Hi Girls:
http://www.alaska.net/~kathryn/kathryn.htm
If you think that you cannot possibly blend in because you have upper body strength or you have the double trbl, upper strength and you are over 5'11" tall or more, go to Kathryn's web page and look at her photos from 2007 and back. You will quickly see that with the right frame of mind, a woman is a woman!
I recently added Kathryn's web page to the Public Search Engine that I edit, DMOZ.ORG.... The Open Directory Project.
I am sure that you will see the possibilities are endless with the right positive attitude. Perhaps you see a little of yourself in her!
Hugs
Danielle Marie
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Virginia
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Well Virginia is going to her soap box ------- again!!!!!
SL and I went to one of our favorite "people watching/pizza places" last night!
Well the one thing I can say is that when a GG rolls out of bed each morning and her feet hit the floor --------- she is still a GG!!!! We on the other hand have to work at it -- well most of us have to and we do!!!!!
What we saw was, well the GG's on this forum can take me to the wood shed, but the facts speak for themselves. Now granted this was an all you can eat pizza buffet, but the pizza is hot and its good and I know pizza and they have a great salad bar! Sorry, not the point, just making excuses, I guess.
Anyway, why any girl, lady, woman, GG, whatever would let herself evolve to such a presentation is well, it's beyond me!!!!!!!! Three girls come to mind, they were together. One had on a sort of sun dress. She had calves that any pro body builder would have been proud of. Her hair was stringy and dirty and the rolls of fat around her waist were more than plentiful. My guess 150 - 160 pounds at 5'4". Her two girl friends were in jeans. Both, both had guts/stomachs that a beer drinker would have been more than proud of and their guts stuck out beyond their chests, supported by their tight jeans, both of them, and of course no make-up. Now both were also single and both were not that big, I'd say under 170 pounds and they were young, mid-20's and in my considered opinion, could be attractive, but showed absolutely no, NO pride in their appearance. They were not the only ones, but well, it's my pet peeve, I guess. I just don't get it!!!! Why any woman with the potential to be attractive, lets themselves go like that. One other lady was there with I assume was her mother and two guys, husbands, brothers don't know. Anyway, my guess is later 30's, stingy, bleach-blond, unkempt hair. I saw her load her plate from the buffet at least 3 times, now this lady was, as it is sometimes described, as wide as she was tall, in shorts and the rolls of fat just hung off her legs and arms. She seemed to be very cheerful and I can tell she is probably a very nice person, but ............. why? Do these folks not know, don't care, are so uneducated as to diet, or do they just have a death wish??? I know, I know, some folks have a eating disorders, etc., but you don't solve that by going to an all-you-can-eat pizza buffet!!!!
SL and I go there once or twice a month, mainly just for the "show" but also I want to check on "Big Owl." He is the security guy for the strip mall and rides around in an old beat up Chevy Trailblazer with a flashing yellow light on the dash board and Disabled license plates! His license tag has "Big Owl" on it and yes, I have talked to him and he is a real nice guy! Late 60's, early 70's. I always tell the manager to make sure "Big Owl" gets some pizza. He has a police radio and if something is amiss he simply calls the cops on the radio!
It brings up my previous thread about the built-in radar that we seem to have, in that if you saw any of these girls from a distance they could immediately be recognized as women even given their physical presentation.
Well, as I said it is just my pet peeve, that sometimes the thing that we all admire and strive to acquire can get distorted to the point of being totally unrecognizable!
Love ya,
Virginia
SL and I went to one of our favorite "people watching/pizza places" last night!
Well the one thing I can say is that when a GG rolls out of bed each morning and her feet hit the floor --------- she is still a GG!!!! We on the other hand have to work at it -- well most of us have to and we do!!!!!
What we saw was, well the GG's on this forum can take me to the wood shed, but the facts speak for themselves. Now granted this was an all you can eat pizza buffet, but the pizza is hot and its good and I know pizza and they have a great salad bar! Sorry, not the point, just making excuses, I guess.
Anyway, why any girl, lady, woman, GG, whatever would let herself evolve to such a presentation is well, it's beyond me!!!!!!!! Three girls come to mind, they were together. One had on a sort of sun dress. She had calves that any pro body builder would have been proud of. Her hair was stringy and dirty and the rolls of fat around her waist were more than plentiful. My guess 150 - 160 pounds at 5'4". Her two girl friends were in jeans. Both, both had guts/stomachs that a beer drinker would have been more than proud of and their guts stuck out beyond their chests, supported by their tight jeans, both of them, and of course no make-up. Now both were also single and both were not that big, I'd say under 170 pounds and they were young, mid-20's and in my considered opinion, could be attractive, but showed absolutely no, NO pride in their appearance. They were not the only ones, but well, it's my pet peeve, I guess. I just don't get it!!!! Why any woman with the potential to be attractive, lets themselves go like that. One other lady was there with I assume was her mother and two guys, husbands, brothers don't know. Anyway, my guess is later 30's, stingy, bleach-blond, unkempt hair. I saw her load her plate from the buffet at least 3 times, now this lady was, as it is sometimes described, as wide as she was tall, in shorts and the rolls of fat just hung off her legs and arms. She seemed to be very cheerful and I can tell she is probably a very nice person, but ............. why? Do these folks not know, don't care, are so uneducated as to diet, or do they just have a death wish??? I know, I know, some folks have a eating disorders, etc., but you don't solve that by going to an all-you-can-eat pizza buffet!!!!
