She was his only confidante. Even when he was 6, Steve says, he would walk her through the woods, saying out loud what he was ashamed even to think.
"I want to be a girl," Steve told his dog. "I think I am a girl, inside."
He told the dog he hated mirrors because his reflection didn't match who he really was. He told her about the time he stole his sister's blue clogs and clip-clopped to Mr. Brown's candy store. He said he was scared of what was inside him.
He thought about how much easier everything would be if he had been born a girl. One day when he was 8 or 9, he asked his mom, "If I'd been a girl, what would you have named me?"
"Susan," she said.
"It was like an electrical charge went through me," Steve says now. "I remember wanting to yell, 'That's it! That's who I am! "'
- - -
He started keeping journals in fourth grade. Every night after his brother fell asleep, Steve would curl up in the corner of their room with a diary.
He wrote about how hard school was, how much it hurt when other kids called him Jew boy. Mostly, though, he wrote about Susan. The journal was the only place he could reveal that part of himself, try to figure out what it was. He didn't have a split personality, he says. Susan was simply the other side of him, the piece that made him whole.
He filled pages with his feelings and thoughts, but he never wrote the word Susan. He didn't want anyone to know her name.
In his writing, Steve called her "my second self."
- - -
Puberty was torture. The more his body changed, the more he felt he was losing who he was supposed to be. When peach fuzz began to sprout above his lip, he stole his sister's pink plastic razor and whisked it away.
But he had to do something to fix himself, to become the man his body was telling him he should be. One afternoon he stuffed all his diaries into a bag, dropped them in a can and burned them.
He thought Susan was gone.
In high school, other boys bragged about their sexual exploits, but Steve didn't want to hear. He wasn't attracted to anyone, really, girls or boys. He never asked anyone out. He didn't go to his prom.
"I never thought anything of it," says Steve's dad, Web Stanton, who lives outside Tallahassee. "I just thought he was too cheap."
Steve spent his time playing basketball, delivering papers, scrubbing bathrooms at his father's company.
He didn't write in his journal. But he still dreamed of being Susan. In his dreams, his body matched his brain.
- - -
Steve's parents split up in his senior year in high school, and his mom asked him to take some of her clothes to the Salvation Army. By then, Steve's sister had moved out, so he had his own room.
He was 17. He'd never worn a dress.
He spent hours that day poring through his mom's discard pile, picking out outfits. At the bottom of the heap, he found a white tennis dress.
He slipped it on. It hugged his thin hips. He loved how the fabric felt against his skin.
He slept in the dress that night. And the next.
When he left for the University of Florida in 1977, he took it with him.
- - -
Steve rented an apartment by himself. He majored in psychology, thinking it might help him figure out what was going on in his head.
He never went to football games or frat parties. He spent weekends shopping - and becoming Susan behind closed doors.
He would buy nightgowns and cheap dresses, always long-sleeved and floor-length to hide his hairy arms and legs. He would buy a birthday card so the clerk would think the clothes were a gift.
After his first semester in college, Steve bought a journal: a leather-bound volume with lined, dated pages. His first entry was on Jan. 1, 1978, in black ballpoint pen, in almost illegible script.
"Life is funny," he wrote. "And God works in mysterious ways. ... It is up to us all to seek the truth about ourselves. I will try to do just that."
- - -
Psychology turned out to be too hard, so Steve got his degree in political science, then stayed another year for a master's. When it was time to leave Gainesville, he knew he had to kill Susan. Again.
He stuffed a closetful of clothes into trash bags and dragged them to the trash bin. The last thing he wedged in was the white tennis dress.
The next few years took Steve to Washington, D.C., New York, Alaska, Champaign, Ill, then Kentucky. Susan died each time. Every move to a new place gave Steve faint hope that he could be someone the world could accept.
But every time he landed in a new city, he bought another wardrobe.
- - -
At work, Steve seemed to have it all together. In 1986 he got his first job as a city manager, in Berea, Ky.
In an aerobics class in nearby Lexington, Steve met a woman named Donna. She was tall and voluptuous, with blonde hair and a soft voice. She laughed a lot.
Steve thought she was gorgeous. But he wasn't really attracted to her. At 30, he says, he was still a virgin.
Donna, who was seven years older, had been married before. At first, she didn't like Steve. He was sarcastic, condescending, not considerate of other people's feelings, she says. He seemed uncomfortable. But the social worker in her saw he needed a friend.
Eventually, Steve invited Donna to his apartment. He had bought another wardrobe of women's clothes by then, so he hid everything in a blue trunk.
One afternoon, Donna saw Steve's diary and asked to read it. Okay, he said, but not this one. He gave her the one from his first year in college. It never spelled out his desire to be a woman.
When Donna thinks about those days now, she wonders how she missed the signs. In a four-hour phone conversation last week, she poured out her story, beginning with that afternoon she spent deciphering the cramped handwriting in his journal.
"I saw a different side of him in those pages. There was a vulnerability about him," Donna says. "If I'd never read his journals, we probably never would have dated."
She didn't know it, but she had fallen in love with Susan.
- - -
They had been dating nine months when Steve got an offer to move to Florida and be an assistant city manager in Largo.
The third-largest city in Pinellas County, Largo is home to 76,000 people. It's about 90 percent white and has more than 60 churches. It is known for its parks, mobile homes and downtown feed store. It calls itself the City of Progress.
Steve asked Donna to marry him and move with him to Florida.
She asked him if he was gay.
"I'd wondered, after reading some of his journals. He wrote somewhat in code, but it was obvious he felt ... differently ... about a lot of situations," she says.
Steve assured her he wasn't gay.
They had a short ceremony in Myrtle Beach, S.C. When they got to Largo, Steve tossed his women's clothes into a trash bin. He wrote in his journal: "I've gotten rid of my second self."
- - -
Now that he had Donna, he thought, he didn't need Susan. Cat Stevens lyrics kept playing in his head: "Find a girl, settle down." Marriage - that would be the cure.
For seven years, it worked. Donna found a job in a nursing home. Steve was promoted to city manager. They bought a house. Travis was born. Donna quit her job and became a soccer mom.
Steve didn't buy women's clothes. He didn't write about Susan in his journals. He was just Steve, workaholic city manager, husband and father. Regular guy.
Until 1998. When he had a dream.
In the dream he was Susan, and everyone could see it. Steve woke up in a panic: She was back.
He got on the Internet and typed in "transvestite." A new world opened up to him, one with cross-dressers and drag queens, gays and lesbians, bisexuals and asexuals, and something called a transgender. Steve says he had never heard that word. He was sure he wasn't one.
He got lost in cross-dressing Web sites. He started coming home late from work, then holing up in his study to look at them. When Donna walked in, he'd click off his computer. "City business," he'd say.
Finally, she told him she knew. He was having an affair.
No, Steve told her. It's not that.
She started crying.
In bed that night, Steve touched her shoulder. "There's something I have to tell you," he said. He kept talking in circles, telling her how much he loved her. Finally, he blurted, "I think I might be a cross-dresser."
He didn't tell her he had worn dresses before. And he didn't tell her about Susan. Just that he had been looking at Web sites and thought he'd like to dress up.
Donna laughed. "Steve," she said, "you are the most conservative, judgmental person I know. That's just too funny to be true."
He told his wife, "It's not a joke."
- - -
Cross-dressing? Was that all it was? Donna was relieved. She even said she would help him.
On a Saturday evening in January 1998, while their son was at a sleep-over, Donna took her husband to Payless ShoeSource. She pretended to be shopping for pumps, then let Steve try them on.
He has small feet - size 8 - so it was easy to find shoes that fit. At first, he teetered in the black pumps.
Then Donna took him to Ross Dress for Less, where she helped him buy a blue dress, size 12, and panty hose. He had never worn panty hose.
