The Elusive TG

[Caith]

Just to throw a bit more wood (no pun intended) on this blazing fire, I'd like to opine that women aren't generally ever accused of raping men. They do, however, SEDUCE men. Frankly, I've never considered rape a sexual act as much as one of violence. It's definitely a power play, but then so is a woman's aggressive pursuit and seduction of a man. The same chase, the same result, the same power play, but two different means of achieving it, and two different terms: violence/rape, aggression/seduction. Two sides of the same coin, I'd guess.

Just a little more food for thought, documenting the stereotypes society maintains. And before anyone mentions it, I already know that 99% of sexual predators are male. It's not my intent to discuss the pathology of that crime.

[Virginia]

Sorry, I forgot what this thread was about??

Anyway, seems as of late there have been more reports of female teachers "seducing" their charges at various ages. Some charges with "contributing" and others with rape. A small % - granted but yet it exists. Is that just because they are "horny" or seek to dominate, unhappy at home, unsatisfied, curious? I have no idea. Excuse me while I page back for the topic! and no more "thrown wood!!!"

Ah, found it! "The Elusive TG." Yes we are elusive, we are for the most part stealth or attempt to be when we go out amongst the great unwashed. It would be my considered opinion that we are no more accepted now than we were 50 years ago or more. Accepted vs. tolerated if you will. It is a lot less likely that we would be physically assaulted now, or for that matter verbally assualted, but mentally assualted - yes, (stick and stones may break my bones, but thoughts can never hurt me!)

"The public" is much more aware that we exist yet for some, many, a lot we are still a curiosity when we are "read" in public. How many of us don't go out not because we may _________________ (fill in the blank for any and all negative reasons for not going out) or simply because we do not want to be read even if no one knew who we were?

Thus we can then look at those of us who do not go out for __________________ (fill in the blank for any negative reason relative to the results of "getting caught" at home). Comes the set upon question as to why we do it??? Why do we seem to have some innate, driving desire to put on some piece(s) of clothing that "society" deems to be inappropriate for our gender???

Elusive?? Yes, unless I missed someone, I don't know of any of my sisters here on this forum that dress and go out with the intent of "being read" AND that have an "in your face attitude!" Elusive? yes we are!!!

If you (we) are looking for the elusiveness to explain the why we do it as being the "elusive" aspect of our behavior - You, none of you know why, we can speculate, guess, wonder, dream, ponder, rationalize, but we ain't got a clue!!!! So we just HOPEFULLY continue to enjoy (for whatever reason suits your fancy) our own "Magical Mystery Tour."


Love you all,

Virginia

[Tekla]

I can't speak to fifty years, but its a whole lot different now then it was 25 years ago. A vast difference. People have no right to be accepted, but they do have a right to be tolerated. Such might be as good as it gets, but I see huge changes in many areas. Many things are far more open, and yes, accepting then just a few decades ago, and not just in a few places, but in more places then I would have ever imagined.

I don't go out with any intention of being read, but I'm sure it happens to the degree that people know what I am, and that is a tranny. I try hard not to be what I'm not, because I find people are more accepting of you, if you have found peace within who you are first.

To that degree, that there a lot more trannies out and about, they become less elusive all the time.

[Absaroka]

CJ I am in total agreement that rape is first and foremost an act of violence and it only incidentally involves sex. Which I thought I had addressed when I said that sex and aggression seem to get tied together with men more than women.

Actually I have known several men over the years that have been actually raped by women. Usually in their early teens. But this probably has to do with the fact that I have for 25 years belonged to a fellowship where people share all their deep dark secrets. There are so many women in that same fellowship who have been raped by men that I couldn't begin to count them.

The central point to my post is that society feels a need to control mens sexuality in all ways because we are just too scary in this area. Sort of like lions, where when male lion takes over a pride from another male lion he immediately kills all the cubs and then mates with all the female lions. And although CJ makes that point that feminizing men should make them less scary the perception is that feminine men merely have added another weapon to their arsenal.

I aslo want to emphasize that I am talking about the cultural myths, often unspoken, that underlie our society. Not neccesarily about any particular person.

Absaroka

[Azurielle]

Here's a thought for you. Take a look at a average male High School student. A large number of them are now wearing jeans and tops that are almost identical to fem jeans and tops or may really be fem jeans and tops. A lot of then are now wearing earrings and jewlery, Some are even wearing comestics on their faces. A lot of them are now metro sexual. If you include these, then the percentage of males that wear somekind of fem clothing or item will be in the order 30-40%.
Here is another thought, the subject of purses for me came up on the Today show one day. Lester Holt who hostests the Saturday version said that he carries a Man Purse.
So if you look around at men (14+) that use some form of fem items or wears a fem item, the percentage will be a lot higher than you think.

That might be true where you live, but in my province it's another story. Just wearing regular boys' briefs can get you branded as a sissy and beaten to the floor. (Happened to a friend of mine, he moved away and I haven't heard from him since.) Even though the majority of metropolitan people are rather metrosexual, those that live outside are just as closed-minded as ever.

[Anita]

CJ wrote:

But it's always been my understanding that repression and denial of erotic impulses, rather than being a sign of brutal sexualities, in fact lead (or can lead) to brutal sexualities.

Denial or suppression don't work very well. But control is a different matter, and is always being maintained by societies. A lot of the control is imposed by setting up guilt in men, so that they police themselves.

That's quite a post back there in the thread, Absaroka. I would agree with a great deal of it. I especially note you saying that true transsexual feelings are not considered as hard to understand nor as dangerous as male CD behavior, as in this quote from you:

On the other hand the truly transgendered person, a victim of hormones gone astray in the womb, is merely someone with a medical problem. As long, that is, as we can be sure that it's really a medical problem, that they really are a man in a womans body, or the other way around, and not really a man in a mans body trying to trick us into thinking they are a woman the better to prey upon us sexually.

There is a lot of suspicion of us, and part of it is because there is no logical explanation for this practice of CDing. And we have come to know all too well that sexual agendas often produce strange or irrational behavior in men. The man who's having an affair, for instance, will tell his wife all kinds of "explanations" for behavior that is suddenly not consistent or logical. And the explanations often don't make sense.

We also know that sexual attractions and fetishes are nearly impossible to explain, too. So people naturally assume that if it's related to gender, and hard to explain logically, then it must have something to do with sex.

Reading this, I see that one of the liberties I get by being out as a woman is that I no longer have to 'police' myself so thoroughly. I may still be considered a threat by some, because after all, I'm still a man. But in actual practice, both men and women no longer see me as a threat. Both genders relax around me, in ways that will never happen as long as I'm dressed as a man.