SL and I go there once or twice a month, mainly just for the "show" but also I want to check on "Big Owl." He is the security guy for the strip mall and rides around in an old beat up Chevy Trailblazer with a flashing yellow light on the dash board and Disabled license plates! His license tag has "Big Owl" on it and yes, I have talked to him and he is a real nice guy! Late 60's, early 70's. I always tell the manager to make sure "Big Owl" gets some pizza. He has a police radio and if something is amiss he simply calls the cops on the radio!
It brings up my previous thread about the built-in radar that we seem to have, in that if you saw any of these girls from a distance they could immediately be recognized as women even given their physical presentation.
Well, as I said it is just my pet peeve, that sometimes the thing that we all admire and strive to acquire can get distorted to the point of being totally unrecognizable!
Love ya,
Virginia
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Hi Girls:
One of the things that I do is examine human behavior and compare it to my knowledge base as such. I always wanted to better understand my self as an individual and there by perhaps understand the actions of others.
First and foremost I have learned about being judgmental. How it is that when I see something that I do not approve of, I have this negative feeling and find myself being judgmental about it. I have come to believe that it is a natural human trait this function. We all do it as a matter of survival. We need to determine the friend or foe status of someone in our visual path. Survival first, is the mantra of our early hominids.
So this trait along with many others that we have adopted through the early development of the human species is with us today. The difference is that we have grown to better understand our development and now have schools of thought about such matters.
I have a simple rule for myself. I am a person. Not a “he” or “she” or “it.” I am a person. My spouse is a person. All that I ask of both of us is to look at the other person with respect. In the same token, I expect that each person will examine their appearance and how they present themselves with the thought of how the other person in their life views them. After all, we spend more time in front of them than we do the mirror. So, what they see should be of concern to the presenting person.
I have nothing to gain by forcing my spouse to “deal with Danielle Marie.” Nothing! It would be only for me that I would do this. Knowing that it is incomprehensible for my spouse to acknowledge or accept my alternate personality and presentation. If I am to be responsible, I must take this into account and act accordingly as I would expect of my spouse to do the same and respect my visual perceptions as well.
The rubber meets the road when my spouse for as many years, felt unable to live up to my expectations. I was not demanding, I only wanted what would be the best possible outcome and most healthy for my spouse. No one needs to be pencil thin. But, each person has programming from their DNA that can be seen in the appearance and size, shape etc of their personal “space suit” (body type). You inherit a great deal via your DNA. Personality type, body type etc., it is all there neatly wrapped up in your DNA.
Now, how about the conscious part of our humanity. That is the part that “law and order” deals with. The part that says, okay, you see that your weight is getting out of hand. That it is not healthy for you. What is it that makes that mental decision to diet or not to diet. To stop the hand-to-mouth living you are doing and take control? That is the billion dollar question (ask the fat-cats of the diet industry)? The answer is so complex that to understand it, you will need to go and purchase 128 die of 8 different colors (dice). Take the die and place into a large cup, one color group (16 die) at a time, spill them out onto a table.
Randomly place the die into a horizontal line. Take a sheet of paper and make 8 columns and indicate the color group for each at the top. After the first roll out, record the die number in the order that you placed them on the horizontal line. IE… RED: 6434132563425463. Do this with each color group one time and record the resulting order.
Needless to say, to better understand what makes humans do what they do, you would need to perform this task several hundred thousand times just to get at the starting point.
This is why, when we see someone that in our opinion is overweight, we have many feelings that pass through our minds. Judgments if you will. We would never permit “ourselves” to get that big. To look that poorly or nasty. Yikes! Why would they present such a disgusting image based on our perceptions of what is good, bad, right, wrong, acceptable or not acceptable. Of course the answer lies in the complexities of human behavior.
My spouse is a “Hatfield-McCoy” type from day one. My spouse was born and raised in the eastern mountain range of southern Ohio. The most southern “Appalachian” hills and we all know what our society thinks of that. At times, this well known concept of behavior is dominant in my spouse. There is no changing that. 38 years later, I have come to the conclusion that a person that is wired that way, stays that way pretty much. I on the other hand as well am wired a certain way and reflect that in my education, beliefs, attitudes etc.
For some reason, I have adopted the concept that ….. I am that I am. Simple! No fancy math! No explanation on an academic level. “I am that I am.” Let someone else find out why. I present the image that I need to present at the time. “I am that I am.” I take great pride in that and take the responsibility to support the regimen that keeps my space suit looking the best that I can hope for. I like to think that I am in charge of this for which I know, it is just DNA at work. I take what I have and try to be consistent with the support and maintenance of my “space suit.” That is the best that "I am that I am," can do.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
One of the things that I do is examine human behavior and compare it to my knowledge base as such. I always wanted to better understand my self as an individual and there by perhaps understand the actions of others.
First and foremost I have learned about being judgmental. How it is that when I see something that I do not approve of, I have this negative feeling and find myself being judgmental about it. I have come to believe that it is a natural human trait this function. We all do it as a matter of survival. We need to determine the friend or foe status of someone in our visual path. Survival first, is the mantra of our early hominids.
So this trait along with many others that we have adopted through the early development of the human species is with us today. The difference is that we have grown to better understand our development and now have schools of thought about such matters.