"I thought it was just a little fetish," Donna says, "something we could giggle about together. I didn't know he'd been struggling with this all his life. In my mind, he'd try it out and see a ridiculous-looking man in a dress. He'd figure out the foolishness of it and it'd be over with.
"If I had known what I was doing," she says, "I probably never would have done it."
The next night, in their bedroom, she showed him how to roll up panty hose. She zipped his dress. She gave him a blond wig she'd worn to a costume party and did his make-up: thick foundation to cover his whiskers, lipstick, shimmery eye shadow, mascara.
One wall of their living room was filled with full-length mirrors. Donna led Steve toward them.
"I was laughing. He was Halloween, a masquerade," Donna says.
Steve stared at himself for a long time. He says he didn't even see his shoes, the dress, the wig. He was looking into his own eyes. He couldn't believe that after all these years, he was seeing Susan.
"This person I'd been running from was right there, staring back at me in the mirror," he says. "I knew once she was out I couldn't put her back in again."
Watching her husband watch himself, Donna felt sick. "It wasn't funny to him," she says, her voice catching. "He was connecting with that image and it frightened me. I think he said something like, 'So there she is!' "
After midnight, still in makeup, Steve opened his journal. On Jan. 19, 1998, he wrote the first entry in Susan's voice.
"Well, finally I'm free to see the world as I am. To look in the mirror and see my own image. I have protected him for so many years, waiting for my chance to see the world as he does. ... I'm the softness in his heart and the caring in his mind. I have comforted him when he feels alone and protected him from rejection, from hurt. I've always been with him. And he's always been with me. For so many years, I've cried out in his sleep to be whole, to express my femininity while he expressed his maleness. I promise to act as one. I can make him a fuller person. But I am real. And I need light, no less than he does ..."
- - -
Come with me, he begged Donna. Help me navigate this new world.
Donna was trying to be supportive. She called a friend, asked her to keep Travis for the evening.
They drove to Orlando, to a big hotel, where 60 men in drag were meeting in a support group for heterosexual cross-dressers. Some brought their wives. As Steve and Donna crossed the parking lot together, Steve kept staring at his shadow. In those heels, that dress and wig, his outline looked like a woman's. This was Susan's public debut.
But inside the meeting, Steve got squirrelly. He wasn't like those other men in dresses.
Donna wanted to go home. She kept thinking, "This is my date night?"
Three weekends, they drove the 90 minutes, only to realize they didn't fit in with that group. Finally, Donna struck a deal. If Steve had to do this, that was one thing. But she didn't want any part of it.
Once a month, Steve could go out of town and do whatever he had to do. But he couldn't talk about it. He could never dress up at home.
And they couldn't tell anyone. Ever.
- - -
Steve called those weekends "boy's night out."
He'd tell Travis he was going away on business, or to run a marathon. He always packed four bags: A garment bag for his suit and ties; a gym bag for running clothes; a rolling suitcase for Susan's wardrobe; and another gym bag of makeup.
He'd drive to Jacksonville, Savannah or Atlanta, where he figured no one would know him. He'd check into a hotel and start the transformation.
It took at least two hours for Susan to emerge. First he would tug on a sports bra, then four pairs of stockings. He needed at least that many to keep the hair on his legs from poking out. Long skirt and long sleeves. The wig, low heels.
He developed his own process for applying makeup: Dot lipstick across your beard and moustache areas and blend. Add two or three layers of liquid foundation and you can barely see the razor burn. He got good at accenting his blue eyes, inking his pale lashes.
The first few weekends, he went to nightclubs, gay and straight. He didn't like either. He got nervous when guys looked at him. He thought he was passing. But he didn't want them trying to buy him a drink. Just like in high school, he wasn't interested in sex with anybody; it wasn't about that.
Maybe Susan would be more comfortable someplace a little more upscale, he thought. So one weekend, Steve put on a woman's suit and pulled into the parking lot of Orlando's Adam's Mark Hotel.
He walked toward the glass front doors and hesitated. He started and stopped three times before he finally dared go in. The doorman held the door for him and said, "Good evening, ma'am."
He had made it. She had made it.
Soon, he was wearing dresses everywhere on those secret weekends. He would sit on benches at malls and study how women walk, what they wear, how they move their hands. He learned to speak more softly, to raise the inflection of his voice and shift his speech patterns.
"At the drive-through, a man says, 'Give me some fries,' " Steve says. "With women, it's usually, 'Can I please have some fries?' Gender is about so much more than just the way we dress."
Some Saturdays, when he got back to the hotel, Steve would call Donna. Often, she'd be angry. Eventually he stopped calling.
In each strange city, before he went to bed, Steve would unpack a little black frame with an old photo of Travis. He'd put it on the nightstand and push the button.
"Hi Daddy. I miss you so much," the photo would say, in Travis' 4-year-old voice. "I can't wait until you get home."
- - -
While Steve was going out to dinner and concerts as Susan, Donna was home with Travis, watching rented movies. She never went out when he was away. What if someone asked, "Where's Steve?"
She hated lying. She hated his being gone. She got sick of thinking about him somewhere in a dress. What if someone saw him? What if someone jumped him? He wasn't used to thinking like a woman.
They found a marriage counselor who specialized in cross-dressing. They agreed they both loved their son, their home and friends, their standing in the community. So they agreed to stay together and keep the secret.
"That's how we lived for years," Donna said. "And I hated it. I felt like a fraud."
- - -
At work, Steve was the buttoned-up, short-fused boss, the face of Largo's aggressive annexation policy and its quest to become a real city with 10-story buildings downtown. He demanded perfection from his employees, was quick to fire them if they questioned him. Nobody would have guessed he was Susan on weekends.
He managed to keep a solid wall between the two personas - until 2003.
That year, commissioners were considering a human rights ordinance that would have protected transgender people - people who prefer to present in the opposite gender. Steve said he supported the ordinance, but he didn't push for it. He was afraid someone would make him defend his view. And he knew he wasn't impartial, so it would be hard to consider the city's best interests on the issue.
"We were drafting this stuff and some people were trying to figure it out, but others were just snickering," Steve says. "Someone would make a distasteful joke and I'd go red."
The law came up for a public hearing. Until then, Steve said, he hadn't really understood what it meant to be transgender. The men in dresses - that's what they looked like to him - scared him when they spoke to the commission. He didn't think he was one of them.
But their stories sounded familiar. His journals were filled with all the things they were saying. He felt small, sitting there in his big chair, in his tailored suit.
The commission voted against the ordinance. Later, one of the commissioners called Steve aside. She knew he believed in the law. Why hadn't he fought harder for it?
Steve hung his head.
- - -
After years of wondering, denying, pretending and hiding, he had to know: What was he? Where did he fit in? Was there a treatment for whatever he had?
He looked up Dr. Kathleen Farrell, a clinical psychologist who had spoken at the Largo meeting. Farrell, who has a Ph.D. from the University of Cincinnati, has spent more than 20 years working with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in the Tampa Bay area. She also founded Starburst, the area's first transgender support group .
Steve drove to her office in a St. Petersburg church. Shaking, he knocked on the door.
Farrell told Steve to stand in front of a large oval mirror. She asked, "What do you see?"
He saw a pasty man with short brown hair, a few flecks of gray creeping up the temples. He had a thick neck, strong jaw and full lips. Steve ran his hand across his stubbly cheeks. It felt so wrong.
Steve told Farrell about his childhood, about the clogs and tennis dress, about trying to kill Susan and live with Donna. He told her about his journals. For the last year he had been keeping two - one for Steve and one for Susan.
Farrell asked him: If you could take a pill that would make you feel the same on the inside as you are on the outside, would you take it?
Steve didn't hesitate. "Absolutely not."
- - -