I have a simple rule for myself. I am a person. Not a “he” or “she” or “it.” I am a person. My spouse is a person. All that I ask of both of us is to look at the other person with respect. In the same token, I expect that each person will examine their appearance and how they present themselves with the thought of how the other person in their life views them. After all, we spend more time in front of them than we do the mirror. So, what they see should be of concern to the presenting person.
I have nothing to gain by forcing my spouse to “deal with Danielle Marie.” Nothing! It would be only for me that I would do this. Knowing that it is incomprehensible for my spouse to acknowledge or accept my alternate personality and presentation. If I am to be responsible, I must take this into account and act accordingly as I would expect of my spouse to do the same and respect my visual perceptions as well.
The rubber meets the road when my spouse for as many years, felt unable to live up to my expectations. I was not demanding, I only wanted what would be the best possible outcome and most healthy for my spouse. No one needs to be pencil thin. But, each person has programming from their DNA that can be seen in the appearance and size, shape etc of their personal “space suit” (body type). You inherit a great deal via your DNA. Personality type, body type etc., it is all there neatly wrapped up in your DNA.
Now, how about the conscious part of our humanity. That is the part that “law and order” deals with. The part that says, okay, you see that your weight is getting out of hand. That it is not healthy for you. What is it that makes that mental decision to diet or not to diet. To stop the hand-to-mouth living you are doing and take control? That is the billion dollar question (ask the fat-cats of the diet industry)? The answer is so complex that to understand it, you will need to go and purchase 128 die of 8 different colors (dice). Take the die and place into a large cup, one color group (16 die) at a time, spill them out onto a table.
Randomly place the die into a horizontal line. Take a sheet of paper and make 8 columns and indicate the color group for each at the top. After the first roll out, record the die number in the order that you placed them on the horizontal line. IE… RED: 6434132563425463. Do this with each color group one time and record the resulting order.
Needless to say, to better understand what makes humans do what they do, you would need to perform this task several hundred thousand times just to get at the starting point.
This is why, when we see someone that in our opinion is overweight, we have many feelings that pass through our minds. Judgments if you will. We would never permit “ourselves” to get that big. To look that poorly or nasty. Yikes! Why would they present such a disgusting image based on our perceptions of what is good, bad, right, wrong, acceptable or not acceptable. Of course the answer lies in the complexities of human behavior.
My spouse is a “Hatfield-McCoy” type from day one. My spouse was born and raised in the eastern mountain range of southern Ohio. The most southern “Appalachian” hills and we all know what our society thinks of that. At times, this well known concept of behavior is dominant in my spouse. There is no changing that. 38 years later, I have come to the conclusion that a person that is wired that way, stays that way pretty much. I on the other hand as well am wired a certain way and reflect that in my education, beliefs, attitudes etc.
For some reason, I have adopted the concept that ….. I am that I am. Simple! No fancy math! No explanation on an academic level. “I am that I am.” Let someone else find out why. I present the image that I need to present at the time. “I am that I am.” I take great pride in that and take the responsibility to support the regimen that keeps my space suit looking the best that I can hope for. I like to think that I am in charge of this for which I know, it is just DNA at work. I take what I have and try to be consistent with the support and maintenance of my “space suit.” That is the best that "I am that I am," can do.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
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Virginia
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Hey Hon,
"I am that I am." "I take great pride......................" It's the DNA?????? Is it the DNA that says, I don't need to wash my hair, clean my hands, wash my face, wear clean clothes when I go out in public?? Is it DNA that says, I am not fat just because my "way too tight jeans support a beer gut that sticks out further than my boobs do!" That "you don't sign my paycheck so I ain't gonna wash my hair when I go out in public and if I want to wear ill-fitting, dirty clothes into a restaurant, don't blame me, its my DNA." ?!?
Sorry, can't buy it!!
A propensity to be overweight, yes, I can buy that, it could be genetic, but if one accepts the fact that yes I am overweight, but I don't have to look like a slob and be overweight as well. They are not going to find the cure - if indeed they are aware or even looking for a cure - in an all you can eat pizza buffet!
Personally, I know I could be friends with the girls in question, I am sure they are nice, we would have little in common, but I could still smile, shake their hand (well, maybe), but be civil to them; I would just be curious as to why they are what they present themselves as.
DNA is not an excuse for poor hygiene and ......................!?!
Well, I'm done, tired, nice long day on the lake, and a girl needs her beauty sleep!
Love ya,
Virginia
"I am that I am." "I take great pride......................" It's the DNA?????? Is it the DNA that says, I don't need to wash my hair, clean my hands, wash my face, wear clean clothes when I go out in public?? Is it DNA that says, I am not fat just because my "way too tight jeans support a beer gut that sticks out further than my boobs do!" That "you don't sign my paycheck so I ain't gonna wash my hair when I go out in public and if I want to wear ill-fitting, dirty clothes into a restaurant, don't blame me, its my DNA." ?!?
Sorry, can't buy it!!
A propensity to be overweight, yes, I can buy that, it could be genetic, but if one accepts the fact that yes I am overweight, but I don't have to look like a slob and be overweight as well. They are not going to find the cure - if indeed they are aware or even looking for a cure - in an all you can eat pizza buffet!
Personally, I know I could be friends with the girls in question, I am sure they are nice, we would have little in common, but I could still smile, shake their hand (well, maybe), but be civil to them; I would just be curious as to why they are what they present themselves as.
DNA is not an excuse for poor hygiene and ......................!?!
Well, I'm done, tired, nice long day on the lake, and a girl needs her beauty sleep!
Love ya,
Virginia
First star to the right, then straight on 'till mornin!
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Danielle La Belle
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Hi Virginia:
I cannot disagree about hygiene. My spouse when we married had no bathroom in her house. The farm had a two-seater outhouse about 100 feet from the back door. It gets rather cold in the winter in S. Ohio of course, snow etc., and I was there in December 1969 on my first introduction to the family after our marriage the previous August.
In the 50’s and 60’ s around my home with a family of 4 children, we got a bath once each week. That’s right. We washed our hair 1 time per week on Saturday night as children. This went on right into high school until when I was in sports and got to use the school facilities after gym and sports events.
I think that people forget that it was not until the 70’s that all the emphasis started on the right soap, lotion, shampoos, etc. Until then, ivory and dial were the big names. Prell and Break shampoo, then a third entry, a Dandruff Shampoo made it’s entry into the market. Until then, you never saw anyone making a big deal over little flakes on dark clothing in commercials.
That is how I remember it. My point. I never felt unclean or in poor hygiene during that time. Of course I always enjoyed the idea of a daily shower in the Army and until that and high school gym, I only got a bath, no shower in the home and once a week.
People were not so pre-occupied with such matters. Now today we are flooded with the idea and the shelves are overflowing with such articles, all for the most part, using the basic same chemicals that were developed in the late 60’s in New Jersey.
In 1964 with the advent of “The Beatles,” everyone was washing there hair and wanted the fine dry look of a “Beatles” haircut, me too. That began blow dryers in the home etc. It killed the oily hair look and the likes of “Vitalis” and “Brill hair cream.” Today, kids and young men under 50, have their hair cut short and spiked. They use some form of jell to hold the hair up to make it look wet.
I am of the opinion that the women that we have been talking about are in part being effected by nature and nurture. No one has said to them, “hey, you know if you were to lose some weight, wash your hair and style it, you would look rather cute!” Something tells me they are told a great deal but not that. Something tells me that if we carefully consider the family DNA, and the nurturing that they did or did not get, that this might help better understand the way they think.
I too want to know what it is that makes them think there appearance is appealing to others. Perhaps, in their social environment it is. ????? The men they associate with may be of the same thinking and one might normally just want to avoid these people all together. So, they too may have a few questions for us Virginia. While we easily meet the current standards of hygiene, our mode of dress, as beautiful as we are, in their opinion might be of great question.
I understand your points very well. I too cannot really understand their thinking and how it is that they would go in public looking that way. Nor do I understand the young man with size 50 pants, tied with a rope around his lower abdomen so that ¾ of his underwear is showing. I guess that is a teenager thing. They look absolutely ridiculous. I saw one exit from a car last week and his pants feel down to his ankles. Oh my God did I laugh! Hilarious! If he had a gun, he would have “Capped”(killed) me with the look that he gave me.
I thought, “what an idiot!” Just how stupid can this generation get. How about those kids that wear “hoodies” because “Emenem,” the singer, I think, wears them. Teenagers being the same to be different.
We call it a phase. I call it, “following the crowd.” Wanting to be accepted by one’s peers. We change our ways as adults but, we too wear the “uniform of the day” to keep from being harassed at work and to be accepted and not treated as an outsider. To keep our job, we adapt.
Nature vs. nurture.! Where can we draw a line.
"Hugs"
Danielle Marie
I cannot disagree about hygiene. My spouse when we married had no bathroom in her house. The farm had a two-seater outhouse about 100 feet from the back door. It gets rather cold in the winter in S. Ohio of course, snow etc., and I was there in December 1969 on my first introduction to the family after our marriage the previous August.
In the 50’s and 60’ s around my home with a family of 4 children, we got a bath once each week. That’s right. We washed our hair 1 time per week on Saturday night as children. This went on right into high school until when I was in sports and got to use the school facilities after gym and sports events.
I think that people forget that it was not until the 70’s that all the emphasis started on the right soap, lotion, shampoos, etc. Until then, ivory and dial were the big names. Prell and Break shampoo, then a third entry, a Dandruff Shampoo made it’s entry into the market. Until then, you never saw anyone making a big deal over little flakes on dark clothing in commercials.
That is how I remember it. My point. I never felt unclean or in poor hygiene during that time. Of course I always enjoyed the idea of a daily shower in the Army and until that and high school gym, I only got a bath, no shower in the home and once a week.
People were not so pre-occupied with such matters. Now today we are flooded with the idea and the shelves are overflowing with such articles, all for the most part, using the basic same chemicals that were developed in the late 60’s in New Jersey.
In 1964 with the advent of “The Beatles,” everyone was washing there hair and wanted the fine dry look of a “Beatles” haircut, me too. That began blow dryers in the home etc. It killed the oily hair look and the likes of “Vitalis” and “Brill hair cream.” Today, kids and young men under 50, have their hair cut short and spiked. They use some form of jell to hold the hair up to make it look wet.