The psychologist ran tests. Steve's blood work and testosterone levels were normal. After three months of counseling, Farrell diagnosed him with gender identity disorder. No other mental illness, she said, could explain his lifelong desire to be female.
The disorder is described in detail in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the standard guide for psychological diagnosis.
"There must be evidence of a strong and persistent cross-gender identification, which is the desire to be, or the insistence that one is, of the other sex," the manual says. "There must also be evidence of persistent discomfort about one's assigned sex."
There's no cure for the condition, Farrell said. But there is treatment. Steve could start taking hormones. He could take pills to suppress his testosterone, others that would add estrogen. He would grow breasts. He could have electrolysis to remove his beard and body hair. He could start to feel and look more like a woman.
Steve hesitated. What would he tell his employees at City Hall? How would he explain his physical changes to the commission?
He met with Farrell for eight or nine months but still wasn't ready to start hormone therapy. One day, Farrell told him, "I want to meet Susan."
At their next appointment, Farrell says, a professional and "extraordinarily well-dressed woman" walked though the door, looking frightened.
"So," Steve asked, fidgeting in his dress. "What do you think?"
"You're a beautiful woman," said his therapist. He believed she meant it.
- - -
In March 2004, Steve told Donna he realized they'd grown apart and he was sorry. He said he was working on something that would make things better.
"I thought maybe he was planning a second honeymoon or a cruise, some kind of romantic getaway," Donna says. "I was getting pretty excited to find out how he was going to improve our marriage."
One night while Travis, then 10, was at a friend's house, Donna made a candlelight dinner. Steve poured wine. He handed her an eight-page typed letter.
It started out tracing the history of their relationship, their love. Then he got to the part where he said he had been seeing a therapist. "I need to become the person that I really am," Steve wrote to his wife. "And that person is a woman."
Donna read that page five times. The words were blurry through her tears. Her head hurt. Her stomach was in knots. "I kept thinking: I gotta get out of here," she says. "I gotta grab Travis and run."
"What about this," she asked Steve, "is going to make our marriage better?"
He said he didn't want a divorce. He just wanted to be who he was supposed to be. Sure, they'd have to adjust their relationship. But he still wanted to be Travis' parent and her partner. He'd just be Susan.
He knew he was asking a lot, but hoped somehow she would understand.
- - -
For two days, Donna stayed in bed crying.
If Steve could take a pill to suppress testosterone, couldn't he take one to add it? If his body and his brain didn't match, wouldn't it be easier to fix his mind than mess with his body? If he had lived with this for more than 40 years, why couldn't he live with it the rest of his life?
"I can't keep myself split," Steve remembers telling her. All his life, he had "put who I am aside for my parents, my career, society, my family." He says he felt like the alien in a Star Trek episode who could take on the form of whatever creature it was around. But the alien got sick and couldn't keep up the illusion. "I'm too tired," Steve said. "I can't do it anymore."
He told Donna he had come to understand how people could commit suicide. At times he thought it would be easier to die than put everyone through the humiliation they would suffer when he became a woman.
He had agonized about Travis. He had asked himself whether he could wait until his son was older before making the change. He had decided he couldn't. It would kill him. It had come down to this, he told Donna: Would it be better for Travis to have a dead dad? Or a dad who wanted to be a woman?
Steve gave Donna books and articles to read, Web sites to study and chat rooms for partners of transgender people.
"I had nothing in common with them," Donna says. "All those people were planning to stay with their partners, even after the transition. I couldn't do that."
She went to see Farrell, who told her many families work through this. Another therapist told her not to make any life decisions while the hurt was so raw.
Donna took off her wedding ring. She and Steve made a two-year plan:
Steve would start electrolysis and hormone therapy. Donna would go back to school to become a medical technician. They'd continue living as a family while he embarked on his new life. When Steve was ready to be Susan, he would move out.
They wouldn't tell Travis - or anyone - until 2007.
- - -
It hurt so much, having his beard ripped out. "Like 10,000 bees stinging your face," Steve says. Every three weeks, he'd go back for more treatments. Sometimes the technician would have to stop because he was shaking so hard.
He told his employees he had a skin condition. He got in the habit of tracing his fingers across his cheeks, exploring the softness. He started shaving the backs of his hands, then his wrists, arms and legs.
One day, during a run, Steve felt raindrops dappling his forearm. He couldn't remember ever feeling that sensation: rain right on his skin. He stopped and stood there, basking in it.
He canceled his weekly haircuts because he wanted his short crop to grow to his shoulders. He became a vegetarian and dropped 35 pounds. The hormones he was taking made him lose muscle tone. He could no longer get an erection. His breasts started to swell. He started having to wear tight undershirts beneath his dress shirts so his employees wouldn't notice.
Steve: "It was amazing, feeling those changes in my body, watching it evolve ... to what it was supposed to be."
Donna: "It was heartbreaking, seeing those changes in his body, watching him feminize himself. He was my man."
- - -
Steve was getting ready to go public. He told his brother and sister, who said they supported him. And he confided in the Largo police and fire chiefs, who were close friends as well as colleagues.
Steve chose Jan. 1, 2007, as the day he would tell Mayor Pat Gerard. She would be an important ally. Over the next few weeks, he would spill his secret to the city commissioners, then his employees. He planned to start coming to work as Susan in the summer. Sex change surgery was still way off, maybe a year or more.
At 7 a.m. the morning he was going to meet the mayor, he pulled out his journal to write about his anxieties. Travis had given him the book, a birthday gift.
Steve opened the cover. The first page was filled with loopy script.
"Dad," Travis had written. "I want to tell you that you're, like, the most perfect dad. You have taught me almost everything I know. Except for school stuff. I've had so much fun with you. My most favorite time was going to the Keys. ... I can't tell you how much I love you because it would fill up this whole book."
Steve turned the page, but he was too choked up to write.
He told the mayor that morning, but still didn't tell his son.
- - -
The two-year plan called for Steve to move out in March, while Travis was on spring break. After school was out, Donna would take Travis to her sister's house in Kansas. Then Steve would make his announcement.
But in February, someone leaked Steve's secret to the newspaper. A story was going to come out soon. That night, Steve called his dad. His mom died a few years ago.
Web Stanton hasn't seen his oldest son in years. "Have you thought about this?" he asked.
All my life, Steve said.
"Okay," his dad remembers saying. "I guess you do what you have to do."
The next day, at a press conference at City Hall, Steve told the world he planned to have a sex change operation and start using the name Susan. The news instantly spread on TV and the Web.
By that evening, Travis still hadn't heard. Steve and Donna sat down with him and told him. Are we still going to go scuba diving? Travis asked his dad. Are we still going to ride in the Jeep?
Of course, Steve assured him. Even when I look different, I'll still be your dad.
Travis had another question: Can I see Susan?
Steve unlocked the file cabinet in his study and pulled out two digital prints. He had used a timer and a tripod to take the photos in his own living room.
Travis stared at the pictures. "That's you?" he finally asked. "You look like a girl."
- - -
Steve stayed up late after the commissioners cast their votes and Naomi Judd sang and Donna and Travis hugged him at the door.
For the first time in years, he didn't write in his journal that night. Reporters hung around him all the next day. Almost a week would go by before he got the chance to take the leather-bound volume from his briefcase.
He finally wrote again late that Sunday, eight pages in a single voice, Steve and Susan musing together.
"I suspect my future will be in many Largos across the nation. We shall see," said the last paragraph. "I started this journey with a simple hope: Just to be me."

Epilogue
Since the city moved to fire him, news crews from across the country have knocked on Steve's door and set up cameras around his pool. Transgender advocates have urged him to join their cause and push for federal laws to protect people like him.
On Thursday, he appealed his dismissal with the help of a new lawyer from a gay and transgender advocacy group. He still loves Largo, he says, and doesn't want to leave.
He and Donna haven't decided when Steve will move out. They are trying to make things as easy as possible for Travis. They have talked to Travis' teachers and taken him to a family counselor.
Steve isn't sure when he'll start wearing Susan's clothes all the time. He says he's waiting for his hair to grow out so he doesn't have to wear a wig.
News researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this story.
About the story
Steve Stanton sat for hours of interviews and allowed a reporter to read passages from his journals. He gave permission to Dr. Kathleen Farrell, his psychologist, to speak to the Times about his treatment. Donna Stanton shared her story in a single, four-hour interview. Through his parents, Travis gave permission to quote from the note he wrote in his father's journal.
Lane DeGregory, a feature writer for the Times, can be reached at (727) 893-8825 or degregory@sptimes.com.
Lorri Helfand, who covers Largo, can be reached at (727) 445-4155 or lorri@sptimes.com.


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Thank you for that very interesting article. I've been following this closely as you know...its almost local news over here on the right coast. But that article really illustrates what a lot of us deal with. I did see a good part of myself in there, but for Susan to deal and cope with this in the public spotlight...well!!!!! From the day I first read about her, my main feelings were for her...to pray that she gets what she wants. Often we get to a point in our life where it dawns on us that we have been doing everything for everyone...and ignoring ourselves. I do feel bad for her family but as the article mentioned....is a dead father better?
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Thanks, Danielle,
I sat here reading this, crying, wiping tears, rereading, seeing Virginia, a few more tears. I, like Dee Dee, see Virignia and my sisters in various aspects of this. Fortunately or unfortunately, I did not have to deal with the beauty of our "gift" presenting herself when I was younger and I did not have to deal with the actual purging and asking myself the 'whys?' of it all! When Virginia came out to/in me it was the old "Wham Bam - thank you maam!" and she was there like it or not! I liked it, loved it, and you know what I say, I am loving my "Magical Mystery Tour!" As some know, I had a very close relationship with a girl who I met and helped her through her SRS. It was worth a doctorate degree in human relations! I learned things that I did not even know existed, about her, myself and society!
I am the luckiest girl in the world to have found my soul mate through this forum. She is to me unique among women!!! The things we do, that we feel, that are us, no one could begin to understand. We have decided not to share them with anyone else, they would not believe us anyway, so we just hold hands, smile knowingly at each other, and skip on down the path of what is now OUR "Magical Mystery Tour!"
I am happy for Susan, I hope she finds herself and who's to say that she did not participate with us for a while under some alias! Maybe we helped her on her journey and I know everyone here wishes her only the best.
This is real, this, this GID, but it isn't a disorder - it is simply a transition of the human species and we are leading the way! Yes, we are the next phase in the evolution and I would not trade it for the world!
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Pivotal friend votes for his firing