I am of the opinion that the women that we have been talking about are in part being effected by nature and nurture. No one has said to them, “hey, you know if you were to lose some weight, wash your hair and style it, you would look rather cute!” Something tells me they are told a great deal but not that. Something tells me that if we carefully consider the family DNA, and the nurturing that they did or did not get, that this might help better understand the way they think.
I too want to know what it is that makes them think there appearance is appealing to others. Perhaps, in their social environment it is. ????? The men they associate with may be of the same thinking and one might normally just want to avoid these people all together. So, they too may have a few questions for us Virginia. While we easily meet the current standards of hygiene, our mode of dress, as beautiful as we are, in their opinion might be of great question.
I understand your points very well. I too cannot really understand their thinking and how it is that they would go in public looking that way. Nor do I understand the young man with size 50 pants, tied with a rope around his lower abdomen so that ¾ of his underwear is showing. I guess that is a teenager thing. They look absolutely ridiculous. I saw one exit from a car last week and his pants feel down to his ankles. Oh my God did I laugh! Hilarious! If he had a gun, he would have “Capped”(killed) me with the look that he gave me.
I thought, “what an idiot!” Just how stupid can this generation get. How about those kids that wear “hoodies” because “Emenem,” the singer, I think, wears them. Teenagers being the same to be different.
We call it a phase. I call it, “following the crowd.” Wanting to be accepted by one’s peers. We change our ways as adults but, we too wear the “uniform of the day” to keep from being harassed at work and to be accepted and not treated as an outsider. To keep our job, we adapt.
Nature vs. nurture.! Where can we draw a line.
"Hugs"
Danielle Marie
Make the most of every day!
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Sidebar!!!! My first wife (now deceased) lived in Scott County Tennessee, about as in the heart of Appalachia as one can be. Her mother was one of those people who in the Bible never died, they just "went home!" That lady was as close to a Saint as any humble human could ever be. She had an out house and like the song, something about the "yellow jackets hum in the Summer and in the winter..." well, I can attest to the fact that there were a few times "it" froze before it ever hit the bottom.
Ever "pull a well?" I have and let me tell you that was one of the most tedious and difficult things I have ever done!!! I will take partial credit, however, for helping put in her indoor plumbing. I can still see the tears roll down her cheeks when she stood there and had the honor of the first flush --- and it worked!!!
end sidebar!
DNA, RNA, socio-environmental, eco-financial, global warming --- whatever, this is the 21st Century and this is America and we, you, them, us, have no responsibility to do, say, act, respond to anything. Well, we do have one responsibility ------ we have to take the responsibility to pick up the phone and call some bottom-feeding, slimy, ambulance-chasing counsellor so they can sue someone who has wronged us. Like someone who goes to McDee's, orders two cheeseburgers, announces to "hold the cheese," doesn't check the burgers, knowing he has severe reaction to dairy products, eats one and then sues for $10 million. Nah, we aren't responsible for anything except calling that law firm advertising on TV that "they care!"
As for the appearance in public, I really don't care. The reason I go to the above mentioned dining experience is, as I said, strictly for the show and I have yet to be disappointed!!!! If looking like they do is "doing their thing" and they even want to carry a sign that says, "it's all my DNA's fault", mine is looking in disbelief and wondering why, then quitely laughing my backside off -------------- this is America, and I can.
It's the old definition, "Your freedom ends where my nose begins!"
DNA on girls!!!!!!
Love ya all,
Virginia
Ever "pull a well?" I have and let me tell you that was one of the most tedious and difficult things I have ever done!!! I will take partial credit, however, for helping put in her indoor plumbing. I can still see the tears roll down her cheeks when she stood there and had the honor of the first flush --- and it worked!!!
end sidebar!
DNA, RNA, socio-environmental, eco-financial, global warming --- whatever, this is the 21st Century and this is America and we, you, them, us, have no responsibility to do, say, act, respond to anything. Well, we do have one responsibility ------ we have to take the responsibility to pick up the phone and call some bottom-feeding, slimy, ambulance-chasing counsellor so they can sue someone who has wronged us. Like someone who goes to McDee's, orders two cheeseburgers, announces to "hold the cheese," doesn't check the burgers, knowing he has severe reaction to dairy products, eats one and then sues for $10 million. Nah, we aren't responsible for anything except calling that law firm advertising on TV that "they care!"
As for the appearance in public, I really don't care. The reason I go to the above mentioned dining experience is, as I said, strictly for the show and I have yet to be disappointed!!!! If looking like they do is "doing their thing" and they even want to carry a sign that says, "it's all my DNA's fault", mine is looking in disbelief and wondering why, then quitely laughing my backside off -------------- this is America, and I can.
It's the old definition, "Your freedom ends where my nose begins!"
DNA on girls!!!!!!
Love ya all,
Virginia
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Danielle La Belle
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Hi Girls:
How to make lemon pudding. (Microwave version). "Jello Brand"
STIR mix, 1/2 cup sugar, 1/4 cup water and 2 egg yokes in 1-1/2-qt. microwaveable bowl. Stir in 2 cups water.
Microwave on HIGH about 6 minutes or until mixture comes to a full boil, stirring every 2 minutes.
You can no more separate the eggs, sugar, water and Jello mix after combining than you can identify in a human the cause of DNA/responsibility or Nature VS. Nurture.