To her, Stanton's ouster is fair. To Largo's former city manager, the decision is discriminatory.

By LORRI HELFAND
Published March 25, 2007

LARGO - Of all of Steve Stanton's bosses, she seemed the most likely to change her mind.

Largo City Commissioner Gay Gentry had a reputation for voting her conscience even when it was extremely unpopular.

And four years ago, she supported a proposed citywide law that would have protected gay and transgender people from discrimination.

But, in the end, her vote helped seal Stanton's fate.

Early Saturday, a month after Stanton revealed he planned to become a woman, Gentry and four other commissioners agreed for a second time to fire Stanton, 48, who had served as city manager for 14 years.

It takes five of the commission's seven votes to fire a city manager.

As Stanton's story continues to unfold on the national stage, many will dismiss his termination early Saturday after a six-hour public hearing as discrimination.

But Gentry said after a night's rest that her vote was far more complicated: that for her it was Stanton's decision to become a woman that made her look anew at how he performed in his job while a man.

Employees, she said she had learned, were afraid of him and his expectation of perfection. Now he, she believed, sought more understanding and tolerance than he had displayed as a manager.

"It could have been anything," she said. "Suddenly the rules were changing and he was asking to be dealt with in a different way than he was dealing with people."

Stanton, reached midday Saturday, stood by his managerial choices and the controversial firings, which included veteran fire officials and a public works employee who chose to stay with his elderly mother when a hurricane was expected to hit.

"Every one of those employment decisions were correct and proper," Stanton said.

He disagrees that Gentry's vote wasn't discriminatory.

But Stanton didn't seem to want to dwell on Gentry or the vote. He said he still hasn't decided whether he will sue the city. Over the next two months or so, he plans to become Susan and start the process of legally changing his name.

He was happy that his story was covered locally and nationally by CNN, Newsweek and a crew from Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. Public speakers at Friday night's meeting had overwhelmingly supported him.

"I'm on cloud nine. It went super. It went great," Stanton said. "This is not about Steve keeping his job exclusively. It was about supplying information and education about something that people just don't understand."

Stanton hasn't decided what he'll do next. He may be a city manager elsewhere down the road. He has been contacted by "numerous recruiters," he said.

Stanton still regards the city commissioners as his friends.

"I'm not sitting here crying about being fired," he said.

- - -

When Stanton confided in Gentry earlier this year, Stanton thought she would support him. She was the first commissioner he told besides Mayor Pat Gerard. The two were the only commissioners who knew about his choice weeks before the St. Petersburg Times approached him on Feb. 20.

But Gentry insisted her decision didn't have anything to do with transgenderism. She could support his "hard-nosed, my-way-or-the-highway" leadership style "provided he held himself to the same standards," she said.

Gentry said she had concerns about his dealings with employees before. She mentioned them to him, but she didn't push him to change. She didn't want to micromanage him.

But once Stanton announced his intentions - and requested the City Commission grant him the time to convince city employees he could do his job as a woman - Gentry said she felt it was time to scrutinize personnel issues more closely. And she called former and current employees.

They told her that he was quick to fire, he didn't accept them for what they were, and he wasn't always understanding when they had medical issues of their own, she said. "He had not done for them what he wanted them to do for him," she said.

Stanton's attorney, Karen Doering, senior counsel for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said people often come up with a variety of reasons to justify discrimination after someone reveals they are transgender.

But Gentry said she would have made the same decision if his job was on the line for any reason.

Some who spoke against Stanton over the past month have said his choice was weird, perverse and against God. And they may be pleased about his firing, she said.

"There are people out there that are real happy and they're happy for the wrong reasons," she said.

Gentry, a church elder at Hope Presbyterian Church, said she thinks being a transsexual is a medical issue. "I still consider him my friend," Gentry said.

Lorri Helfand can be reached at 727 445-4155 or lorri@sptimes.com.

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"But once Stanton announced his intentions - and requested the City Commission grant him the time to convince city employees he could do his job as a woman - Gentry said she felt it was time to scrutinize personnel issues more closely. And she called former and current employees.

They told her that he was quick to fire, he didn't accept them for what they were, and he wasn't always understanding when they had medical issues of their own, she said. "He had not done for them what he wanted them to do for him," she said.

Stanton's attorney, Karen Doering, senior counsel for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said people often come up with a variety of reasons to justify discrimination after someone reveals they are transgender."
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No matter how you slice the cake, people make decisions based rather often on their perceptions of public acceptance. Ms. Gentry has done the same. While, Stanton "was" considered for 14 years a "good choice," he started wearing a "black hat," after his "outing" by the Sp-Times newspaper on the internet web site.

As our American judicial process has proven time and again, people knowingly bring to the judgement table their personal predjudices, bar none, lock, stock and barrel. That is why we have "jury specialists," that assist the defense in trying to "pick" the most considerate jury members that they can find for a non-guilty verdict.

Unfortunately, Stanton did not have the luxury of picking the "commisioner" members. They brought with them their own personal predjudices and those of other ex-employees and employees that had an "ax to grind," and this was perfect timing to do so.

The variables that were used to define Stanton were not unusual, just not really relevent to why he was being fired. He presented a very public display of personal change in manner and dress. Bottom line!

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Well I sent Lorrie an Email and told her that "we" are everyone and everywhere, "even reporters." I ended with the fact that the next male she meets, just keep us in mind!
I have the "been there done that!" syndrome of having faced extreme prejudice when I was terminated, but mine was based on the fact that I just knew too much about what was going on!
Again, I only hope for the best for Susan and that a bolt of lightning strikes some of these "holier than thou" bible thumpers and they see the light - yeah, like that is going to happen!
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While this is another case... I think that it belongs here for those that are following the legal aspects of TG life.

Man says ex-wife's sex change should end alimony obligation
By PHIL DAVIS
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CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) -- Lawrence Roach agreed to pay alimony to the woman he divorced, not the man she became after a sex change, his lawyers argued Tuesday in an effort to end the payments.
But the ex-wife's attorneys said the operation doesn't alter the agreement.
The lawyers and Circuit Judge Jack R. St. Arnold agreed the case delves into relatively unchartered legal territory. They found only a 2004 Ohio case that addressed whether or not a transsexual could still collect alimony after a sex change.
"There is not a lot out there to help us," St. Arnold said.
Roach and his wife, Julia, divorced in 2004 after 18 years of marriage. The 48-year-old utility worker agreed to pay her $1,250 a month in alimony. Since then, Julia Roach, 55, had a sex change and legally changed her name to Julio Roberto Silverwolf.
"It's illegal for a man to marry a man and it should likewise be illegal for a man to pay alimony to a man," Roach's attorney John McGuire said. "When she changed to man, I believe she terminated that alimony."
Silverwolf did not appear in court Tuesday and has declined to talk about the divorce. His lawyer, Gregory Nevins, said the language of the divorce decree is clear and firm - Roach agreed to pay alimony until his ex-wife dies or remarries.
"Those two things haven't happened," said Nevins, a senior staff attorney with the national gay rights group Lambda Legal.
Arnold is considering the arguments. But lawyers on both sides agreed Tuesday that Roach will likely have to keep paying alimony to Silverwolf.
The judge poked holes in several of Roach's legal arguments and noted that appeals courts have declined to legally recognize a sex change in Florida when it comes to marriage. The appellate court "is telling us you are what you are when you are born," Arnold said.
In the Ohio case, an appeals court ruled in September 2004 that a Montgomery County man must continue to pay $750 a month in alimony to his transsexual ex-wife because her sex change wasn't reason enough to violate the agreement.
Roach's other attorney, John Smitten, said the case falls into a legal void.
"It's probably something that has to be addressed by the Legislature," Smitten said. "There is one other case in the entire United States. It really needs to be addressed either for or against the concept of eliminating alimony for that reason."
Roach, who has since remarried, said has been unable to convince state and federal lawmakers to tackle the issue. He said he will continue to fight.
"This is definitely wrong. I have a right to move forward with my life. I wish no harm and hardship to that person," Roach said of his ex-wife. "They can be the person they want to be, to find happiness and peace within themselves. I have the right to do the same. But I can't rest because I'm paying a lot of money every month."
The legal fight is the second transsexual rights showdown in Pinellas County in less than a week. On Friday, transsexual activists from around the country packed a City Commission meeting in neighboring Largo to oppose the firing of City Manager Steve Stanton after he announced he was a transsexual.
Despite the support, commissioners voted 5-2 to fire Stanton.