They become so intertwined that attempting to do so would simply destroy the resulting mixture. So too, with the human result. We are the mixture and the result.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
How to make lemon pudding. (Microwave version). "Jello Brand"
STIR mix, 1/2 cup sugar, 1/4 cup water and 2 egg yokes in 1-1/2-qt. microwaveable bowl. Stir in 2 cups water.
Microwave on HIGH about 6 minutes or until mixture comes to a full boil, stirring every 2 minutes.
You can no more separate the eggs, sugar, water and Jello mix after combining than you can identify in a human the cause of DNA/responsibility or Nature VS. Nurture.
They become so intertwined that attempting to do so would simply destroy the resulting mixture. So too, with the human result. We are the mixture and the result.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
Make the most of every day!
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Sylvia H
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2 cents
Danielle and Virginia,
Just to throw in my 2 cents.
My family has many large (some obese) people on one side, and on the other side some many of less than typical stature. My upbringing and social background covers from abject rural poverty to those very high up on the urban social food chain.
I too have made the observations you have both made.
I prefer and presently live in a rural area because I find rural people to be generally much less pretentious and without the magnified expectations and cluttered thinking that goes with the competitiveness in the urban environment. They are also on the average less educated and less (often much less) secure financially (poor). If I have learned anything, it is that you have to let people be who they are. I have seen fat girls who presented with stunning appearance. Naturally good looking people who looked like hell as a rule. I always wondered how this discrepancy could be so obvious to me but not to them.
I have concluded so far that ones appearance and presentation though universally observable is not from some universal cause. Appearance and presentation originate from the mechanics of from what goes on within. There is such a wide range of combinations of DNA, social environment, general culture, and upbringing; we are just seeing the spectrum of all these variations.
Even with the simple Lemon pudding recipe, if you keep the ingredients the same but mix up the order of completion you can come up with all kinds of variations.
There are people in my own family who have no concept of beauty. Some have no musical ability. Some can’t figure out how to balance a checkbook. Some are extremely narrow minded and bigoted. I love them all despite all that. Some don’t love me back and some don’t care if I live or die. The bottom line is that they are all who they are. If I want acceptance for who I am I must also be willing to let them be who they are.
I like to emulate females. They would consider that a flaw. I don’t care. I am comfortable to be this way. Most would not be capable of accepting ANY reason for it.
When I go out enfem (which is not often) I keep the same attitude. When I went to the BE All in June it was my first time out and I got so many unsolicited positive comments about my appearance it was shocking. But I never would let on if someones appearance was less than perfect unless of course they asked. I saw many, many of us there, some of which probably looked as bad as what you have observed Virginia. And not just Cders; but GGs as well. All I can say is there appear to be some of us CDrs who do it from the outside in and some of us do it from the inside out. Its not just the look, not just the behavior, it is the peculiar combination of both in conjunction. I hope that makes sense.
There is really no main point I’m driving here, but sometimes I read something on the forum that tickles my brain into responding. Hoping not to sound to Zen-ish but everything is as it is.
Thanks for listening!!
…Live on, Live on, The answers at the end –George Harrison
Sylvia H
Just to throw in my 2 cents.
My family has many large (some obese) people on one side, and on the other side some many of less than typical stature. My upbringing and social background covers from abject rural poverty to those very high up on the urban social food chain.
I too have made the observations you have both made.
I prefer and presently live in a rural area because I find rural people to be generally much less pretentious and without the magnified expectations and cluttered thinking that goes with the competitiveness in the urban environment. They are also on the average less educated and less (often much less) secure financially (poor). If I have learned anything, it is that you have to let people be who they are. I have seen fat girls who presented with stunning appearance. Naturally good looking people who looked like hell as a rule. I always wondered how this discrepancy could be so obvious to me but not to them.
I have concluded so far that ones appearance and presentation though universally observable is not from some universal cause. Appearance and presentation originate from the mechanics of from what goes on within. There is such a wide range of combinations of DNA, social environment, general culture, and upbringing; we are just seeing the spectrum of all these variations.
Even with the simple Lemon pudding recipe, if you keep the ingredients the same but mix up the order of completion you can come up with all kinds of variations.
There are people in my own family who have no concept of beauty. Some have no musical ability. Some can’t figure out how to balance a checkbook. Some are extremely narrow minded and bigoted. I love them all despite all that. Some don’t love me back and some don’t care if I live or die. The bottom line is that they are all who they are. If I want acceptance for who I am I must also be willing to let them be who they are.
I like to emulate females. They would consider that a flaw. I don’t care. I am comfortable to be this way. Most would not be capable of accepting ANY reason for it.
When I go out enfem (which is not often) I keep the same attitude. When I went to the BE All in June it was my first time out and I got so many unsolicited positive comments about my appearance it was shocking. But I never would let on if someones appearance was less than perfect unless of course they asked. I saw many, many of us there, some of which probably looked as bad as what you have observed Virginia. And not just Cders; but GGs as well. All I can say is there appear to be some of us CDrs who do it from the outside in and some of us do it from the inside out. Its not just the look, not just the behavior, it is the peculiar combination of both in conjunction. I hope that makes sense.
There is really no main point I’m driving here, but sometimes I read something on the forum that tickles my brain into responding. Hoping not to sound to Zen-ish but everything is as it is.
Thanks for listening!!
…Live on, Live on, The answers at the end –George Harrison
Sylvia H
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Danielle La Belle
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Hi Girls:
Thank You Sylvia.