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I think that we can already see they legal system must continue to support what they say. Depending on which foot is wearing the shoe, can make the difference. Here we find that "SRS" will not disqualify a person from receiving their alimony check. On the other hand or foot, :lol:
we also see that the dbl edged sword can be beneficial but delaying the TG communities desire to be "recognized."

I am sure that as you consider this, "having our cake and eating it too" presents several issues that are going to have a profound effect on the TG world in general. Something will have to change and when it does, a person seeking SRS will have to choose carefully, as to how it will affect them.

I make no choice or opinion but I think it is rather obvious that some would be unhappy with the loss of their alimony after SRS. Someday, we will not have it both ways and then of course we will be emancipated by society and recognized but to what shagrin!

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Well as I have said, "It is the pioneers that take the arrows!" If nothing else "we" are being recognized as "existing!" and that is a good thing. Yes, some of the pioneers are going right for the throat, good, bad or indifferent and yes they are "taking the arrows" for a lot of us who at this stage will be happy just to be able to use the ladies room without getting "busted."
Everyone gets laughed at - remember the comedian that told the story about going to the park with his 6 year old and a lady tipping the scales at, well she was equatorially challenged (how's that for PC?) she has on a pair of "Guess" jeans, the name prominently displayed on the back pocket. This guy's son begins yelling at her "260 - 275 - 300???"
Anyway, we who brave the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" by going out amongst the great unwashed can be assaulted, verbally and unfortunately, physically. Will that ever end - Yes!, but not in our lifetimes.
So we make what inroads we can and hope to make life easier for our sisters that follow us on the "Magical Mystery Tour!"
I actually got a reply from Lorri, the reporterette from the SP. Brief, but ambiguous. She said she was glad that I did not know her position on how she felt about Susan Stanton, but she felt it was a subject that needed to be covered!
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Next step: life after Stanton
The acting city manager says "we're moving on" past the uncertainty and controversy.
By LORRI HELFAND
Published March 27, 2007

LARGO - No demonstrators were in the front courtyard on Monday. No news trucks parked outside.
And the City Commission secretary fielded just a handful of calls.
"It's just another day at City Hall," said Norton "Mac" Craig, assistant city manager, who was appointed acting city manager a month ago.
Two days after City Manager Steve Stanton was fired, Craig spent the day trying to get the city's focus back on work and off the controversy that unfolded after Stanton's disclosure last month that he intends to become a woman.
Craig met with half the staff Monday - hundreds of employees - and plans to meet with the rest by the end of the week.
"Nobody likes turmoil and we've gone through a brief period of not knowing what was going to happen. Now we do know and we're moving on," Craig said.
Craig, 70, will be Largo's chief administrator for now. But it was clear Monday that the seven city commissioners are just now starting to think about how to permanently replace Stanton. And when.
Vice Mayor Harriet Crozier has suggested city leaders hold off discussions until July.
But other commissioners want to move sooner.
"I don't want to wait too long," said Commissioner Andy Guyette. He suggested they talk about it at an upcoming retreat in April.
Mayor Pat Gerard wants to get started soon because it could take months to hire someone.
But Commissioner Gay Gentry said she is not in a rush because the city is in good hands, with Craig and Henry Schubert, assistant city manager.
Both men said they plan to pursue the city's top job.
"I love the city. I like the people that work here and I get along very well with them. It's a great job," said Craig, who came to the city in 2000 as environmental services director.
Craig said he'd like to foster more affordable housing and support the city's long-term redevelopment goals.
Schubert, 53, said he wants to help keep the city on track, too.
"In the time I've worked for the city, I've seen the city make strides forward. There have been significant accomplishments and I think I could continue that forward progress," said Schubert, who has worked for the city for 26 years.
Commissioner Rodney Woods said he'd like to promote a candidate from within.
Gerard said she supports considering internal candidates but also would want a national search.
"We were on the brink of doing some major things and we need somebody who's kind of savvy about that stuff," she said.
Stanton's untraditional exit may have little impact on the hiring of a new city manager, according to Colin Baenziger, whose firm Colin Baenziger & Associates of Wellington specializes in Florida municipal candidates.
On the plus side, candidates are going to see a solidly run city with a previous manager who served 14 years, longer than the usual five- or six-year tenure of most managers, he said.
"Obviously, Largo's been through a trying time and people will draw their own conclusions. But the bottom line with most managers is that they're eternal optimists. They think they can fix any problem or situation," he said.
Lorri Helfand can be reached at 445-4155 or lorri@sptimes.com.
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Norton "Mac" Craig
Assistant city manager since February 2004.

Craig came to the city in 2000 as environmental services director.

Prior job: Deputy district director for the Florida Department of Environmental Protection's Tampa office.
Retired Army lieutenant colonel, command chemical officer and Vietnam veteran with 29 years of service.
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I would like to say that I am surprised but of course I am not. All of the worker ants have returned to their posts. The "Mound" is quiet one again and everyone is going about their daily routine. "Much ado about nothing," a famous quote as it is, tells us how we react to sudden change.

This may not be over yet. Susan can still file for judicial appeals in court. She really should if the legal help is offered pro-bono. After all, she should have known what was going to happen and I suspect that she did. Living in these times, anyone could see how people would react. People are afraid of anything that appears different and living in the "now," is all we have for the moment.

Take heart in that like in any "sport," this may only be half-time.

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Your use of the sport analogy is as good as any! Those of us who are "put into the game" but "the coach," everyday, strap on our helments, hike up our skirts and go forth to do battle with the "great unwashed!" We have to admire those who do and I salute my sisters on this forum and everywhere else who think the term "weaker sex" is bull!!!!
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just a quick note....Susan Stanton is scheduled to be interviewed tonight (4-13) on the Larry King show.....CNN at 9pm eastern
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Stanton ready to go national

He will discuss his case on Larry King Live on Thursday.

By LORRI HELFAND
Published April 11, 2007

Steve Stanton is poised to join a national campaign to make America more aware of the plight of transgender people.

Fired as Largo's city manager a month after he acknowledged he planned to become a woman named Susan, Stanton is writing a book and plans to lobby Congress.

Thursday night, he's slated to appear with his attorney on Larry King Live. And next week, the Daily Show with Jon Stewart is scheduled to broadcast its take on his case.

Stanton will announce whether he'll sue his former employer on Larry King, said his lawyer, Karen Doering, senior counsel for the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

She wouldn't say what Stanton will do, but did say Stanton has a "winnable" case.

"When the city terminated him they engaged in illegal discrimination," she said.

Largo officials expect a lawsuit.

"I can't imagine you go on Larry King to announce you're not going to sue," City Attorney Alan Zimmet said. "For the first time in my career, I can watch an announcement that my client's going to be sued on national TV."

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A lawsuit, however, would be just one piece of Stanton's emergence as an advocate for transgender people.

Mayor Pat Gerard and other officials said Stanton told them he was writing a book about his transition.

Stanton also is gearing up to lobby Congress for federal legislation to protect gay and transgender people from discrimination.

Simon Aronoff, deputy director National Center for Transgender Equality, said Stanton will join his organization in Washington, D.C., next month to lobby Congress for the transgender-inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

As a polished, well-spoken professional, Stanton makes for an effective spokesperson.

"My guess is that he'd someday be on a show like Oprah or Dr. Phil, and that's when he'll really get the big exposure," Largo City Commissioner Andy Guyette said.

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If Stanton does sue, legal experts disagree on whether he would win.

Florida and federal laws don't include transgender people as a protected class. But some federal courts and state agencies have said transgender people can be the targets of discriminatory stereotyping.

Stanton could file a discrimination complaint with the state, with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission or both.

Or, as a government employee, he could go straight to court and sue the city under the Constitution's equal protection clause.

"He has an excellent case, but not necessarily an easy one," said Jillian Weiss, assistant professor of law and society at Ramapo College of New Jersey. She pointed to three cases handled by the Florida Commission on Human Relations that could help Stanton.

In 1992, the commission sided with a corrections officer fired after he was found wearing a woman's bathing suit in an isolated area while changing his flat tire. The commission said that transsexualism was a handicap under Florida law.

In 2004, the commission supported a transgender Brevard County Sheriff's Office employee. While it dismissed a discrimination complaint based on disability, it said the employee had grounds for a discrimination complaint on the basis of sex.

Citing a U.S. Supreme Court case that said sex discrimination can include stereotyping of how a woman should look or act, the commission said transsexuals "may maintain an action for discrimination based on sex."

And last year, the Florida commission sided with Largo resident Madalynn Shepley, an RV mechanic fired after she transitioned.

The commission ordered Lazy Days RV Center to give Shepley her job back and to cover back pay and attorneys fees.

The commission also said Lazy Days' justification to fire Shepley was a pretext - or an after-the-fact excuse - for discrimination.

Doering has made similar claims in Stanton's case.

But Shepley's attorney, Craig Berman, said Stanton's case is different from Shepley's because Stanton was fired before he became Susan. Still, he predicted the city would try to avoid a drawn-out court battle.

"I'm sure they'll settle," Berman said. "It's too messy for everyone."

Considering those Florida commission cases and federal precedents, Stanton "has a strong basis for a lawsuit," said Juan Perea, a professor who specializes in employment law at the University of Florida.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which encompasses federal district courts in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee, twice ruled that the federal Civil Rights Act can protect the employment of transgender people, one a firefighter, the other a police officer.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers Alabama, Florida and Georgia, hasn't ruled on the issue yet, meaning that Stanton could provide a test case.

But one legal scholar notes that the circuit tends to be conservative, pro-employer and pro-state.

"Given the nature of the 11th Circuit, I'm not optimistic," said Paul Secunda, assistant professor at the University of Mississippi School of Law.

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OUSTED LARGO, FLORIDA CITY MANAGER TO APPEAR ON LARRY KING FRIDAY
National Center for Lesbian Rights Client and Attorney to Announce Future Plans

(St. Petersburg, Florida, April 9, 2007) – National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR) client Steven Stanton and NCLR Senior Counsel Karen Doering will appear on Larry King to discuss Stanton's future plans after being ousted as the City Manager of Largo, Florida. The interview will air on CNN Friday, April 13th.

On March 23, 2007, the Largo, Florida City Commission voted 5-2 to terminate Stanton after learning that he is transsexual and intends to transition from male to female. Stanton served as the Largo City Manager for the past 14 years, and consistently received excellent reviews.

On Friday, April 13, Stanton and NCLR will issue a statement.

That is T-O-N-I-G-H-T......

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