I think it is fair to say that I understand your point. I too understand Virginia's point as well. We just want to better understand why in this current culture, someone would go out in public, dressed and even perhaps unbathed (smelling), in a public establishment that serves food.
A person typically is prepared to stay a while. Not like jumping into the car before a shower after mowing the lawn and going to the quick mart for a gallon of milk to quiet the kids.
They planned to some extent their appearance at the pizza parlor. Even if it was a spur of the moment thing, one could dress with some self esteem and comb/brush their hair. Wash the face perhaps as well. I have seen what Virginia alluded to this summer with the swealtering 95+ deg and 100% humidity that we are having in Fla.
The A/C is not working on my truck so when I go somewhere in mid-day it is like traveling in an "easy-bake" oven. The one with the 150watt lightbulb that let you make little cakes as a child. But I always take care to use the appropriate powder/deoderant to help reduce any trace odors that may otherwise be present from the short 10 minute trip. Showered, shampooed and clean. I would not naturally do otherwise. We did not have a shower in our home as a child, just a bathtub for a once each week bath. That does not mean that I cannot adapt to the times as I have done of course.
So I think Virginia just wants to better understand, people that seem to have little or no self-esteem. They present themselves in a very not-too-modern way. Where have they been the past 50 years? How were they not effected by the social change that has taken place in the U.S.?
This is more than DNA I think as well. Something is going on here for some people that we do not understand. That has been my point all along girls. There are many people out there with a different point of view. That I accept. But, I also accept that there is a general understanding in our culture and the way we organizae our time and our social presentation, this is something that is well documented by people in the social science areas of academia.
Do these people live in a closet? What are we missing here? We learn from observation and study; this is an observation worth questioning not to make fun of but rather to learn from. As we would like others to learn about the TG world from us through our behavior and presentation.
And before anyone remarks that this is a forum for CD/TG matters, let me be the first to point out that, after the birds arrive at their destination, about 1000 strong now, we are bound to share different points of view other than that of just the CD/TG questions. We want to know what other people of a similar stripe are thinking. Hence all of the various topic categories that have developed the past 4 years.
We have a small community, sometimes called a "focus group" by Madison Avenue marketing majors. Here we cover the gambit of human living from the TG point of view at times and often from just ordinary humans that take an interest in being human.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
Thank You Sylvia.
I think it is fair to say that I understand your point. I too understand Virginia's point as well. We just want to better understand why in this current culture, someone would go out in public, dressed and even perhaps unbathed (smelling), in a public establishment that serves food.
A person typically is prepared to stay a while. Not like jumping into the car before a shower after mowing the lawn and going to the quick mart for a gallon of milk to quiet the kids.
They planned to some extent their appearance at the pizza parlor. Even if it was a spur of the moment thing, one could dress with some self esteem and comb/brush their hair. Wash the face perhaps as well. I have seen what Virginia alluded to this summer with the swealtering 95+ deg and 100% humidity that we are having in Fla.
The A/C is not working on my truck so when I go somewhere in mid-day it is like traveling in an "easy-bake" oven. The one with the 150watt lightbulb that let you make little cakes as a child. But I always take care to use the appropriate powder/deoderant to help reduce any trace odors that may otherwise be present from the short 10 minute trip. Showered, shampooed and clean. I would not naturally do otherwise. We did not have a shower in our home as a child, just a bathtub for a once each week bath. That does not mean that I cannot adapt to the times as I have done of course.
So I think Virginia just wants to better understand, people that seem to have little or no self-esteem. They present themselves in a very not-too-modern way. Where have they been the past 50 years? How were they not effected by the social change that has taken place in the U.S.?
This is more than DNA I think as well. Something is going on here for some people that we do not understand. That has been my point all along girls. There are many people out there with a different point of view. That I accept. But, I also accept that there is a general understanding in our culture and the way we organizae our time and our social presentation, this is something that is well documented by people in the social science areas of academia.
Do these people live in a closet? What are we missing here? We learn from observation and study; this is an observation worth questioning not to make fun of but rather to learn from. As we would like others to learn about the TG world from us through our behavior and presentation.
And before anyone remarks that this is a forum for CD/TG matters, let me be the first to point out that, after the birds arrive at their destination, about 1000 strong now, we are bound to share different points of view other than that of just the CD/TG questions. We want to know what other people of a similar stripe are thinking. Hence all of the various topic categories that have developed the past 4 years.
We have a small community, sometimes called a "focus group" by Madison Avenue marketing majors. Here we cover the gambit of human living from the TG point of view at times and often from just ordinary humans that take an interest in being human.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
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DonnaT
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I think it's not that hard to understand, given our predilections in life. Nurture aside. We are all wired differently, we all have different chemical reactions going on in the brain.Danielle La Belle wrote:Something is going on here for some people that we do not understand.
Some of those predilections lead some to believe they are fat when instead they may be thin as rails. Some can lead others to simply have no regard for appearance. Some can leave others with no social skills whatsoever. Some can lead to the fear of water and baths and such. Some can't smell themselves. Some can lead others to cross dress.
So, maybe someone has a predilection for being overweight, and lives on a very meager amount of money. Maybe they can eat out cheaper than fixing a meal at home. At least enough of a meal to satisfy their food cravings. They are going to go to places like all you can eat pizza joints and get the most for their money. Problem is, the food is nothing but fattening.
Is it DNA, a chemical imbalance, nurture, what????? We may not have all the answers, but we should be understanding.
DonnaT
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Virginia
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Very interesting, Sis!
So, if they are dirty, they perceive themselves as clean, if they are sloppily dressed, yet they perceive themselves dressed appropriately, if they perceive themselves quite yet you can hear them in the next zip code, all this is acceptable because it is what they perceive themselves to be, not the reality of what they actually are, and this in itself is acceptable because it could be a mental thing for them, so their perception is in fact their reality and with that, the rest of us see the opposite of what they perceive themselves to be. Makes sense to me -- really! The next time we go out to "people watch," I can assure you that I will look with an entirely different perception. Thanks, I think!
Surely you can't be saying that anyone who in reality does not meet "societal expectations for presentation amongst and interaction with society" is probably mentally unbalanced?
Please, I am not passing judgement, ie, Danielle, but we know that bulimia is probably a mental "disorder," right? But following the 'perception is reality' charge, then a "fat" person who perceives themselves not to be fat is not mentally challenged, they only have a different perception than other people.
The mind is such a marvelous organ!!!!
Love ya and thanks, really, I will use the "each individual has their own perception of themselves" next time I even think of critiquing someone.
Virginia
So, if they are dirty, they perceive themselves as clean, if they are sloppily dressed, yet they perceive themselves dressed appropriately, if they perceive themselves quite yet you can hear them in the next zip code, all this is acceptable because it is what they perceive themselves to be, not the reality of what they actually are, and this in itself is acceptable because it could be a mental thing for them, so their perception is in fact their reality and with that, the rest of us see the opposite of what they perceive themselves to be. Makes sense to me -- really! The next time we go out to "people watch," I can assure you that I will look with an entirely different perception. Thanks, I think!
Surely you can't be saying that anyone who in reality does not meet "societal expectations for presentation amongst and interaction with society" is probably mentally unbalanced?
Please, I am not passing judgement, ie, Danielle, but we know that bulimia is probably a mental "disorder," right? But following the 'perception is reality' charge, then a "fat" person who perceives themselves not to be fat is not mentally challenged, they only have a different perception than other people.
The mind is such a marvelous organ!!!!
Love ya and thanks, really, I will use the "each individual has their own perception of themselves" next time I even think of critiquing someone.
Virginia
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Sylvia H
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So it sounds like the issue is boiling down somewhat to self esteem and appearance as a result of that. All I can say is there are as many if not more people that I know of personally that are underdeveloped in that area today than 20 or even 30 years ago. The social changes have not changed that.
I believe self esteem is a learned behavior for the most part. If you dont have any good examples in your formative years directly or indirectly you arent going to learn it. The same goes with any other learned attributes. It also seems from my experience that once one is past a certain age, that behavior becomes fairly fixed and generally unchangeable. If that happens then one passes it on to their offspring who may or may not pass it on to theirs. My family is I think a textbook case in this. In fact most of the issues I have the greatest difficulty with revolve around this very ...uh...mechanism. Examples available on request.
Self esteem is an individual issue and causes are unique to that person. It is unfortunate for them just as it is for an adult who cant read.
Why would someone choose to go out in public that way? Youd have to ask them. But they couldnt tell you because they LACK that information.
I apologize if I seem to be rambling. This kind of issue hits rather close to home in my life struggles and it is difficult to keep my emotions out of it. There is a particularly good author who describes some of these mechanisms and behaviors rather well. James Hollis Phd. I have titles if anyone is interested.
I really appreciate all the girls here, and I often feel like I have nothing to contribute as it still feels like Im on a steep part of the learning curve. This forum has helped so much in many regards. I am finding many many answers to just as many questions from a life of 50 years of repression. Id like to share it with everyone. But it is deeply personal and prbably best kept to myself untill I find a better way to communicate.
To sum up, what you dont know can and does bite you in the butt and you can have no clue why. happens all the time.
Love,
Sylvia
I believe self esteem is a learned behavior for the most part. If you dont have any good examples in your formative years directly or indirectly you arent going to learn it. The same goes with any other learned attributes. It also seems from my experience that once one is past a certain age, that behavior becomes fairly fixed and generally unchangeable. If that happens then one passes it on to their offspring who may or may not pass it on to theirs. My family is I think a textbook case in this. In fact most of the issues I have the greatest difficulty with revolve around this very ...uh...mechanism. Examples available on request.
Self esteem is an individual issue and causes are unique to that person. It is unfortunate for them just as it is for an adult who cant read.
Why would someone choose to go out in public that way? Youd have to ask them. But they couldnt tell you because they LACK that information.
I apologize if I seem to be rambling. This kind of issue hits rather close to home in my life struggles and it is difficult to keep my emotions out of it. There is a particularly good author who describes some of these mechanisms and behaviors rather well. James Hollis Phd. I have titles if anyone is interested.
I really appreciate all the girls here, and I often feel like I have nothing to contribute as it still feels like Im on a steep part of the learning curve. This forum has helped so much in many regards. I am finding many many answers to just as many questions from a life of 50 years of repression. Id like to share it with everyone. But it is deeply personal and prbably best kept to myself untill I find a better way to communicate.
To sum up, what you dont know can and does bite you in the butt and you can have no clue why. happens all the time.
Love,
Sylvia